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What tendency/ideology do you best align with?

  • Anarchism

    Votes: 125 12.0%
  • Marxism

    Votes: 86 8.2%
  • Marxism-Leninism

    Votes: 79 7.6%
  • Left Communism

    Votes: 19 1.8%
  • Democratic Socialism

    Votes: 423 40.6%
  • Social Democracy

    Votes: 238 22.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 73 7.0%

  • Total voters
    1,043

Mezentine

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Elon Musk does at least appear to believe his own Kool Aid though, so I don't find him quite as loathesome as Bezos

Its a very fractional difference though

EDIT: or maybe Musk's "lets just re-invent public sector projects privately!" makes him worse. Yeah actually I think that makes him worse
 
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If Bezos can get me a Silmarillion TV show one day, he will be substantially better than Musk.

The real ultimate villain of course is Thiel.
 

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Musk is just infuriating really. Like that soc dem kid in my first year uni class that has never said one pro worker thing ever but still considered himself a social democrat. If you just like to be seen as a caring person without being one, then you are an opportunist and we already have an ideology for that it is called Liberalism.
 

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The leader we didnt wanted, but we have
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I was Reading about an Amazon plant that has US patents, and the Brazilian university couldnt use the Brazil plant properties because of that.
 

Daria

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The Twilight Zone
I can't believe I actually liked Elon for a minute but then he turned into a batshit capitalist. Reading the first handful of chapters of his bio makes all his tweet that much more sweet
 

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Well trying to look at the good side, at least he thinks he's a socialist, to assume as a socialist is hard since there's a bunch of hate. It would be easier to talk to him about this subject, than the traditional anticommunist businessman. Since its a trade of Idea between peers of different opinions than an evil enemy , he should be more receptive to discuss these ideas.

But sure i don't have Hope in that. Just talking my mind.
 
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Skaterboy

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I can't believe I actually liked Elon for a minute but then he turned into a batshit capitalist. Reading the first handful of chapters of his bio makes all his tweet that much more sweet
In a stunning move Neoliberal Capitalist moves into the lucrative field of porn by producing the most erotic forms of public masterbation, a biography.

Are there any particularly *jizz* worthy quotes.
 

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Hey guys, do you know of any good games that essentially follow a socialist view/critique of society? I think that'd be interesting to play through.
 

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Hey guys, do you know of any good games that essentially follow a socialist view/critique of society? I think that'd be interesting to play through.
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JK thats all the game have of critique (ff9)

Ff7 is very critical to the capitalism, but isnt socialist he never says what avalanche wants to replace the system for. Either way Its very traditional war of classes and Very radical.
(Probably Someone at old Square readed marxist theory)

Bioshock also is a critic to ancap.

Assassins Creed syndicate there's a brief introduction of unions with Marx as a character.

But a 100% pure socialist game would probably be an Indie game i believe.
 

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My knowledge about colombia IS limited, but i Will try to think by what is usual now about latin America, If i have to put my money on something i bet:

- think tanks with Far right ideas and anti communism helped that, Also there's USA money and Intel that helped those think tanks. Basicaly propaganda.

- since guerrilas were active Its not hard to propagate those ideas.

-president is an USA boy, more US than latin, the high class with money loved that and Gave tons of money to him.

- i would think middle class is divided, more to the Far right i believe and in support to the high class, due to the propaganda.

Brecht:

"There's nothing more similar to a fascist than a scared liberal."

(Liberal in the european Sense not US)

I'm right in my guesses?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I dunno know what to think of this China stuff....

On one hand, state censorship is real bad

But on the other hand, China has been rising for so long, It's hard to imagine China laying down so America can rise again.

This South Sea saber rattling can fuck off
Though
 

House_Of_Lightning

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It's going to be interesting. The experience of WW2 and The Bomb were the largest deterrent to direct national confrontation. But the end result was the complete political vacuum that is Russia and China. Where as the US was unable to exert significant influence in either country's political spheres. Now that Russia has recovered from the collapse of the USSR and China has, for real this time, "stood up", they're going to re-exert themselves in the avenues that they can.

