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Now I feel kinda bad for blaming it on Bird since it sounds like it wasn't totally his fault. Still, 14 years and you didn't have at least some basic idea of a story? Seems weird to me but still a bummer it was a rushed production, seems like Pixar is just a shell of what it used to be in terms of the quality of their stories.
Bird's gone on the record saying he knew what he wanted the movie to focus on since 2007, but there's a good chance he only had ideas floating around due to his work on his cancelled San Francisco movie, MI4, and Tomorrowland. That, in combination with the Pixar process of having the committee consult on your film and giving ideas, makes it seem like the idea was cut for being too hard to convey in a 2 hour film or not enough time to build a good arc around it.

Shame, but at least there's a chance Bird can return to the idea in another film.
 

ASleepingMonkey

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Bird's gone on the record saying he knew what he wanted the movie to focus on since 2007, but there's a good chance he only had ideas floating around due to his work on his cancelled San Francisco movie, MI4, and Tomorrowland. That, in combination with the Pixar process of having the committee consult on your film and giving ideas, makes it seem like the idea was cut for being too hard to convey in a 2 hour film or not enough time to build a good arc around it.

Shame, but at least there's a chance Bird can return to the idea in another film.
Hopefully he has more freedom next time :/
 

ascii42

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Was anyone else really bothered by all the flashing lights during some scenes? Other that that I really enjoyed the movie despite its predictable plot.
My theatre had a sign put up saying that there was a scene with flashing lights that may trigger people who are photosensitive or something to that effect.
 

bottledfox

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One golden rule with effective comic book villains is that the hero of the book usually has some sort of hand in their creation and carries some guilt about their part in it. That's certainly part of why Syndrome was so good and Screenslaver was kinda 'eh', the relationship between her and the family was far more indirect.

The strange thing is, it really didn't have to be. Just make one of her dad's hotline phones be to Mr. Incredible or Elastigirl instead of some rando supers that got 2 seconds of screen time, add a scene with the Deavor kids watching while they say something along the lines of "we'll always be there when you call" to their parents when the lines are installed, bingo bango, you have a far more direct connection and conflict between the characters there.

Feels like the writers thought having the family tangentially responsible for the creation of two villains in two films would seem a bit trope-y, that it's weird that this one family would be at the center of bringing these villains upon themselves when there's other heroes out there, but uh, every other superhero film series seems to do fine with connecting the villain to the main character instead of some tangential third party. It's like if Rocket Racer just got randomly thrown into Spider-man 2 to be partially responsible for Doc Ock's accident rather than Spider-man, then ducked right back out of the movie. Okay, you avoided the trope of the titular hero being semi-directly responsible for the villain, congratulations I guess? Was bucking a trope worth impersonalizing the whole dynamic between the hero and the villain?

Sometimes tropes are tropes because they're effective.

Yeah, it'd be more impactful if Elastigirl was called and didn't answer, because she was focused so much on keeping the family safe...
 

Shig

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Uh, I don't think you follow. I'm talking about involving some of the main characters in flashback, before the super ban and before the Deavors' father was shot. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl were active superheroes then, why couldn't one of them have been one of the hotline contacts? Would have made it more personal for Evelyn than just the generalized 'superheroes failed him.'
 

Bronx-Man

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I may have the timeline confused but I thought the parents' deaths and Gazerbeam & Vironic not answering was even more tragic since.....Syndrome killed them.
 

Funny Face

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Watched it this morning and would give it a 6 out of 10, I suppose.
I thought it was the Force Awakens of animated movie sequels.
This pretty much hit the nail on the head for me, assuming you mean it was competently made but otherwise lacking due to a reliance on treading old ground, style over substance, and movie tropes. The lack of any suspense or sacrifice might also qualify here. (Clearly, there's one particular instance of sacrifice in TFA, but since I saw it coming a mile away, it didn't elicit much of a reaction from me personally.)

Two other surprising things for me:
1. There wasn't a single joke or situation that elicited even a chuckle out of me. When Edna mentions that she and Jack Jack are made for each other (or something of that nature) the night after babysitting him, that got a smile out of me. But other than that one joke, the humor fell completely flat.
2. As much as I love Bob Odenkirk and Jonathan Banks, it felt like they were just playing their characters from Better Call Saul. Really took me out of the movie, and I wish the casting director had chosen two different actors.

One final thought: it was much too long. Not that reducing the runtime by 30 minutes would have necessarily made it better, but I checked my phone for the time at least 30 minutes before the ending.
 

MMarston

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Just came back from seeing it. I think I liked it almost just as much as I did the first one, so I am overall satisfied with it. Pretty glad this finally came out after all these years. Not to mention these were easily my favorite superhero movie action scenes of this year. Yes, more than Infinity War -- sorry. The motorbike scene in particular was the raddest shit and really took full advantage of Elastigirl's powers and personality. Oh, and Giacchino really did it again with this soundtrack, whew.

