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Nintendo stock down almost 7% after the E3 showcase (down another 5.27% per Tokyo Stock Exchange)
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Yeah people need to stop comparing Nintendo to Sony and Microsoft. There's not enough room for another high end graphical console. It needs Nintendo doing Nintendo things, the things the others can't do.
Sony and Microsoft are Burger King and McDonald's. Basically dishing out the same stuff with slightly different flavour.
Nintendo is KFC with the secret ingredient Chicken that the other two cany copy. Stop asking them to make beef burgers lmao. They're not about that.
Fix what? The stock is already going back up, and Nintendo doesn't care to appease fickle investor's. Stock value means very little to a company sitting on the highest cash reserves in all of Japan. Nintendo has a Direct format where they slowly drip feed announcements all year (instead of blowing their two year wad at E3) and they will stick to it no matter what shareholders do.
Frustrating for E3 Nintendo fans? Absolutely. An issue Nintendo feels compelled to change? Absolutely not.
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It's up again after all of it as expected. The investors aren't disappointed anymore, I think, if we go by what was said her.
And then it'll go down and up because it's always like that. Just look at EA stock last year and how it got down during BF2 controversy and weeks later it was up again.
Yup, and then later people will complain that something is showed too soon like FF7R, Kingdom hearts 3, Beyond god and evil, Cyberpunk 2077 and so many titles in the past...
It's up again after all of it as expected. The investors aren't disappointed anymore, I think, if we go by what was said her.
And then it'll go down and up because it's always like that. Just look at EA stock last year and how it got down during BF2 controversy and weeks later it was up again.
Yup, and then later people will complain that something is showed too soon like FF7R, Kingdom hearts 3, Beyond god and evil, Cyberpunk 2077 and so many titles in the past...
he said that it's not a port, which isn't. Pokémon go wasn't even made by gamefreak while this one is made. It's a mainline title with some changes for new players and aesthetic/features of Pokémon go.
Mario Kart 64 is related to Mario 64, it's still not a port of it. Do you know what a port is?
There is a difference between being related to and being a port. It's not a port.
And all Nintendo are doing are selling a Nvida shield with a Nintendo badge on it. Its not Ms with the issues it's Nintendo. Not great 3rd party support and less In House titles than MS and most endless sequels to boot
SOny and MS would have similar stick
Nintendo is doing just fine....it might not be good enough for you or other people expecting PS4/XBO type of lineup - but they are fine. They actually have plenty of 3rdParty support - just not the AAA ones you keep focusing on.
Nintendo is doing just fine....it might not be good enough for you or other people expecting PS4/XBO type of lineup - but they are fine. They actually have plenty of 3rdParty support - just not the AAA ones you keep focusing on.
Well don't expect 3rd parties to support the Switch then, when it's just a tablet . Also Nintendo have had plenty of time, it's not MS with the issues but Nintendo. its been the case since the N64: Lacking 3rd party support, endless sequels and where Nintendo In house teams can just about make a handful of games every 3 years.
Obviously they aren't, or there wouldn't be so many people complaining about it. If you are a platform holder it is not good enough to just make games for a narrow audience and say, if you don't like this narrow slice of game types fuck off, just sell your switch.
Nintendo has historically had serious content throughput problems since the n64.
Yet they are still here, so it's not like they need message board cheerleaders fielding pr for their fuck ups.
Maybe? If you just want yet another system with the same games on it.
Yes it's nice having shit like doom 2016 on the go.
But I think a lot of people's problems aren't that they don't want the kind of games the switch has, but the switch doesn't have enough games of the kinds of games they want.
For example if you aren't a fan of a specific kind of game right now, like multiplayer, you are looking at 1 or 2 titles a fucking year that might interest you.
That's unacceptable.
If Nintendo can't count on third parties (they cant) and they have the financial resources (they do, they are sitting on billions in liquid cash ready to go) they need to make enough content to pick up the slack.
If people just wanted entirely the same shit as ps4/xbone they wouldn't be complaining, theyd just get a ps4 or xbone. They want the kind of shit you get from a Nintendo console. They just aren't getting it. And when they DO finally get the kind of games they want it's like 1 or 2 games of the variety they are looking for, for like, 5 years, the shits ridiculous.
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I don't think they got great 3rd party support from the lesser big budget titles... Even the One is getting NieR now. Its not been a great showing by Nintendo.
Smash Bros. and Pokemon are for a "narrow" audience now ? Suuure.
And yeah people complaining about something on the internet always means that something is "really off"...especially on videogame board.
Everyone bitching here will go back to fanboy mode on the next Direct when something like Prime 4 or Bayonetta gets shown. But sure lets downplay Pokemon as something with a very limited audience...
Where did i say the words limited audience?
Do not put words in my mouth so you can run away with a bullshit made up argument.
And seriously? Even if you DID like those Two specific game types, whoopdiefucking do Two fuckin games for the whole year!!!
Nothing to complain about here!
Holy crap dude. Seriously.
I thought that with the huge success of the Switch, the usual haters wouldn't resort to the "it should be a third power PC-box" for a long time but guess I was wrong.
