Agreement and sanctioning of the wholesale murder of women and children.
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Gal Gadot's views on Israel & Palestine - Your thoughts?
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Agreement and sanctioning of the wholesale murder of women and children.
Gadot as a Jewish person is not white, otherwise the hate that Jewish people get in Europe or in the us would not exist.
Well, you get what you ask for - so I should probably ask again since I was not really precise in my question.
How do you decide where that limit is? And in your opinion, is that limit absolute or is that limit personal?
I just saw this thread and didn't read everything, but this is a very well articulated post about this issue and I take pleasure in quoting it.
so sad to see people dedend the inexcusable actions of israel against palestinians, equate the actions of israel and palestine in this conflict, calling hamas terrorist group just because israel (and by extension us) considers them one (i know hamas isn't fully innocent).
i can't blame gal gadot much, a lot of times nationalism makes people unable to think for themselves and judge things fairly
i can't blame gal gadot much, a lot of times nationalism makes people unable to think for themselves and judge things fairly
How does that make is okay? There are PoC that are racist against other PoC, and she has horrible views about her ethnic cousins.
I don't understand what you are asking of me?
ARE you asking me to justify my ethical standards?
She agreed to host an event run by the Jewish National Fund this year, an organisation who's purpose is to buy up Palestinian Land and Homes in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and replace the inhabitants with Jewish residents. They are literally an ethnic cleansing org.
On the point of her comments in 2014. She repeated the unproven claim of hasbarists that Hamas used women and children as human sheilds. This is generally said in order to justify Israel murdering said women and children with rockets.
If a palestiinian had made the same post from the exact opposite position, there is a zero percent chance they would be able to have any sort of Hollywood career.
If a palestiinian had made the same post from the exact opposite position, there is a zero percent chance they would be able to have any sort of Hollywood career.
Ashkenazi Jews are definitely white.
"otherwise the hate that Jewish people get in Europe or in the us would not exist"
So, Irish people are not white? East Europeans are not white? The French are not white in the eyes of the Brits? The Brits are not white in the eyes of the French? Nazi Germany was not white in the eyes of rest of Europe? Rest of Europe was not white in the eyes of Nazi Germany?
There's no global white brotherhood to which every white person gets registered when he's born - and he loves every member there as his own brother, enough with that idiotic narrative.
this just shows that with enough money, enough influence and enough political power how much you can get away with
it's a little different to be "racist" (your word) towards people who are killing your people, occupying your lands and have the ultimate goal of cleansing the land of any Palestinians. your apology was very poor, but let me go along with it. it would be the same as expecting the jews at that time to have favorable views towards germans, and any who didn't to be called racist.
"people who are killing your people, occupying your lands and have the ultimate goal if cleansing the land of any Palestinians"
Where are you taking this from?
Also, are you seriously defending the killing of babies by Palestinian terrorists because their parent allegedly plan those things? (make no mistake, when the IDF has civilian casualties, it's as repulsive).
"nonsense claim"
Hamas used human shields right in front of the international press. Some of them had it on camera, e.g. the Indian NDTV (Report and video) and France24 (YouTube; Report on France24).
India is pro-Israel and vice versa.
Show us a non Indian link.
Also...the whole of Gaza and west bank is a heavily populated area. They fucking concentration camps FFS.
Look, that's not the problem here. She can meet her president and shake hands with him. I definitely won't shame her for something like this, because that doesn't equal to endorsing the states politics.
That's the real problem here:
Combined with the fact that she wrote her post during or right after thousands of people died, a lot of women and children included, which were "human shields" (so it's absolutely ok, amirite?) this is absolutely disgusting.
How the hell can one not see why this outrage exists? I mean...if you don't care at all about palestinian lifes (or muslims for that matter) that's ok I guess, but why do you take so much offense in this critique?
Because she is a powerful woman otherwise? Well, too bad for you as a fan of her, but she won't get a pass for her abhorrent views.
i'm not defending anything, read my post. by that definition the entire country of israel should be considered a terrorist nation.
I don't care if she was in the IDF support for wwhat Israel is doing and has done to the Palestinians is sickening. Her tweets during the 2014 conflict really turned my stomach. Nearly the entire international community agrees that Israel is guilty of war crimes and occupation.
She can rot for all I care.
How can someone with a shred of humanity voice support for the war machine that has ravaged hundreds of civilians after seeing women and children being slaughtered? She's either tone deaf, or like any other IDF fanboy, an irredeemable amoral person.
And that's only Gaza, let's not forget about the West Bank massacres, the war crimes committed in Jenin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jenin), and the whole Lebanese invasion and subsequent operations.
