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Nintendo stock down almost 7% after the E3 showcase (down another 5.27% per Tokyo Stock Exchange)
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I guess Nintendo likes to hide valuable informations.
But at least it has the best potential for surprise ha ha.
And so many people are going to to be hit in the face when the time comes.
Investors just seem to react te same as trolls/fanboys. Without any reall thoughts/research.
No it wasn't. It's nog supposed to sell millions of console instantly and it works well for what it is.
Inner otaku... what ?
And they were right to think that way, in both cases. I think Pokemon is in a good space right now, but I think LGP/E is going to be the first mainline Pokemon game with a question mark above its head. In some ways, announcing gen 8 is giving the 'hardcore' fanbase a reason to opt out.
It don't matter. Stocks always react to immediate goings on, and the fact is, Nintendo's lineup is heavily backloaded this year. The first half has been light (pretty much remakes and reissues of Wii U, and smaller IPs like Kirby and Mario Tennis), but then they will drop the hammer with mega sellers for the holiday period and early 2019. Plus, Fortnite just arrived on Switch and honestly, even though that's nothing much to do with Nintendo, don't sneeze at that. That is a very attractive product that people will want on a portable with real controls and not just touchscreen nonsense.
Ah the good ol' "It's not AAA so it doesn't count." It's like saying the mobile market is failing because COD or Assassin's Creed isn't on there and Apple doesn't have any first party support.
Sony and MS have big 3rd party games ala RDR2 for instance. Not saying Nintendo is doomed though FYI lol.
Big surprise
This can happen when you keep releasing the same types of things things over and over again, don't offer much new and get cocky.
Typical Nintendo console (game) support
This can happen when you keep releasing the same types of things things over and over again, don't offer much new and get cocky.
Typical Nintendo console (game) support
Would honestly rather have good intentions then the stuff 3rd party's are putting out, DOOM2 (Eternal) was the only thing new that really got my attention the whole show. I liked Spider-Man too but that's been shown a bunch already, Smash Bros had me crying like a baby with how excited I am to play it.
Have to admit, I'm very disappointed in their lineup of late and going forward. We are having Wii U levels of drought here. Of course we are getting 2 games this fall. Just 2.
I would say they are far from doomed though. They will be alright.
I would say they are far from doomed though. They will be alright.
A folder system is definitely UI, save transfers would fit into UX sure
Or.. when investors can't understand what's happening. Like a lot of people here.
Yes because there's no direct betwee now and next E3 ?
They chosedto go slow on news for E3 to keep some for later (as they often do). Whether it's a good or bad idea, it's as it is.
Ehhh, they have stuff like RDR 2 coming out, and Sony at least showed what their playerbase will look foward to in 2019.
Nintendo's lineup is good, but its not as fantastic as people expected with "20m switches sold" expectations.
I'm guessing it's because they didn't mention any mobile games. Investors only care about mobile.
This is why Nintendo needs third party.
It's pretty simple.
To keep up with the usual customers wishes for game releases on a video game console, nintendo either needs to:
1) have more 3rd party releases.
Or
2) make more games themselves.
All the mental gymnastics in the world can't deny these facts. If they dont, switch will be just a slightly more successful wii u.
Mind you, I think Nintendo is capable of both of those, they just need to stop acting like they dont need to compete. They need to keep up their end of the bargain that was supposed to be more games being produced by merging their handheld and console development pipelines.
I don't get it
People are bitching at Sony for showing off the same games for the last 3 years and now you want Nintendo to do the same?
Yall really don't know what you want
Nintendo's strategy of the NOW is important
Nobody is saying it's some effortless task. The fact that it is not easy is irrelevant.
Sony and ms don't have to develop/publish as many games because they have tons of third parties constantly releasing games of the same general size and features of Sony and ms's own publications, the vast majority of which, do not make it to switch.
If they insist on having a platform that the vast majority of third parties can't easily bring their top gane products too, if they insist on doing it with their own catalog, they need to have an actual fucking catalog, not a two page flyer.
They need to seriously expand their throughout to support their console with a comparable amount of entertainment.
