Oh, so it's just a more "convenient" version of SCV's destruction.
Physics-based battle damage needs to be a thing.
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Dead or Alive 6 Discussion Thread - Roster, Stages, DLC, etc
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Physics-based battle damage needs to be a thing.
That was before E3. :(
Tag mode needs to be included!
Team Battle is in the game which means the characters can enter and leave mid-battle so add tag mode Team NINJA, please!
Also seems like the DoAXVV characters were designed by TN, so they probably have the rights too, more info:
https://www.dualshockers.com/dead-alive-6-wont-feature-new-girls-dead-alive-xtreme-venus-vacation/
Game has a really great character select process, love it.
Characters so far look amazing, especially Helena, just waiting on my girl Tina to get revealed.
Characters so far look amazing, especially Helena, just waiting on my girl Tina to get revealed.
Thanks for the clarification.
While I liked them, they never looked like they'd fit in a fighting game and were too much of an archetype like Honoka. I really don't mind they're not in, but I wonder what will be the new characters (since it's iten confirmed 6 will get new ones).
You know what I think? There should be as much bulge jiggle as people are comfortable with there being breast jiggle.
That's not what I was getting at. I was asking if people didn't even consider some kind of middle ground, instead of jumping to the illogical conclusion that "OMG" would be replaced with literally no movement at all (which would look really weird).
That's not what I was getting at. I was asking if people didn't even consider some kind of middle ground, instead of jumping to the illogical conclusion that "OMG" would be replaced with literally no movement at all (which would look really weird).
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No one expected Omg. It was a gimmick. I expected DoA5's default bounce or a bit less of that. They revealed the game talked about toned down fanservice and showed a game with zero jiggle.
If DoA5 default was too much for their approach with 6 then yes for a second I believed they might go all the way to none before adding it back due to backlash
Sucks that we have to wait for evo to see some competent play. Really curious how break hold will be received. A hold, even if it costs gauge, that works for all directions and makes it even easier for the opponent to get out of your offense doesn't exactly fix the major complaints about DoA when people hate too much holding and lack of guaranteed damage
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Wait, there's no sidestep?
I'm not buying a 3d fighter without sidestepping, hilarious if so lol.
I'm not buying a 3d fighter without sidestepping, hilarious if so lol.
No, that's what they said, there is just nothing in this build at the moment. But it'll be in. It's like how in 5 you got the "off" setting.
Game still has the 8-way run 3d movement of course but the real sidestep that was added in 5 has been replaced by a sidestep attack.
Yeah, I dug Tamaki's look myself. But hey, I this means they are focusing on getting the right characters in first then by all means.
Yeah that was my bad, I reread what you wrote and I definitely misread it the first time.
https://www.gameinformer.com/e3-201...-on-de-emphasizing-the-sexiness-of-the-series
Tempted to make a thread about this (+the twitch one) to calm some people...
Tempted to make a thread about this (+the twitch one) to calm some people...
Same it looks like its just lip service to the media whove completely lapped it up without question.
That said im fine with the sexiness, because thats whats unique about DOA, as long as it doesnt get out of hand. I like the art style now, and the costumes so far look really great.
Here's more gameplay. I haven't seen anything regarding changes to the Hold system yet, but I haven't seen anyone Hold mid-combo either.
But they have, haven't they? They almost talk about gameplay first, and just answer the questions about T&A if the interviewer brings it up. All the talk about outfits and T&A are from "fans" who probably only played Core Fighters, and gaming news bloggers.
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Imo Team Ninja does terrible marketing for the DOA series. Turning DOA5LR and DOAX into soft porn (no wonder they have to dial it down now as they can hardly dial it up anymore, lol), then the NEC disaster, now this disaster with the weird half of social media freaking out and planning to boycott the game. This all could've been handled differently without worrying, angering or splitting their community, which is already smaller than that of their direct rivals: Tekken and Soul Calibur.
Both of those characters are an essential part of the lore since they have connections to the Ninja Gaiden series (being them a couple of those games) and Ryu Hayabusa himself, so it's a safe bet to assume they will be in this game also.
