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Caja 117

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Oct 25, 2017
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yes, the small ball philosophy is a thing of the past. teams don't really operate that way anymore. what exactly are you arguing here?

i don't understand why there are so many baseball fans who are just unwilling to learn the reality of modern baseball and why it is the way it is.
Is not about small ball philosophy or reality of modern baseball, but saying that KOs importance is just thing of the past is disingenious, I can agree to certain point on BA importance, but not KO because its a good indicator on the player abbility or lack of it on puttting the ball in play. And while in a long season you might want the player that KO 200 times and a ops of 1000, when you are in playoff where you will face the best rotations, contact is king and KOs have a higher weight to them.

But Im done with the conversation, You dont believe in clutch so we defenetly wont agree too much.
 

17 Seconds

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i did read it and it took everything in me not to quote it, and mock it because you spent half the post contradicting yourself.

man, i love it when people on the internet just want to act right about something and the ignore all the reasoning and logic that is being thrown at them. shit is so tired. you just ignore it all and then wait for an opening to reply to something else, or wait for someone else to jump in so you can reply to them. it's childish.
 

17 Seconds

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Is not about small ball philosophy or reality of modern baseball, but saying that KOs importance is just thing of the past is disingenious, I can agree to certain point on BA importance, but not KO because its a good indicator on the player abbility or lack of it on puttting the ball in play. And while in a long season you might want the player that KO 200 times and a ops of 1000, when you are in playoff where you will face the best rotations, contact is king and KOs have a higher weight to them.
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you didn't read my posts if you think that i said the importance of strikeouts is a thing of the past. i literally wrote a full paragraph saying how important strikeouts are.
 

Caja 117

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you didn't read my posts if you think that i said the importance of strikeouts is a thing of the past. i literally wrote a full paragraph saying how important strikeouts are.
Dude, that was Your first post that I quoted you on, if you said something different after then you are either contradicting yourself or moving goalpost.



On a different note: Is Gleiber Torres is really this good, I mean regarding his power? Because he is close to catch Stanton in Homeruns.
 
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17 Seconds

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Dude, that was Your first post that I quoted you on, if you said something different after then you are either contradicting yourself or moving goalpost..

tell me you see the difference between these 2 statements

a) teams don't prioritize contact skills as much as they used to

and

b) contact is less important than it was before
 

Caja 117

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They mean the same, not prioritizing something is by definition making something less important...and Please lets not argue semanthics. let me watch my game man. I concede, you didnt say KO are not important.
 

captive

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Oct 25, 2017
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man, i love it when people on the internet just want to act right about something and the ignore all the reasoning and logic that is being thrown at them. shit is so tired. you just ignore it all and then wait for an opening to reply to something else, or wait for someone else to jump in so you can reply to them. it's childish.
OH man you're so above it all.
 

EN1GMA

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Nov 7, 2017
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yes, thank you both for clarifying. what's even more frustrating is that we have multiple seasons worth of data on this and yet nothing is being done to change this. 200 strikeouts a season should not be the approach to hitting.
Stanton and Judge would be such better hitters if they just went up there to make contact instead of trying to launch everything.
There is no guarantee that Judge would be a better hitter if he tried to make more contact. Part of what makes Judge so great is his power and his ability to get on base. Trying to make contact more often would most likely result in less walks and also less HR. Not all that contact would result in positive value and even when it did there is no guarantee it would be more valuable than the HR Judge provides. You could argue that Judge had a more vauble season with the bat last season than Tony Gwynn ever had in his career.
 
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yes, the small ball philosophy is a thing of the past. teams don't really operate that way anymore. what exactly are you arguing here?

i don't understand why there are so many baseball fans who are just unwilling to learn the reality of modern baseball and why it is the way it is.

my issue with the three outcome approach is that it makes for a very one-dimensional offense. if you rely on just making hard contact and lifting the ball it can be exploited by pitchers.
honestly I shouldn't have mentioned Judge, as he is still one of the most elite offensive players, (although his OBP has been dropping a lot lately) but rather Stanton who has put up decent numbers this year but has been up and down. maybe if he has another month like last year I'll shut up but... yeah.
 

EN1GMA

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Nov 7, 2017
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my issue with the three outcome approach is that it makes for a very one-dimensional offense. if you rely on just making hard contact and lifting the ball it can be exploited by pitchers.
honestly I shouldn't have mentioned Judge, as he is still one of the most elite offensive players, (although his OBP has been dropping a lot lately) but rather Stanton who has put up decent numbers this year but has been up and down. maybe if he has another month like last year I'll shut up but... yeah.
Judge doesn't have too much data but he already looks like a better hitter than Stanton ever was or probably will be. Stanton has never had a season with an OBP of .400.
 

EnronERA

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Oct 25, 2017
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you guys are messing up using either Judge or Stanton for your example. Those guys strike out a ton but still manage to make enough contact to hit at least .250.

Joey Gallo, however, is a good subject for this argument.

I agree that the 3 true outcomes approach to hitting fuckin' SUCKS as a fan watching it, and im not sure of how to measure the value. Is someone more productive if they put the ball in play, get more hits with runners in front of them, keeping innings alive, or are they more valuable just hitting dongers but striking out more? Im not sure. I would have to think the former when pressed though.
 
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X man got it done today with a go ahead homer and being involved in two double plays, one to end the game in the ninth.
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captive

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you guys are messing up using either Judge or Stanton for your example. Those guys strike out a ton but still manage to make enough contact to hit at least .250.

Joey Gallo, however, is a good subject for this argument.

I agree that the 3 true outcomes approach to hitting fuckin' SUCKS as a fan watching it, and im not sure of how to measure the value. Is someone more productive if they put the ball in play, get more hits with runners in front of them, keeping innings alive, or are they more valuable just hitting dongers but striking out more? Im not sure. I would have to think the former when pressed though.
one or two true outcome players wouldnt be bad. But you're never going to fill a lineup 1-9 thats going to give you 30+ homers a year you would need for it to make sense to have all 3 true out come players.

and yea joey gallo is a joke. When he is up to bat i have no fear of him. He strikes out too much, and in fact struck out with a chance to tie it in the bottom of the ninth earlier this week against the stros.
 

SchuckyDucky

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Nov 5, 2017
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The O's are on pace to have 116 losses. After we trade Manny, we might be bad enough to get over 120 losses. It will be hard to be that bad, but I think it's possible.
 

Drax

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Oct 25, 2017
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Look on the bright side, only four and a half more years of Chris Davis' salary.

isn't his contract more like bobby bonilla.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/14580503/chris-davis-agrees-deal-remain-baltimore-orioles

Assuming the $23 million average annual value is spread evenly over Chris Davis' new deal, the Orioles' 2016 payroll is already near $140 million.

Davis will receive a $17 million annual salary from 2016 to 2022 and will receive additional annual payments through 2037, when he will be 51, a source told Olney. There is no interest accrued on the deferrals.
 

Angry Grimace

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Oct 25, 2017
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Random update for Padres fans (all 2 of us): Ted Leitner's tumor came back from biopsy benign (despite doctors having told him it was 95% likely to be cancerous) and he's going to be back in the booth on Tuesday.
 

Angry Grimace

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Lmao Andy Green got run out of the game by Joe West and said into the mic: "Don't worry Joe, I'm leaving so you can get another call wrong"
 

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Uhhhh Braves fans, your mascot has no mouth. What is this horror.

Good news on Uncle Ted. Glad the tumor was benign and it seems like he's on the mend. That being said, I've been a lot happier with the Padres radio call since he's been gone :/
 
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