That's kind of the point. Nintendo receives anecdotal support from third parties, and their first party output cannot compensate for that; and they are not really trying to, they haven't purchased a studio in years.
So yes, the videogame world seems to be moving too fast for Nintendo and it really sucks, because the switch is a great hardware and I don't imagine myself playing on anything else than an hybrid machine now that I've tried it.
If you can name enough people doing both of these here that you think there's a significant population doing that, alright, otherwise this is a daft strawman.
Either way; a fair number of people aren't happy with Nintendo's strategy "now", so they wanted something different.
Big, noteworthy games being few and far between for a Nintendo system? The company being full of itself on fast success?
Okay so the real problem you have is that you don't like the Pokemon game because its more casual and you had the unrealistic expectations of a GC virtual console after we already found out the virtual console as we knew it was dead. Got it. Also suggesting they were unprepared after delivering both Zelda and Mario in year 1 and a new Smash and Pokemon(even if you don't personally like it) in year 2 is hands downs one of the worst takes I have ever seen on this board or the old boards.
We knew nothing about Smash outside of BotW Link, Mario, and the Inklings coming to it. We had no idea it was going to have EVERY character, most stages, the new characters, the echo characters, the changes to almost every character, ect. No one predicted a Smash game like this, a Smash game that didn't cut any characters and brought back every single one that had ever been in the series? No. No one called that and that is a huge deal to Smash fans.
Look at their actual output and come back to us.
Yeah which then rebounded
I didn't realise you needed to buy studios in order to be in the video game world.
They didn't have Destiny, COD: WWII and the like last year either, so
They have third party support though. Its not all the major triple AAA titles, but it's not as if Nintendo first party titles are the only titles releasing on the platform. Anyways I don't think it's always entirely up to Nintendo. If EA says they're not really looking to do much on the Switch then I doubt there's a lot Nintendo they can actually do
Yes. It is not enough. You really think 1 or 2 big titles a year is enough? Its fine for MS / Sony precisely because they have third parties on board releasing AAA titles each month. For sure Nintendo maximise their resources and put out a lot but its not enough to support a system when they have no meaningful 3rd party support.
Its only going to get worse going forward as devs move onto PS5 / Xbox 3 - a console manufacturer with no third party AAA support cannot make enough games of quality and ambition to support a system on its own UNLESSS they start to expand. Its been obvious for years now that they can't rely on 3rd parties but they are putting no investment into their own resources.
Games are taking more and more people to develop - Nintendo is not growing its dev base so its naturally going to mean less games coming out. A switch game is easily going to take double the resources of a 3ds title but they have expanded zero.
Honestly, if they don't grow or make some acquisitions in 5-10 years I really worry where they will be at
its cool, I am sure that by 2025 we will have a youtube app. #nextgen
Microsoft and Sony have tons of high quality third party support. I don't care who makes the game, what matter is where it releases and whether it's good or not. Overall, Microsoft and Sony have a better lineup for 2018. At least, that's probably gonna be the opinion of most people including me.
Nintendo said they'd show their 2019 output at a later date, right? Obviously that means a Direct, but I wonder when that'll be. August? November? January?
And I wonder if after their stock drop and the lackluster response to their presentation (from the vocal minority, let's be honest) if they'll push said Direct up now.
And I wonder if after their stock drop and the lackluster response to their presentation (from the vocal minority, let's be honest) if they'll push said Direct up now.
No. The real problem is that the Switch has a very poor software lineup. Combine this with Nintendo's recent history of long droughts and it's not promising.
I didn't have an "expectation" of a GC virtual console. It was just something I mentioned that could have helped them dampen some of the impact of their poor lineup.
I don't see how it's a bad take to suggest they were unprepared after Year 1. They delivered a Zelda game that they originally told us they were going to deliver on Wii U years ago, they finally delivered it on Switch after having one of the worst software lineups ever on Wii U. So yeah, the Switch directly benefited from their gross mishandling of the Wii U software.
Nintendo dropped the ball to a legendary degree this year.