In the past the world was divided between a duopoly of political hegemony - between the US and USSR. Now we're going to see a three front formation.

I doubt anyone will be motivated into direct super power confrontation, but the world isn't as vulnerable to proxy wars like it was 50 years ago.
 

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It's going to be interesting. The experience of WW2 and The Bomb were the largest deterrent to direct national confrontation. But the end result was the complete political vacuum that is Russia and China. Where as the US was unable to exert significant influence in either country's political spheres. Now that Russia has recovered from the collapse of the USSR and China has, for real this time, "stood up", they're going to re-exert themselves in the avenues that they can.

In the past the world was divided between a duopoly of political hegemony - between the US and USSR. Now we're going to see a three front formation.

I doubt anyone will be motivated into direct super power confrontation, but the world isn't as vulnerable to proxy wars like it was 50 years ago.
I think Its 4, Europe with germany is acting differently than US and Russia.
 
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e: fucking website ate my post

Anyways what I wanted to say is corruption is inherent and inevitable when it comes money and power and I have not read a word of the communist manifesto or whatever karl marx has written but it's by what I've experienced in my life that makes me come to the conclusion and when I try to figure whose worst in terms of human rights in term of America vs China, both are awful in different ways and I wonder if some of that of what comes from that kind of thinking is propaganda from western media. and basically what my line of thought about both countries is my right to vote is precious to me as a disabled person in a red state and my right to vote should be seen as an encouragement for a progressive future but with a two party system I can see how it's easy to see both parties as awful and I genuinely wish third parties were a thing.

Mainly my thoughts of america are we can do better then this, people just have to start caring for more then people like themselves or their skin color, and when we make America a more humane place to live, we could actually do better then china.

But that's my half baked opinions
 
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Still am not over that hot take that nukes have prevented ww3

Like I get the gist of it but shouldn't all countries denuclearize just so the world can inhabitable or salvagable in a century or so?
 
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America will always be unreliable as a world leader due to a duopoly that is slowly eating itself into oblivion because of corruption inherent to money and capitalism

We shouldn't make excuses for any dictatorship but this is not a perfect world and hopefully the hedgemony ends in our lifetime
 
Oct 27, 2017
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In my opinion, globalization is not the enemy, it's for the good

It's just globalization is short hand for third world countries have cheaper standards and paywages like mexico or the east and let's have all the manufacturing there instead of here

Deindustrialization is happening because of duolopy that exploits the third world and all the people being fed "America First" are being told lies and voting for the past and not the future.
 

House_Of_Lightning

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In my opinion, globalization is not the enemy, it's for the good

It's just globalization is short hand for third world countries have cheaper standards and paywages like mexico or the east and let's have all the manufacturing there instead of here

Deindustrialization is happening because of duolopy that exploits the third world and all the people being fed "America First" are being told lies and voting for the past and not the future.


"No social order ever perishes before all the productive forces for which there is room in it have developed; and new, higher relations of production never appear before the material conditions of their existence have matured in the womb of the old society itself."
 
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Basically when i vote, I don't vote for the past glories or what not, I vote for the future.

I vote just so that one day the duolopy gets abolished and America can be tolerable to live in like UBI and UHC

at the end of the day, all I want is money in my pocket and people to be happy and free

Capitalism is just slavery and communistic dictatorship are just as corrupt as the capitalistic one???

I need to workshop my idea more
 

Veggen

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What if this train of accelerationism is reaching its conclusion into balkanizing United States? Time to usher in a new wave of localism?
 
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Can populism be good if it's used for good and then evil?

I can see america lasting past my lifetime, but my niece and nephew's? Ummm. not so sure
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It's going to be interesting. The experience of WW2 and The Bomb were the largest deterrent to direct national confrontation. But the end result was the complete political vacuum that is Russia and China. Where as the US was unable to exert significant influence in either country's political spheres. Now that Russia has recovered from the collapse of the USSR and China has, for real this time, "stood up", they're going to re-exert themselves in the avenues that they can.