I will say though that there's something about Bob and family arch that doesn't really mesh together well. The arrangement of storyline beats is a kinda off and sometimes an important scene can feel random because of that even though it really isn't. This particularly in the case for Edna's scene -- felt like her function towards the Jack Jack problem should've been introduced earlier -- and especially Violet's arch. She was much better in this movie than the first movie (although I had a childhood crush on her so maybe I have some 15-year-old bias in my subconscious lol) but it seemed to me that Brad Bird wanted to do more with her and didn't have enough room in the movie to fully realize that.

So I'm not the only one who thought this
Same. I thought maybe I was just projecting but my fiancee noticed it too.
 

Wanderer5

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Been a long time coming, but the wait is finally over, and I thought it was a great follow up to the original. Nice twist to the family drama, and I liked seeing other superheroes and the world building, through maybe the climax to that plot point with superheroes trying to be legal again felt kind of abrupt.

And for a last ditched idea, I thought Screenslaver was pretty alright, through still not close to the awesomeness that was Syndrome. It was going to be extremely hard to top him anyway.
 

Reversed

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I thought the small post-credits stinger was too much unless there's a sequel coming up at most 6 years.

It's good to see the family back, though. Everyone laughed at the water snort gag.
 

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oh my god that diner scene was so fucking good.

and the scene in "screenslaver's" apartment was amazing visually. my theater had a warning up, too, but it was SO good.
 

shintoki

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Syndrome is an all time great villian. Slaver was alright. It's the biggest difference between the films.

Film was fantastic. All the family shit, action scenes, animation was great.
 

SpookyLettuce

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Just watched it last night! This might get a bit long.

So I really liked it, but prefer the first one by far. The action was great and the animation was absolutely gorgeous. Screenslaver was really cool - the whole apartment scene and trippy/flashy fight scene was a big highlight. The best part, like before, was the family and their interactions together, i.e. Violet hugging Bob after he's been trying so hard to be a good dad was really sweet.

But I don't know, this kind of felt like they made a sequel just because people have constantly been clamoring for one. The plot felt pretty similar to the first one, but the characters' arcs this time around didn't feel nearly as well-defined.

Incredibles 1's main plot was the effect of supers having to go into hiding. Particularly on Bob, who has a midlife crisis centered on wanting to relive the glory days, at the expense of not paying enough attention to his family. The first movie's focus on this was clear, and it tied in well with the other characters too (like Violet wanting to be normal and hating how she's different, Dash feeling like he can't be special because he has to hide his powers).

Incredibles 2 feels like it didn't really have a focus. We get Elastigirl starting in a similar position to Bob, as the superhero parent, but we don't seem to get much of an arc for her out of it. Bob kind of has a small arc where he has to adapt to being the stay-at-home parent and Helen being in the spotlight more, but he seems to accept the situation pretty early on and nothing else really comes from it.

In Incredibles 1, Violet learns to be cool with being different, but then here she kind of hates being a superhero all over again because of its repercussions on her personal life. Which could be an interesting plot to see, but it's not given much focus either.

And poor Dash had NOTHING to do in this movie. I liked how in the first one he loves having superspeed, but he feels like he's not allowed to be special because he has to hide who he is, tying into the movie's themes well. Him letting loose with his powers by running on water was one of my favorite scenes in Incredibles 1, but in this one he's just shouting jokes half the time and the most important thing he does is push a button.

I liked the villain's Lex Luthor kind of motivation where she thinks superheroes are a crutch that society shouldn't depend on. But the twist felt pretty obvious from the beginning (especially in their first conversation where she says the parents should have hid out in the safe room instead of calling supers), and her plan felt weird. After the Underminer incident, supers are shown to still be distrusted by the public. Why not just leave things here, if her goal is to maintain distrust towards supers? Why go to the trouble of building them up in the public's good graces to just tear them down again anyway?

Speaking of the Underminer, the opening for the movie felt weird too. I just rewatched Incredibles 1 the night before to get hyped for 2, and the ending gives the impression that supers are set to come out of hiding. They defeat Syndrome's robots even though there's a bunch of property damage in the city, but the crowd still applauds them and their lawyer thanks/congratulates them. So for things to turn right around so the public still hates supers at the beginning of this movie felt like whiplash.

The pacing for the movie was also really odd, like there was never time to breathe. I felt it a lot towards the end after they stop the cruise ship, and then Elastigirl launches right into a line about missing Jack Jack's first powers. It felt like the movie was afraid we'd get bored so it just kept going at a frantic pace.

I don't know, maybe it'll improve on a rewatch, which tends to happen for me for a lot of movies. I still think it was executed really well overall, but a lot of it was kind of a letdown for me, especially character-wise. I didn't expect it to be as good as the first one was, but beyond a few cool or touching moments, I don't think it even got close.
 

