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The Handmaid's Tale S2 |OT| Gilead is within you.

Crackhead_Bob

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Empress of ice cream said:
A scene from the next episode was leaked a few days ago. It is gone now but it was extremely triggering to me. So just a heads up.
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I did too. I linked it up yesterday but it was taken down. I'm wondering what the context of it was. Was it out of punishment? I wonder if their debacle in Canada somehow factors into this, that they might have mistakenly linked June and Moira as the parties involved in leaking the letters and not Nick.

From Fred's point of view, he could be thinking that his wife, June, or possibly Nick could have been the ones who leaked the letters to the press. At the very least, it might buy Nick some time.
 
Shy

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Yeah, what was that about? 'It wasn't my fault' ... a creepy hint at malicious involvement, or a sympathetic hint at tragic involvement? I guess the latter given the way they played it with the music etc. I guess they have to flashback to that now.
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I definitely think it's the latter.

I think that she was distracted with work while baby sitting, and something happened. Which could be one of the explanations as to why she's so fanatical.
 
Killthee

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gofreak said:
Yeah, what was that about? 'It wasn't my fault' ... a creepy hint at malicious involvement, or a sympathetic hint at tragic involvement? I guess the latter given the way they played it with the music etc. I guess they have to flashback to that now.
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Someone in the subreddit brought up Lydia's conversation to Offred earlier this season when she took her to see Omar hanging by the river. The whole "Offred does not have to bear June's guilt" and how Omar's death and what happened to his family is June's fault, not Offreds. What if that philosophical take and her religious fanaticism comes from her nephews death and the guilt she has over it?
 
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Jom

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I'm fucking done with the time spent trying to humanize Serena and any of the murders and rapists in Gilead, including Lydia. The inevitable destruction of Gilead needs to come ASAP, I'm tired of the repetitious pointless misery.
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I think what the show is doing is good. I see the humanizing as just a way to not just make her one of those one-dimensional, ridiculous villains. You have to show that she herself at least believes in the righteousness of her own cause.

But the show always pulls it back and shows you that she is a massive piece of shit still even when given the chance at redemption, like when she told Jane that she's going away right after the baby is born.
 
RatskyWatsky

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gofreak said:
Yeah, what was that about? 'It wasn't my fault' ... a creepy hint at malicious involvement, or a sympathetic hint at tragic involvement? I guess the latter given the way they played it with the music etc. I guess they have to flashback to that now.
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I took it as "The baby died. (pause) But it wasn't my fault. I really am a good midwife, so don't worry, your baby is safe with me."

Killthee said:
Someone in the subreddit brought up Lydia's conversation to Offred earlier this season when she took her to see the Omar hanging by the river. The whole "Offred does not have to bear June's guilt" and how Omar's death and what happened to his family is June's fault, not Offreds. What if that philosophical take and her religious fanaticism comes from her nephews death and the guilt she has over it?
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Or this.
 
Chumley

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gofreak said:
Yeah, what was that about? 'It wasn't my fault' ... a creepy hint at malicious involvement, or a sympathetic hint at tragic involvement? I guess the latter given the way they played it with the music etc. I guess they have to flashback to that now.
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Lydia is psychotic, so I'd bet it was her fault whatever happened but then she became a new person when Gilead was formed, and now she thinks she isn't responsible. Like the "June is not Offred" speech as Killthee said.

As with everyone in positions of power in Gilead, she is inflicting pain, misery, and murder on others because of her own failures as a human being.
 
Walker_Boh

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What are the odds that Aunt Lydia:
fakes the baby's death? It seems that she gives Serena bad news in the preview but I think she believed June's warning about Serena and is trying to keep it from her.
 
Chumley

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Walker_Boh said:
What are the odds that Aunt Lydia:
fakes the baby's death? It seems that she gives Serena bad news in the preview but I think she believed June's warning about Serena and is trying to keep it from her.
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Nah, she's a true believer and cares more about Gilead and self preservation than babies. She cries crocodile tears when talking about how "precious" children are. You might be right but I don't see her putting herself at risk for a child with how utterly monstrous she's been so far.
 
Kirblar

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Lydia has done monstrous things in the name of creating and protecting the children. She's genuinely compassionate at times despite the asshole behavior.

Serena has done monstrous things in the name of obtaining a child. She's never genuinely compassionate, it's always self-serving behavior.

Their motivations are complete polar opposites and the juxtaposition of the two characters has been a a thing emerging throughout the season.
 
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"Blessed be the fruit."

"May The Force Be With You."

I feel like I missed something-what was the point of the trip to Canada? Trade talks?
 
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Crackhead_Bob

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"Blessed be the fruit."

"May The Force Be With You."

I feel like I missed something-what was the point of the trip to Canada? Trade talks?
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I think part of the reason for the trip was to elevate their standing among their global neighbors. They were going to coast by on sympathy after the bombing a few episodes back. One agenda on the table was to work out an agreement to have their refugees returned back to them. Trade talks was also part of it too.
 
Dalek

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I think part of the reason for the trip was to elevate their standing among their global neighbors. They were going to coast by on sympathy after the bombing a few episodes back. One agenda on the table was to work out an agreement to have their refugees returned back to them. Trade talks was also part of it too.
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To have their refugees returned to them...how sinister...
 