It's almost like that successful system doesn't have the content throughput a successful system like that should have, and the roadmap of the next year really nailed that point home.
But sure fanboys and haters.
Nintendo already have more than 10 published titles in the year just in Switch while MS have only 3 for the entire year. Not sure about it.
And yes, Nintendo have endless sequels to boot because there's studios exactly for that like hal and IS, because those franchises sell, there's many fans of those franchises who will complain if they're not made and because of that it's not all the time that those studio/production groups in EPD can do new ones.
Oh, and this year Sushi Striker was a new IP.
You really have no idea what you're talking about. Nintendo is one of the companies that publish more titles every year. And while they do sequels (franchises exist for a reason, if something is there for such time, it's worth it and the entire industry does it), they also do many new IP as well with some becoming new franchises, others doing well and others not so much as it happens with new ones.
Hmm I wonder how it could be successful if it doesn't have what it takes to be successful.
Could it be that...it actually have ?
Maybe because it launched with a diverse lineup of killer shit, which has dried out like a prune Into Nintendo's typical drought schedule?
How does maintaining momentum work?
As much as the "hardcore" doesn't like to admit it, most third parties don't actually care about power unless they're targeting AAA scope. Obviously the Switch isn't going to get the demanding AAA games, but there's still a lot of content that can be released for it by third parties. We've reached a period where graphics are more and more giving diminishing returns, and most consumers these days aren't actively seeking the most graphically intensive games. Which is why publishers and platform holders have turned to less costly releases such as indie games and remasters to fill in the release gaps.
As far as the Switch is concerned. Third parties were completely caught off guard by its surprise success, and are now scrambling to get content onto it. We won't be seeing this come to fruition until next year. In terms of first party, Nintendo's still maintaining a steady release of games for it, Wii U ports or not. I mean, if this is what a "Switch drought" looks like, then it's already leagues ahead of past Nintendo systems. You also have to keep in mind Nintendo's handheld developers, as they were still working on 3DS games when the Switch released, now many of them are starting to transition to the Switch. Next year is also when more of their projects like Fire Emblem and the new Pokemon generation, will be ready.
yeah, only that thinner, Better Ram, build it Battery and Screen. all that without melting or over heating. but sure, is just a Shield with a Nintendo Logo sticker
You mean that sales have dried out since then, despite reaching or blowing any expectation from any publisher or Nintendo themselves ?
i think nintendo really botched their marketing for this year. they werent helped with leaks taking away a whole bunch of shine. but still. i wonder if they're regretting not holding onto pokemon until e3 instead of showing it via a closed meeting powerpoint presentation. also their online and upcoming game schedule is super sketchy. just from a fans point of view, let alone an investors. theres legit one game coming out in september and its a 3rd party 3ds port. thats insane. its supposed to the month their online is launching. 18 months after the switch has been on the market. theres no virtual console. they intentionally obfuscate their game reveals. its confusing.
This is already better than the Nintendo droughts of the Wii U. We're still getting at least one game from Nintendo every month.
Rule of Thumb: Dedicated Forum =/= All Market. remember how most people here are calling Pokemon LG a flop already or Smash an un-interesting port?
I dont like it =/= Doesnt Exist
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June: 12 Fornite
June: 12 Hollow Knight
June: 13: Splatoon 2 Octo (DLC)
June: 21 Minecraft
JUne: 22: Mario Tennis Aces
June: 26: Mario + Rabbids Donkey Kong Adventures (DLC)
June: 29: Crash Bandicoot // Wolfestein II
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Dark Souls Remastered
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July: 13: Octopath Traveler
July 13: Captain Toad
August: 7: Overcooked! 2
August: 28: MH:GU
September: 7: SNK Heroines
September: 14: Xenoblade 2 DLC
September: 18: Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk
September: 28: Fifa 19
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Fall:
Arena of Valor
Pixark
Ark
Wasteland 2 Directors Cut
The World Ends With You
Valkyria Chronicles 4
Warrior Orochi 4
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October: Hero Aca: One's Justice
October: 2: Megaman 11
October: 5: Super Mario Party
October: 16: Starlink
October: 23: Just Dance 2019
November: 16: Pokemon LG!
December: 7: Smash Bros Ultimate
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instead I think it was the perfect move. it gave em the time to explain what it was and let people digest it. Imagine the mayhem it would have caused if this was show at E3 Direct and everyone believed this was Pokemon 2019
I don't think anyone is thinking there'll be a price drop soon, the system has only been out a year, is still selling really well, and has Pokeémon and Smash this holiday season. The best you can hope for this year is some kind of software pack in.
As for if it's a good time to get a Switch - how many games are there that you want to play? Are you going to just play through Zelda and then let the system gather dust, or are there a few that you're interested in? What's your financial situation like? Can you afford to spend ~£380 on a Switch, one game, and pro controller without worrying too much about there being loads more to play? What other consoles do you have and are you interested in playing multiplats like LA Noire, Wolfenstein II or DOOM on the Switch? Do you see yourself valuing the portability highly/a little/not at all?