To be upfront, as someone who does like sexy DoA, had they showed a demo with just a little jiggle and a slightly more provocative outfit for either Kasumi or Helena, then I'd generally be pacified. As it stands, I'm left to wonder whether I have to wait for a Last Round-style release or pass entirely, because I'm not the type to splurge on DLC outfits.
No? Haven't seen them explain why there's a 4 way hold under the timer anywhere. Haven't seen them explain the mindset behind the meter usage other than comparing it to overwatch. Haven't seen them talk about any changes to the stun system, if any, other than saying the "core of the game" is DoA. Haven't seen them clarify if sidesteps are removed and if so, why. Haven't seen them explain how sidestep moves work. Haven't seen them explain what a fatal stun is (or whatever it's called). If you stun somebody with a regular critical stun, and then do a fatal stun, is it different? It looks like doing a move with the S button in a juggle instantly grounds the person. What's that about?
They've given far more breadth and depth to the answers about T & A than they have anything regarding gameplay.
Edit: About 1:50, helena is sidewalking and sidesteps Kasumi's 6K, but the next move immediately tracks her. Looks pretty much like the way sidesteps work in DoA5.
I'm absolutely fine with the sexiness, I just don't want things like the Venus or women just wearing a towel and swimsuit bottoms in the fighting games. Keep it on DoAX. That they're spending so much time talking about this and NOT talking about the changes to the gameplay of the sequel says it all to me about the direction of the game.
It took them 3 days to walk it back on the sexiness comments. /shrug
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I hope that Rachel makes it in, she's my favorite playable female from NG and she wasn't in NG3:RE so at the very least I hope that they include her to the roster. I honestly was going to drop DOA5 but bought Ultimate because of her and now this is the only fighting game I play.
Yeah. Letting IGN handle the reveal in the first place and letting that article speak for the game when it was announced was bad enough then them being so adamant about cool and mature while tip toeing around the fanservice stuff. And now at the end of the day they still talked about it anyway. Jiggle straight up confirmed and all the fanservice outfit discussion and statements are very reminicent of early doa5 marketing and kinda confirmed aswell.
They could have confirmed these things straight away and then focus on the more serious approach and gameplay all e3.
Really hope Rachel is back awell and hopefully with a expanded moveset
Not as much but there should be some. Let the girls get some beefcake while we get our cheesecake.
People wonder why DoA isn't taken seriously while interviewers have to spend most of the interview talking about dumb shit like that. If it had a good rap, this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
Though I've commented on it before, the way I looked at it with Kasumi's outfit was:
It's not particularly sexy from my perspective. She had a similar full bodysuit with a visor in 5 that I'd say looked much better on her, and it didn't have heels either. A superhero-themed DLC outfit was made along similar, but not exactly the same lines, and that too was much better (though that one did have heels, they were also thicker than what her 6 default has).
EDIT: It's like the 6 default is geared toward practicality, but at the same time it isn't. There's things like the bits of lacquered armor along the body and around her neck, as well as the wraps around her forearms that contribute to the "practical, but not sexy" view, but then for some reason they give her those tiny heels that seem counterintuitive to what they were going for with this serious makeover.
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I would assume if she's in it, her design is changed a bit.
Because this...
... Yeah, that's bad.
I'm okay with Team Ninja changing Rachels default costume as long as they dont mess with her hair and face. She looks fantastic in 5 imo.
If the game really is going for this "cooler," more "natural," and less sexualized vibe, I'd rather they stay away from characters like Rachel. There's plenty of existing DoA characters that can be more naturally molded into their current ideal. I'd rather not see Rachel downsized and purposefully covered-up.
Yeah, although I have grown to like it at the beginning the thing I liked about Rachel was how she played in NGS. I know A LOT of people hate playing as her but to me she was better that Hayabusa (only in 1, in 2 I prefer Hayabusa), I loved that she was a "grapple" character.I would assume if she's in it, her design is changed a bit.
Because this...
... Yeah, that's bad.
They've talked way more about the gameplay though. Most interviews are also about that, and there's nearly no questions about the T&A.
The issue is how some "fans" bring attention to that.
edit: btw, they got 4 "best E3 fighting game" awards today.