Crackhead_Bob

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Dalek said:
To have their refugees returned to them...how sinister...
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Margaret Atwood has gone on record saying that everything that happens in the book and show has happened before in history in some part of the world. What's going on now with DACA and ICE; you could argue that it's art imitating life in that regard.
 
Crackhead_Bob

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Sub Boss said:
At first i thought Serena was going to have an affair with that man at the bar lol
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I thought he might have been a Gilead sympathizer trying to infect Canada from within; getting her side of the story because you know... both sides. That being said, I wonder if the show will ever explore that possibility in Canada.
 
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HotHamBoy

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I am sad this show ends this week and the OT only has 8 pages.

What a disgrace. It's easily the best show airing right now.

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I feel bad for her one scene and hate her the next (even though I am always aware that she is a bad person). I think it's a testament to the writing and acting that this is possible.
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Absolutely, she is written and performed with great depth and nuance. I am constantly oscillating between sympathy and loathing. That's no small feat.

gofreak said:
Yeah, what was that about? 'It wasn't my fault' ... a creepy hint at malicious involvement, or a sympathetic hint at tragic involvement? I guess the latter given the way they played it with the music etc. I guess they have to flashback to that now.
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I saw it as her saying "whatever happens to this baby isn't on you" and I think that's her passing on the acceptance she had to come to in her own situation.
 
RatskyWatsky

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Yvonne Strahovski didn't have a whole whole lot to do besides being an ice queen last season, but she's really risen to meet her more meaty material this year that's for sure.
 
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The latest episode wow

It's a shame so many people are watching that robot show and paying dust to the best show on air right now
 
Crackhead_Bob

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I wonder if June will miscarry. It would deprive the Waterfords of her child and give June an added layer of tragedy.

The other way would be for the Waterfords to have June for a very brief time and the child to be spirited away to Canada. It would deprive both June and the Waterfords of her child and would allow the writers to bring Hannah to the fore.
 
Superpupperbabysassy

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episode 10 just aired? If so, now I can talk about it. Elizabeth Moss may have scored the Emmy with that episode. The little girl who plays Hannah is amazing also.
 
Sikamikanico

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Episode 10 absolutely killed me. Amazing performances from Elizabeth Moss and the rest of the cast. There were points I felt uncomfortable even looking at the screen. Devastating.
 
Pikachu

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After getting about 4-5 eps behind because I lost interest I started again and it's still so boring.

S2 is such a disappointment.
 
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Yeah, that was brutal. I cried a little when Offred told Hannah to enjoy her life. Once again the acting is off the charts.
 
FliX

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So I am half way though S2 so it might be explained further along but I have a big question.

What is the point of the colonies? What value is Gilliad deriving from digging up radioactive dirt?
Obviously I understand their need to punish/lock up dissidents, but why not have them do something productive e.g. on the fields or just shoot them?
 
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FliXFantatier said:
So I am half way though S2 so it might be explained further along but I have a big question.

What is the point of the colonies? What value is Gilliad deriving from digging up radioactive dirt?
Obviously I understand their need to punish/lock up dissidents, but why not have them do something productive e.g. on the fields or just shoot them?
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A lot of their farmland got self-nuked to prevent the weapons from being used.
 
Sub Boss

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Ok why are the waterfords so against June seeing her daughter? Whats the danger for them? I didn't catch it
 

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Ok why are the waterfords so against June seeing her daughter? Whats the danger for them? I didn't catch it
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I read it in part as any situation that refers back to the old life that June or any of the Handmaids had is a threat to Gilead. Gilead relies on the erasure of its victims lives and every time June or another character calls attention to their past or their humanity, it's an attack on Gilead.
 
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It's just that the misery porn is strong in this season.

At some point you realize you just have no desire to see a dystopia where women get whipped for writing if no one is going to do anything about it.

Season one showed what was wrong; season two needed to be the full uprising - nothing half-assed. The concept is interesting but there isn't enough to drag it out for five seasons.
 
Kirblar

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It's just that the misery porn is strong in this season.

At some point you realize you just have no desire to see a dystopia where women get whipped for writing if no one is going to do anything about it.

Season one showed what was wrong; season two needed to be the full uprising - nothing half-assed. The concept is interesting but there isn't enough to drag it out for five seasons.
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You must have hated Mr. Robot S2.
 
Sub Boss

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Kirblar said:
We don't know yet, but the location Fred picked seemed to be a problem.
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Shy said:
Power. And it's also against their ideology. June's a Handmaiden, and as such, has no rights.
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Mercury Fred said:
I read it in part as any situation that refers back to the old life that June or any of the Handmaids had is a threat to Gilead. Gilead relies on the erasure of its victims lives and every time June or another character calls attention to their past or their humanity, it's an attack on Gilead.
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Thx
Hmm, i thought it would be something else, like they shoot Nick and only had 10 min to see her it always looks very serious when they talk about hanna, like its against the rules and they could kill the waterfords over it.i know its Gilead but a short visit doesn't sound like much :c

But then the series would end with June on the new district with her daughter :p
 
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