The IDF is probably the only army that can get away with genocide, and anyone who tries to accuse them is branded as an anti-Semite.
How can someone with a shred of humanity voice support for the war machine that has ravaged hundreds of civilians after seeing women and children being slaughtered? She's either tone deaf, or like any other IDF fanboy, an irredeemable amoral person.
And that's only Gaza, let's not forget about the West Bank massacres, the war crimes committed in Jenin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jenin), and the whole Lebanese invasion and subsequent operations.
The IDF is probably the only army that can get away with genocide, and anyone who tries to accuse them is branded as an anti-Semite.
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and the Israeli killed those women and children? good to know
People will always defend their favourites.
She was positioned as being an icon after her film did brilliantly - some will find it difficult to re-align.
She was positioned as being an icon after her film did brilliantly - some will find it difficult to re-align.
Would you feel the same way if an American celebrity did the same with Trump?
Right, I remember how much Europe benefited from white supremacy just 70 years ago.
Where are you taking this definition from? Do you know anything about the roots of the conflict? Hamas is the aggressor, had they just stopped attacking exclusively civilians, and either pushed for diplomatic relations or held true warfare against the IDF (and IDF only), the Palestinian side would come on top because of Israel's misdeeds.
Defending the Hamas and their disgusting behaviour, only hurts the Palestinian nation as a whole (who don't even support Hamas that much).
Israel doesn't target civilians and only kills when neccessary,unlike Hamas
This is an insane reach. How does wanting Hamas to go away mean wanting to exterminate (as in, murder all) Gazans? And claiming by "weareright" she supports exterminating Gazans is...also insane.
Somebody inform her that Israel LITERALLY created Hamas in the 80s as a means to overtake the secular and less militant PLO, which were the de facto political group representing Palestinians at the time.
Its aim was to militarise the Palestinians, show them to be terrorists and therefore allow Israel to clamp down and kill them indiscriminately.
It backfired.
It staggers me how so many people choose never to acknowledge the help, support, funding a lot of these terrorist groups receive from Western nations, especially in their infancy. It boggles my mind at the sheer hypocritical duplicity.
You reap as you sow in the end.
Its aim was to militarise the Palestinians, show them to be terrorists and therefore allow Israel to clamp down and kill them indiscriminately.
It backfired.
It staggers me how so many people choose never to acknowledge the help, support, funding a lot of these terrorist groups receive from Western nations, especially in their infancy. It boggles my mind at the sheer hypocritical duplicity.
You reap as you sow in the end.
done with this thread, can't argue with some of the disgusting views being expressed here.
That's bullshit. Israel practices indiscriminate saturation bombing against civilians and civilian infrastructure as a policy of collective of punishment and a strategy to lower popular support for militant movements. I've seen it first hand during the Lebanese civil war, operation Accountability, operation Grapes of Wrath and the 2006 Lebanese war, they can get away with it they don't give a shit.
Firing a 1000KG bomb against militants in a densely populated area like Gaza vs militants firing a bottle rocket into villages in the Negev desert. Yeah Israel totally doesn't want to kill civilians....
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I'm a Turk myself.
I would say the same if a turkish celebrity would shake hands with Erdogan.
It doesn't prove anything.
It's not a fact, we both know that Israel retaliates with extreme force causing civilian deaths even when they aren't forced to, but I believe he was referring to the part where you said that some killings are necessary.
Did you even understand what he wrote?
If there are civilians, throwing bombs is definitely not necessary, so no.
The poster's comment implies all of the killings are necessary.
And no is my answer.
The fact is Israel has participated in human rights abuse since its inception, bombing indiscriminately, using phosphorous bombs, torture and imprisonment of Palestinian women and children.
No matter how much you and other hasbarists try to convince yourselves otherwise, Israel is a European colony that participated in apartheid and human rights abuses, and no amount of propaganda will change that.
I don't know, if you Google Hamas war crimes, there are a lot of articles stemming from 2014 (same time as this tweet people take issue with) about Hamas killing Palestinians. So it's not that surprising for her to feel a certain way.
https://cnn.com/cnn/2015/05/27/world/hamas-amnesty-international-report/index.html
They shot rockets from civilian areas in a tiny strip of land almost entirely made up of civilian areas. Every gorilla organisation in history has employed these tactics.
Human shield claims is a tactic used by powerful military forces against gorilla forces to paint them as inhuman monsters rather than people employing the only viable strategy they can to fight against a vastly superior military opponent.
Israeli-Palestinian conflict aside, how do you deal with an enemy that believes that your death is absolutely necessary then?
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