I'm just saying that they've tried to talk more about gameplay than fanservice, which they have. There'san interviewthat talks a little bit more about the new gameplay mechanics, but I guess we're going to have to wait until EVO for better and more details. A vast majority of these publications doing articles on DOA6 right now don't really have anyone that cares about the game enough to go in-depth into the mechanics of the game.
Absolutely not. Bulges are not at all directly comparable to breasts and a focus on them in any way would be as perverse as showing camel toe.
They will likely do male swimsuits again even if I hear they were one of the worst selling out of all the DLC costumes though.
That said, even if this is on a different graphics engine than DOAX3 I wonder if any of their thigh and butt jiggle tech will come over here. It would be interesting to see them do an overweight character as long as they are not done in a jokey way.
Momiji will likely be there day one considering how popular she is and how much Team Ninja likes her. Rachel will probably come much later sadly.
Both felt a little wonky/unfinished in DOA5 IMO so I hope they refine their movelists to some extent.
Yes, they are. People focus on them the way they focus on breasts. To imply that people who are attracted to men view bulges in the same way people who are attracted to women view camel toes is just a dishonest argument.
Also, butt jiggle for male butts. And camera angles and poses that highlight the butts. Because that's how female characters have been treated so far. I'm glad they're moving away from this, all I'm saying that if they do cave in then there's still work to be done before it's equal. The fact that there are less people ogling the male characters as opposed to the female ones is pretty irrelevant.
But really, my point is that a lot of guys don't see the issue with objectifying women but as soon as male characters are objectified beyond simply being shirtless they get very uncomfortable.
This discussion has been had countless times on multiple forums over several years.
Is it really on topic when it's not really about the game itself, and when Team Ninja themselves have shown they're toning down the difficulty? At least everyone is getting punched in the face I guess...
Also made another thread as said earlier to separate a bit those discussions.
Is it really on topic when it's not really about the game itself, and when Team Ninja themselves have shown they're toning down the difficulty? At least everyone is getting punched in the face I guess...
Also made another thread as said earlier to separate a bit those discussions.
You're right, but people keep bringing up how disappointed they are by the toned down fan service. I can't help by take issue with the way in which some choose to voice their opinions regarding this matter though (not necessarily talking about people on this forum, but basing this on reactions from all over the Internet). Fan service isn't necessarily bad, but it's very telling when people who seem to feel like there should be no limit on just how much the female characters are objectified get uncomfortable when you start about portraying male characters in a similar fashion. It reeks of misogyny and should be called out. And to be fair to Team Ninja, I think they've actually done a decent job trying to recognise the importance of being an equal opportunity offender with the previous game, offering at least some kind of fan service DLC for the male characters too (even if it was nowhere near being 50/50). The fact that they're quick to add "not just the female characters, the male ones as well" when talking about attractiveness in interviews for this new game tells me that they're actually recognising that this isn't just a "boys' club" video game, with or without fan service.
Here's the clothing damage
Looks kinda excessive for strong ass punches and kicks, but eh.
Looks kinda excessive for strong ass punches and kicks, but eh.
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Yeah...that clothes damage looks more like someone was playing around with the Photoshop erase tool. I've never been a huge fan of torn outfits and, assuming the option is available, is probably something I'd turn off.
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Hm...not a fan to be honest. I won't complain if we are able to turn this off in the settings, which is likely the case, but if it's not possible: Please no, that looks bad. More as if a colony of rats attacked her, lol.
Really you gonna talk about cool and serious but then have the clothing damage be the same weird parts being destroyed as it was in DoA5. Atleast in DoA5 your whole clothes just kinda exploded reminding you of fanservice heavy animes and given the outfits that had it it was somewhat fitting but now in 6 it looks like the clothes are made out of a solid hard material where part of it just crumbled off your body
I was expecting cuts and clothing looking worn down, while harder parts like armguards would have cracks.
I was expecting cuts and clothing looking worn down, while harder parts like armguards would have cracks.
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Neat. Wonder how extensive it will be. Doubt it will be as excessive as Soul Calibur if TN is actually serious with their current plan.