If it helps, I have a Switch and a gaming PC and I'm happy with my Switch even if I wish there were more games and am kind of disappointed by the rest of the year's lineup. Zelda is amazing, Mario Odyssey was fine, Mario Kart 8D is great fun, there are loads of indies but I usually prefer to play those on my PC. I was travelling for 10 months and enjoyed playing DOOM on the go, but now I'm home it's almost always docked, though I do occasionally take it to my girlfriend's. I just picked up DKCTF despite owning it on Wii U and LA Noire and I'm having fun with both, but original unique games are few and far between.
I'll always say if you're not satisfied with what's out already or coming out in the next couple of months then don't buy it. Don't buy a system on the promise of what's coming out 6 months plus down the line - games get delayed, deviate from initial showings, change focus from previous entries, or even cancelled.
Someone asked what Nintendo can do...
No, make a real console is not the answer.
The Switch is a very real console.
The need to drop the old guard Japanese pride and ego and invest in studios. There have been and will be more very talented studios on the bubble. Sweep in and invest in them Microsoft may be doing it in their usual Bif Tannen way but they are doing it right. Nintendo needs better output and variety. It is like big game then 5 months of filler the big game or two then more months of filler.
Yes some great gems are in that filler but it is also filler that will hit a steam sale before too long or has already run its course on other systems.
No, make a real console is not the answer.
The Switch is a very real console.
The need to drop the old guard Japanese pride and ego and invest in studios. There have been and will be more very talented studios on the bubble. Sweep in and invest in them Microsoft may be doing it in their usual Bif Tannen way but they are doing it right. Nintendo needs better output and variety. It is like big game then 5 months of filler the big game or two then more months of filler.
Yes some great gems are in that filler but it is also filler that will hit a steam sale before too long or has already run its course on other systems.
Blowing those publishers expectations so much that they flock to day and date their latest releases.
Nintendo major titles usually sell for a *very* long time though.
Regarding that specific issue I think that alone makes a huge difference compared to most other platform holders first/second party titles (and arguably third party ones as well, I mean it's not like the market is flooded by long tail monsters like GTA)
Most third party games that are huge have long tails now.
It's not like Rainbow Six Siege, NBA 2K, Fifa, etc don't sell for months and months and months.
So the stock has started rising? Oh no, what will Era use to call doom and gloom on Nintendo now?
Literally only Siege is an example of what the other poster is talking about from the games you mentioned. FIFA and NBA cut their own legs off with annual releases.
Your reasoning is rich when you think that the Shield is literally an off the shelf mobile processor and the reason it doesn't overheat or melt like you say is because it's heavily underclocked compared to the Shield hw.
XB1/PS4 are much more custom and required much more R&D than the Switch starting from the fact that they use APUs with an at the time beefy GPU which weren't the norm at all, add to that the stupidly big amount of GDDR5 ram the PS4 had at launch in a time where the most expensive GPU on the market had only 6GB or that the Xbox One had a whopping 32MB of expensive (in every sense) ESRAM and was designed to work with the now useless and defunct Kinect which it may have not worked strategy wise but the money and manpower spent to develop it were still there. Let's not forget the huuuuge investments in network infrastructure which Nintendo is behind a decade and a half.
Arguing that MS and Sony have not spent R&D or didn't have creativity in building their consoles is asinine and incredibly ignorant.
Games from major publishers are never going to come and that's pretty clear at this point...
call me when any of those games gets into teh 12 months frame, keep selling without slashing down its price
Fair enough, but... we have multiple Nintendo evergreen that sell for years.
There's a reason I mentioned GTA specifically.
and yet, theres been a lot of confusion about what exactly it is and how it works. and more importantly, it removed a lot of hype from their biggest presentation of the year.
Destiny 1 was one of the most popular games in the world for several years. Fortnite will be the most popular game in the world for years to come probably. Overwatch and CSGO have been played and bought nonstop for the last few years.
Games these days have a lot of staying power, it's not 2008 anymore.
"games from major publishers" is a large statement, if you mean AAAA games like Anthem or RDR2, then yeah, there was never a realistic chance no matter how dedicated a third party could have been, because it's just not possible
if you mean the plethora of games that publishers could release on the Switch, then I disagree, most publishers will turn around to the switch (and a good lot of them actually already have) once they'll be able to actually have a proper development cycle for these games. Game dev takes 2-3-4 years nowadays, and the switch is barely 1 year and a third old. The gap between release of PC/PS4/One and Switch will shorten as the time pass, and the game that had a longer devcycle will be announced in due time, once they're ready. The only fear that people would have about those 3rd party games is if sales were to fall off a cliff, like the Wii U back in time, but fortunately that's not happening, quite the contrary.
Ok, I'll concede that.
My point about Nintendo evergreens titles still stands though.
there was and it already settled down. so point proved. also, normal people will eat it up
Wii U had a really great period starting from late 2013. We got games like Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors and Donkey Kong Country TF and lots more, plus a lot really good indies like Shovel Knight within the span of a year. The launch window was dire, but things really picked up in late 2013 and 2014.
Switch has got it backwards. The launch window was good, but this year has been really dire for Switch. And with the way E3 went it looks like the situation will stay dire for a really long time, it's really hopeless.
There's no question that Wii U 2014 was better than what we're getting now.
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