Shadownet

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I quite enjoy Screenslaver honestly. It's nice to sometimes see a villain that uses intelligent to mess with the heroes instead of brute force. Screenslaver kinda got a bit of that Scarecrow/Mysterio vibe going on. I dig it.
 

Maximo

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I quite enjoy Screenslaver honestly. It's nice to sometimes see a villain that uses intelligent to mess with the heroes instead of brute force. Screenslaver kinda got a bit of that Scarecrow/Mysterio vibe going on. I dig it.

It was nice that both the main protagonist of the story and the villian were both women too.
 

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I felt like a kid watching this. I had a smile from ear to ear nearly the whole time. This movie was an absolute delight. Funny with great action sequences. Blows the rest of this year's superhero fare out of the water. It might honestly be my favorite movie of the year so far .
 
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I quite enjoy Screenslaver honestly. It's nice to sometimes see a villain that uses intelligent to mess with the heroes instead of brute force. Screenslaver kinda got a bit of that Scarecrow/Mysterio vibe going on. I dig it.
Eh. Slapping her hypno-glasses on Elastigirl didn't show me she's intelligent. It tells me she's intelligent in the way that she makes a bunch of tech and stuff, but Syndrome makes a bunch of tech and stuff. He was intelligent as fuck because he preyed upon dozens of supers and their desire to get back into the spotlight by tricking them with a fake job that only led to their downfalls. Screenslaver had no such villanous feat.
 

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Saw it yesterday!

+ Humor worked throughout
+ action sequences were great
+ Jack Jack was wonderful, as was Edna
+ Frozone showed why he's a great hero multiple times
+ some nice adult dialogue moments

- Predictable
- Middle-tier villain
- lots of Exposition at times
- relatively uninteresting execution of the "change the anti-supers law" premise
- Dragged at times
 

Shadownet

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Eh. Slapping her hypno-glasses on Elastigirl didn't show me she's intelligent. It tells me she's intelligent in the way that she makes a bunch of tech and stuff, but Syndrome makes a bunch of tech and stuff. He was intelligent as fuck because he preyed upon dozens of supers and their desire to get back into the spotlight by tricking them with a fake job that only led to their downfalls. Screenslaver had no such villanous feat.
You realize Screenslaver was doing almost the exact same thing as Syhdrome right?

Syndrome = luring Mr. Incredible out of retirement and putting him on a false job that actually work towards on destroying heroes completely.

Screenslaver = luring Elastigirl into the spotlight and create a game for her to play, pretend to be defeated to lure all the world's heroes into a ship to stage and event that would ruins superhero's credibility and making them illegal forever.

Really the only major thing Syndrome has over Screenslaver is the hell of a performance from Jason Lee and his over the top persona akin to the Joker.

Though I think Screenslaver got the better creepiness factor to her.
 
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You realize Screenslaver was doing almost the exact same thing as Syhdrome right?

Syndrome = luring Mr. Incredible out of retirement and putting him on a false job that actually work towards on destroying heroes completely.

Screenslaver = luring Elastigirl into the spotlight and create a game for her to play, pretend to be defeated to lure all the world's heroes into a ship to stage and event that would ruins superhero's credibility and making them illegal forever.
Except Screenslaver was riding off the coattails of her brother, while Syndrome was meticulously able to one-by-one lure supers on the island, making him stronger and defeating them in the process. And we see that first-hand with Mr. Incredible. Screenslaver maybe would have been a bit more impressive if we saw her manipulating her brother to do his socialite thing and put her plan in motion, but all she really did was take advantage of Winston's PR plan and then slap some goggles on Elastigirl when she got smart. It wasn't nearly as a display of her intellect as I would expect. There was no big fast one she was able to pull. What if Elastiglrl had figured out the camera thing in a situation outside of them being in the room together? Would she have been just screwed?
 

vhoanox

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I2 is pretty much more kid-friendly than the first. It dont have anything as shocking and brutal as the cave scene in I1. If Screenslaver is anything like Syndrome, she probably straight up kills everyone in that boat and blames the supers.
 

rude

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I2 is pretty much more kid-friendly than the first. It dont have anything as shocking and brutal as the cave scene in I1. If Screenslaver is anything like Syndrome, she probably straight up kills everyone in that boat and blames the supers.
I thought the ambassador was going to die in the helicopter sequence.
 

Enzom21

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While I loved it, it felt very much like Incredibles 1.5. It was a lot of the same "I hate supers" from the first movie.
I also immediately knew who the villain was.
 