Coming from last year, by now we had Zelda, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (admittedly a port, but one with plenty of extra content), and Arms. After that Splatoon 2 was right around the corner, and Mario + Rabbids, Fire Emblem Warriors, Mario Odyssey, and Xenoblade 2 filled out the rest of the year. That's a damn solid lineup.
In comparison, this year has been hot garbage. Nintendo has published one original game on Switch this year in Kirby. One. The rest is Wii U ports (most with little to no new content) and Labo, which has done nothing of note, sales-wise.
After E3? Both "big" Nintendo releases are stuffed into the last two months of the year, with one of them expressly designed to be a super simple and easy entry point game (Pokemon). Two previous 2018 games that could have helped fill in the gaps (Fire Emblem and Yoshi) were delayed, with Yoshi not even being at E3 in any form. Very, very little meaningful third party support, aside from Octopath. Fortnite too I suppose, but that's already been on everything else, including phones.
2019 will be better. But I think people are underestimating how much damage the Switch will take from a nearly empty 10 months of 2018, especially after a record setting first year. When your console heavily relies on first party output, and the biggest release you have for the year until November is Mario Tennis of all things, you have a big software problem.
Coming from last year, by now we had Zelda, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (admittedly a port, but one with plenty of extra content), and Arms. After that Splatoon 2 was right around the corner, and Mario + Rabbids, Fire Emblem Warriors, Mario Odyssey, and Xenoblade 2 filled out the rest of the year. That's a damn solid lineup.
In comparison, this year has been hot garbage. Nintendo has published one original game on Switch this year in Kirby. One. The rest is Wii U ports (most with little to no new content) and Labo, which has done nothing of note, sales-wise.
After E3? Both "big" Nintendo releases are stuffed into the last two months of the year, with one of them expressly designed to be a super simple and easy entry point game (Pokemon). Two previous 2018 games that could have helped fill in the gaps (Fire Emblem and Yoshi) were delayed, with Yoshi not even being at E3 in any form. Very, very little meaningful third party support, aside from Octopath. Fortnite too I suppose, but that's already been on everything else, including phones.
2019 will be better. But I think people are underestimating how much damage the Switch will take from a nearly empty 10 months of 2018, especially after a record setting first year. When your console heavily relies on first party output, and the biggest release you have for the year until November is Mario Tennis of all things, you have a big software problem.
Time travel back with me to the year 2008...
Nintendo has a had a Smash hit with Wii
crushing the competition in the 2006-2007 holiday time periods.
Being unable to understand why The Wii was so successful it's first two years (hint: great games) They give us an E3 filled with crap like Wii music and Metroid Other M
The core gamers start to get frosty because they want a big epic adventure like Twilight Princess
Nintendo doesn't care. Their designers are game gods and only work on what they want.
They put the b team on NSMBWii,
the power of 2D Mario releasing 2009 temporarily halts the Wii's momentum from spiraling downward
but it is really too late. Arrogant, cocky Nintendo begins to think they can do no wrong and 3DS and Wii U are born.
I see dangerous a historical precedent here. They had better get off their ass and make some great games. I don't even know if 2D Mario can save them this time.
Nintendo has a had a Smash hit with Wii
crushing the competition in the 2006-2007 holiday time periods.
Being unable to understand why The Wii was so successful it's first two years (hint: great games) They give us an E3 filled with crap like Wii music and Metroid Other M
The core gamers start to get frosty because they want a big epic adventure like Twilight Princess
Nintendo doesn't care. Their designers are game gods and only work on what they want.
They put the b team on NSMBWii,
the power of 2D Mario releasing 2009 temporarily halts the Wii's momentum from spiraling downward
but it is really too late. Arrogant, cocky Nintendo begins to think they can do no wrong and 3DS and Wii U are born.
I see dangerous a historical precedent here. They had better get off their ass and make some great games. I don't even know if 2D Mario can save them this time.
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Im pretty sure last year was the PS4s best year (right?).
Last year Ninty had like 1 big game per month, diffirent situations.