In the past the world was divided between a duopoly of political hegemony - between the US and USSR. Now we're going to see a three front formation.

I doubt anyone will be motivated into direct super power confrontation, but the world isn't as vulnerable to proxy wars like it was 50 years ago.
The problem with your analysis here is that the Russian Federation is a heavily declining power. It's birthrate is in the toilet and doesn't have the immigration to make up for it and it's economy is dependent enough on energy markets that it's subject to extreme boom and bust cycles. Nukes are pretty well established to only work effectively as deterrent so while its arsenal gives it some degree of security it doesn't really effectively extend its influence much beyond being taken seriously as a nuclear power. It's allies are pretty sparse and insignificant and it's pretty desperate to hold onto them (unlike the US lmao). It's not going to be a superpower again unless something drastically changes.

There's also talk of the EU becoming an independent superpower but I don't think it will, it lacks leadership or a coherent vision and it's main goal has been destroying the economies of like a third of its population. Despite America's numerous fuckups the Euro isn't really a credible alternative to the dollar, they're about to lose what was their second largest economy, etc etc. It's also just a nightmare to try and make significant change happen within the EU because of how complicated the process is and given the Eurosceptic nature of especially eastern and southern Europe it's not really likely to credibly have superpower status soon unless things really change.

The real plausible third superpower going forward would be India, the only real credible challenger to China's rise other than the US. India's economy is smaller than China's but its growth is more consistent and liberal democracies tend to grow faster than autocracies anyways. It's made a lot of moves to align itself closer with the US despite historically cool relations and that's a bipartisan consensus between the BJP and INC to align itself more with the liberal democracies in Asia than it did before. China also notably has taken India's rise pretty seriously and stepped up its influence in most/all of India's neighbors.
 

House_Of_Lightning

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You make a good point but in the considerations of the like of Russia, the USSR itself was always a distant rival to the USA in various terms. But, like the modern Russia, it makes up for what they lack in raw economic means by cut throat opportunism. They've so far been able to make a naked land grab unopposed and, like the USSR, most of their alliances are more out of Anti Americanism and autocratic desperation than otherwise.

But, that said, it's silly for me to try and make a 1:1 comparison.

India is a good example as well. China/India/Pakistan is going to be a whole different type of mess at some point I imagine. I wonder if at some point there is going to be an Indian/American/Chinese hegemon against a Pakistani/Turkic political rival.
 
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Every superpower/potential superpower is a mess right now.

The EU is tearing apart at the seams over Euroskepticism, the long term effects of the recession and liberalization, the refugee crisis etc.

The US is marching headlong into Stupid Fascism and refuses to do anything to ever fix its billion problems. It's (purposefully uneducated) population believes in all sorts of dumbass conspiracy theories like global warming being a hoax.

China and India have potentially nightmarish upcoming demographic problems and nationalism out the wazoo. Not to mention China just cooks the books on a bunch of economic stuff and eventually it will experience a recession/depression and who knows what happens at that point.

Russia is literally just a dying mafia state propping itself up with nukes.
 
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We're far more educated than 20th century Chinese peasants were, but I could absolutely see a whole ton of nonsensical anti-GMO, pro-wacky-New Age holistic stuff wrecking the agricultural and medical fields in the event of social collapse.

And fiefdoms ruled by megachurch warlords.
 

Mezentine

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China and India are both going to be the new experiments in "how long can you hold off the corrosion of nationalism by just having the most bodies to throw at labor"
 
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I don't know if nationalism is particularly corrosive towards establishing power, it wasn't like the previous empires of the industrial era didn't have a strong sense of nationalism and to my knowledge their minority out groups (as in, non-Hindu and non-Han) aren't really large enough to pose a serious issue.

That said, not really an expert on Indian or Chinese domestic politics, so if anyone has a good sources to pass along I'd be happy to read them.