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I2 is pretty much more kid-friendly than the first. It dont have anything as shocking and brutal as the cave scene in I1. If Screenslaver is anything like Syndrome, she probably straight up kills everyone in that boat and blames the supers.
Incredibles 1 also has Mr. Incredible pleading the villain to call of the missiles that are about to kill his wife and two kids and Syndrome's like "no way"
 

Meows

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It was a great movie and I enjoyed the focus on Elastigirl/Mrs. Incredible. She was always the best part of the original movie. More than anything, I enjoyed what a visual spectacle it was and the creative things they chose to do with all the supers and their powers. I think it was probably a mistake to jump immediately following the first movie (this would have made sense if this movie was made ten years ago but feels weird now) and could have been even better if there was some kind of timeskip. Like with Dash in high school and Violet in college or something. That's what I was hoping to see when this was announced. But I still greatly enjoyed what we got and thought it was strongly executed. Hope we get another one at some point.
 

Meows

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I agree with people here saying Dash never really got time to shine in this one compared to the first. He was one of my favorite parts of the first movie so I would have liked to have seen them do something with him.

The villain was good though not as strong as Syndrome. Her conversations with Elastigirl were some of the best scenes in the movie.
 

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How easy is it to watch this movie while closing my eyes for the flashing lights scenes? Is it just one scene or multiple? How much of the screen do the flashing lights take up?
 

Shadownet

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Except Screenslaver was riding off the coattails of her brother, while Syndrome was meticulously able to one-by-one lure supers on the island, making him stronger and defeating them in the process. And we see that first-hand with Mr. Incredible. Screenslaver maybe would have been a bit more impressive if we saw her manipulating her brother to do his socialite thing and put her plan in motion, but all she really did was take advantage of Winston's PR plan and then slap some goggles on Elastigirl when she got smart. It wasn't nearly as a display of her intellect as I would expect. There was no big fast one she was able to pull. What if Elastiglrl had figured out the camera thing in a situation outside of them being in the room together? Would she have been just screwed?
Lol riding off the coattails. she was the mind behind the entire company, they even said so. He's just the businessman. lmao either you missed the nuance of her character or you're just giving her so little credit. She been pulling the strings behind the entire time, even manipulating Winston.

If Mr.Incredible figured out Syndrome plan earlier, would he have been just as screwed?
 
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Lol riding off the coattails. she was the mind behind the entire company, they even said so. He's just the businessman. lmao either you missed the nuance of her character or you're just giving her so little credit.

If Mr.Incredible figured out Syndrome plan earlier, would he have been just as screwed?
Maybe I missed it. But it seemed like she needed him and his ideas and skills for her plan to be a success, and we got nothing in the way of her pushing him in that direction. She felt like barely an agent in the grand scheme of things and it was quite the good luck that she had Winston for a brother.

Kind of a strange thing to say that the guy who's "just the businessman" is not the mind behind the company. Which is... the business.
 
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The scene when ElastiGirl fought Fake Screenslaver in the hypnotic room was so awesome to watch. It was amazingly art directed.
 

MMarston

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Wanderer5

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How easy is it to watch this movie while closing my eyes for the flashing lights scenes? Is it just one scene or multiple? How much of the screen do the flashing lights take up?

There are a few. Most are brief, but there is one scene that is quite big on the flashing lights. Basically covers up most, if not the whole screen and lasts for like a 1-2 minutes.

Could possibly try to be vague or whatever on when a couple of them (one being the huge ass part) happens.
 

Shadownet

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Maybe I missed it. But it seemed like she needed him and his ideas and skills for her plan to be a success, and we got nothing in the way of her pushing him in that direction. She felt like barely an agent in the grand scheme of things and it was quite the good luck that she had Winston for a brother.

Kind of a strange thing to say that the guy who's "just the businessman" is not the mind behind the company. Which is... the business.
There's a scene with Winston and her where she said she's the one that create the technology, and he's the salesman. That he could sell whatever she create.

Hence, she's really the mind behind the company and he's just the face. Without her inventions, there probably wouldnt be a company.
 

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Loved this for the most part. The action scenes in this one top the first easy, the bike scene with Elastigirl is so fucking good. I knew who the villain was about 20 minutes in but I didn't mind that so much; I'm not certain they were trying to make it a twist, there were too many obvious hints.

Only thing I truly didn't like is the supers that were basically mutants (big dude, frog dude, owl dude). Felt so out of place compared to the rest of the characters in terms of design/body shape/etc and didn't seem to fit with the world in general.
 
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Loved this for the most part. The action scenes in this one top the first easy, the bike scene with Elastigirl is so fucking good. I knew who the villain was about 20 minutes in but I didn't mind that so much; I'm not certain they were trying to make it a twist, there were too many obvious hints.

Only thing I truly didn't like is the supers that were basically mutants (big dude, frog dude, owl dude). Felt so out of place compared to the rest of the characters in terms of design/body shape/etc and didn't seem to fit with the world in general.
Agree completely with the second paragraph and am surprised so few have mentioned it. They were baffling. All the other supers we have seen look like regular people.