I don't see a problem with Nintendo's showing at all. To me it once again comes off as ERA thinking that hardcore gaming enthusiasts are Nintendo's main audience and seeing things from their perspective rather than the grand scheme.
So you don't like Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee because it isn't a "real" pokemon game, well the casual audience ate up Pokemon Go and they're gonna love that game. You don't like Labo, guess what that isn't aimed at guys in their 20s and 30s, it's aimed at kids. So you think Smash Ultimate is Smash 4.5 and you don't care about it, well believe it or not, not everyone has played every smash game and even less people played Smash Wii U than you think. Same for the whole "too many Wii U ports" arguement, not many casuals played Wii U games and this is their chance to play them.
On the flip side, not showing off Prime 4 or Bayonetta 3 isn't the death knell for the presentation. Would you rather Nintendo just not reveal them at all before so you could keep bitching on ERA about "OMG WHY HASN'T NINTENDO MADE PRIME 4 SAMUS IS DEAD", or would you rather they show off the game in a vastly incomplete state just so you could see it and whine "OMG THIS GAME LOOKS LIKE SHIT SAMUS IS DEAD". Not showing Prime 4 yet because it isn't ready is the best case scenario.
Bottom line, hardcore gamers need to learn they are not the be all and end all of Nintendo's success, and that you, the 20 to 30 year old hardcore nintendo fan who thinks Prime 4 is going to be the second coming of jesus and thinks Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee is a waste of time and money, is the 1% of the Nintendo fanbase. All those little kiddies and the soccer moms who eat up Pokemon products like candy mean more to Nintendo's bottom line than you do. It's a hard pill to swallow, but you need to take it.
So you don't like Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee because it isn't a "real" pokemon game, well the casual audience ate up Pokemon Go and they're gonna love that game. You don't like Labo, guess what that isn't aimed at guys in their 20s and 30s, it's aimed at kids. So you think Smash Ultimate is Smash 4.5 and you don't care about it, well believe it or not, not everyone has played every smash game and even less people played Smash Wii U than you think. Same for the whole "too many Wii U ports" arguement, not many casuals played Wii U games and this is their chance to play them.
On the flip side, not showing off Prime 4 or Bayonetta 3 isn't the death knell for the presentation. Would you rather Nintendo just not reveal them at all before so you could keep bitching on ERA about "OMG WHY HASN'T NINTENDO MADE PRIME 4 SAMUS IS DEAD", or would you rather they show off the game in a vastly incomplete state just so you could see it and whine "OMG THIS GAME LOOKS LIKE SHIT SAMUS IS DEAD". Not showing Prime 4 yet because it isn't ready is the best case scenario.
Bottom line, hardcore gamers need to learn they are not the be all and end all of Nintendo's success, and that you, the 20 to 30 year old hardcore nintendo fan who thinks Prime 4 is going to be the second coming of jesus and thinks Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee is a waste of time and money, is the 1% of the Nintendo fanbase. All those little kiddies and the soccer moms who eat up Pokemon products like candy mean more to Nintendo's bottom line than you do. It's a hard pill to swallow, but you need to take it.
And ok were back. Nowhere near enough to match all the third parties putting content on platforms like ps4/xbone1.
It's almost like one single company can't match lots of companies each of which have 2x or more employees making content.
Wow. That was really fast and easy.
This thread is shocking and shows why a lot of people here are out of touch with the wider market. Nintendo will hit the 20MM number because that is for Fiscal Year 2019, not calendar year 2018. Pokémon, Smash and Fire Emblem will get them there.
I need someone to explain to me how showing a logo with a 2019 date next to it will do something for 2018 sales. Hell, an argument could be made that more people are talking about Fortnite on Switch than any other E3 game. Something everyone here knew would happen last week.
BTW, expect Nintendo to dump huge marketing dollars into Fortnite and trying to make it THE Fortnite console. Also, a bundle will be coming for sure in time for the holidays that will have sales associated with it.
I need someone to explain to me how showing a logo with a 2019 date next to it will do something for 2018 sales. Hell, an argument could be made that more people are talking about Fortnite on Switch than any other E3 game. Something everyone here knew would happen last week.
BTW, expect Nintendo to dump huge marketing dollars into Fortnite and trying to make it THE Fortnite console. Also, a bundle will be coming for sure in time for the holidays that will have sales associated with it.
The "more 3rd party releases" goes both ways, you know? I'd like to argue that Nintendo actively tried for some games, like Dark Souls Remastered, even went along with an Amiibo and seemingly with some marketing stuff, since we first got the announcement in a Direct. And yet, it's Nintendo that got the short stick again in terms of delays. I know, many games are just not working, like Red Dead, or Witcher 3, and that sometimes it's too late to add another platform version to the development, but let's not pass on that many pubs actively need to get a whole shitstorm in order to move on with some stuff, Okami HD and Mega Man Archives come to mind immediately.
About developing more games, sure, but for that they'd need more studios (of which devs can just jump out after a buyout), more internal teams and it would still need time. If you see how understaffed Monolith Soft was in order to help out on BotW during Xenoblade 2 development.
And btw. didn't the Switch pass the Wii U worldwide numbers in under a year? So that slightly part holds only value if the system stops selling now.
This!
I was so close buying a switch last year. But when there wasnt any new interesting titles getting announced for 2018, I personally felt like it was a warning sign.
And here we are. They didn't show anything at e3 (well maybe the mech game) that made me feel like getting a switch.
IMO they need to step it up. But maybe thats just me. Maybe pokemon and smash will sell a lot of consoles... I doubt it though.
All this tells me is that investors have no clue how huge Smash and Pokemon are. They're both literally double the size of 3D Mario and especially 3D Zelda in terms of impact.
If they sold some 15 million last year, yeah there isn't a single doubt they're rocketing past 20 this year.
If they sold some 15 million last year, yeah there isn't a single doubt they're rocketing past 20 this year.
Their 2018 output is not even yet done lol.
Remember doom last year ?
September direct will add stuff.
You doubt it ?
Let me tell you it's not even a question, at least for smash. It's going to sell. Hardware will most likely sell more during this holiday than the previous one.
Worst case Pokemon will do "ok enough"
For me it's not so much that looking back now, showing 2019 titles would've been a good move. Looking back on yesterday, I think announcing a few other things would've helped balance out their presentation. Easy things like:
-NES Joy Cons that come with a code to download a bunch of NES games
-SNES Joy Cons that do the same but for SNES
(these could basically be re-releases of the mini but for even more money cuz they'd be joycons)
-A few more Wii U Ports because despite the bitching about ports, they never hurt anybody and all they do is sell lol
-Hell, maybe even a few 3DS Ports because that'd be cool (Link Between Worlds HD? Who wouldn't buy that?)
-Revamp and additions to the UI of the system, and perhaps introduction of apps like Netflix, YouTube, etc.
-More information on the online system and how classic games online will be (even a concept would be fine)
There are a few moves that Nintendo could seemingly easily pull off that would've been crowd-pleasers, but for whatever reason they're not. Is it that they don't care? They don't realize? Or that they really DO weigh all of these things out and somehow come to the conclusion that there are better ways to be even more profitable?
-NES Joy Cons that come with a code to download a bunch of NES games
-SNES Joy Cons that do the same but for SNES
(these could basically be re-releases of the mini but for even more money cuz they'd be joycons)
-A few more Wii U Ports because despite the bitching about ports, they never hurt anybody and all they do is sell lol
-Hell, maybe even a few 3DS Ports because that'd be cool (Link Between Worlds HD? Who wouldn't buy that?)
-Revamp and additions to the UI of the system, and perhaps introduction of apps like Netflix, YouTube, etc.
-More information on the online system and how classic games online will be (even a concept would be fine)
There are a few moves that Nintendo could seemingly easily pull off that would've been crowd-pleasers, but for whatever reason they're not. Is it that they don't care? They don't realize? Or that they really DO weigh all of these things out and somehow come to the conclusion that there are better ways to be even more profitable?
When you include Ys in your lineup for "big releases", you know things are fucked up.
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