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What tendency/ideology do you best align with?

  • Anarchism

    Votes: 125 12.0%
  • Marxism

    Votes: 86 8.2%
  • Marxism-Leninism

    Votes: 79 7.6%
  • Left Communism

    Votes: 19 1.8%
  • Democratic Socialism

    Votes: 423 40.6%
  • Social Democracy

    Votes: 238 22.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 73 7.0%

  • Total voters
    1,043
Oct 27, 2017
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Every superpower/potential superpower is a mess right now.

The EU is tearing apart at the seams over Euroskepticism, the long term effects of the recession and liberalization, the refugee crisis etc.

The US is marching headlong into Stupid Fascism and refuses to do anything to ever fix its billion problems. It's (purposefully uneducated) population believes in all sorts of dumbass conspiracy theories like global warming being a hoax.

China and India have potentially nightmarish upcoming demographic problems and nationalism out the wazoo. Not to mention China just cooks the books on a bunch of economic stuff and eventually it will experience a recession/depression and who knows what happens at that point.

Russia is literally just a dying mafia state propping itself up with nukes.

So like what the hell happens to Russia after Putin?
 

Veggen

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China and India are both going to be the new experiments in "how long can you hold off the corrosion of nationalism by just having the most bodies to throw at labor"
With the rise of Xi Jinping, the future of the liberal West ironically depends on the continuing success of the world's most powerful authoritarian state. How this will affect multilateralism going forward will be interesting.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I just want to ask didn't the rise of china begin with W Bush?

Like I feel there's some misplaced rage with china rising

With the rise of Xi Jinping, the future of the liberal West ironically depends on the continuing success of the world's most powerful authoritarian state. How this will affect multilateralism going forward will be interesting.

An unintended consequence of globalism
 

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We're far more educated than 20th century Chinese peasants were, but I could absolutely see a whole ton of nonsensical anti-GMO, pro-wacky-New Age holistic stuff wrecking the agricultural and medical fields in the event of social collapse.

And fiefdoms ruled by megachurch warlords.
You're just describing the present day. LOL.
 

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This is a good old critic of Chomsky, watched now i recommend, and Its Very didadict:

Its a critic against Lenin specialy
 
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You're just describing the present day. LOL.

I mean the US is in slow scale but rapidly increasing collapse, so I suppose so, but at least something is still holding together for now.

So like what the hell happens to Russia after Putin?

He's just going to pull the same stunt he did last time and run again after his next lackey replaces him as president for a term. As for once he's dead? Too far out to predict. If the USSR could undergo De-Stalinization, Russia can undergo De-Putinization, as it's not like his own personality cult is anywhere as strong. Right now he's still popular but that's due to his nationalistic bluster over the last five years or so. Prior to that he had been losing steam due to the economy. We'll see if he can hold out in the long run.

Ah, I see you just started listening to Chapo!

You know, I still don't, but I did start listening to some clips of theirs on YouTube at work just to drown out other people. The Steven Seagal book reading was pretty funny.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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You know, I still don't, but I did start listening to some clips of theirs on YouTube at work just to drown out other people. The Steven Seagal book reading was pretty funny.
The episode right before you posted that had a section about evangelicals with the same sort of conclusion lol, you should look up their reading of Ben Shapiro's book, it's truly incredible.
 
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Oh, I actually did hear that one too - I had been looking for longer videos since I'm stuck here all day - and it was indeed pretty cringeworthy. I don't know how Ben gets a reputation as being a "smart conservative" when he writes blatantly racist garbage like that (cue that Nathan Robinson article).

Also the Jordan Peterson impersonations. Good God.
 

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West Point graduate who wore Che Guevara T-shirt discharged

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44538404
 

Mr.Mike

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I've been thinking that a lot of America's problems aren't actually about capitalism but just straight up racism. Not racism caused by capitalism, but just racism. Capital would love to be out their educating everyone decently well and accumulating human capital. America is unique among rich countries in how bad it allows schools to get, and it's certainly not because those other rich countries are free of capitalism.
 
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I've been thinking that a lot of America's problems aren't actually about capitalism but just straight up racism. Not racism caused by capitalism, but just racism. Capital would love to be out their educating everyone decently well and accumulating human capital. America is unique among rich countries in how bad it allows schools to get, and it's certainly not because those other rich countries are free of capitalism.

Certainly that's the case, as white supremacy continually causes the white proletariat to shoot itself in the nose to spite the face. That's the prime barrier to the spread of a social democratic system in the US - we know that pretty well due to how popular welfare services were when they were relegated to whites but how everything flipped after the CRA and the media focusing on minority welfare recipients in the later 20th century. But if that hurdle was removed, we would still have I think a rapacious form of capitalism in this country compared to the other first world nations simply sue to how ingrained capitalism is in the American psyche and system as part of its national identity. Even when politics were explicitly for and by whites in the 19th century, the labor movement was never as advanced here as it got elsewhere. Recall how quickly Americans desired to relapse into "normalcy" by voting in laissez faire Republicans following the Progressive decade and WWI.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I've been thinking that a lot of America's problems aren't actually about capitalism but just straight up racism. Not racism caused by capitalism, but just racism. Capital would love to be out their educating everyone decently well and accumulating human capital. America is unique among rich countries in how bad it allows schools to get, and it's certainly not because those other rich countries are free of capitalism.
Does this bear true in terms of trajectories of education spending? Large cuts in spending have been the norm across pretty much the whole developed world. Has education been spared from that in non-America?

Certainly that's the case, as white supremacy continually causes the white proletariat to shoot itself in the nose to spite the face. That's the prime barrier to the spread of a social democratic system in the US - we know that pretty well due to how popular welfare services were when they were relegated to whites but how everything flipped after the CRA and the media focusing on minority welfare recipients in the later 20th century. But if that hurdle was removed, we would still have I think a rapacious form of capitalism in this country compared to the other first world nations simply sue to how ingrained capitalism is in the American psyche and system as part of its national identity. Even when politics were explicitly for and by whites in the 19th century, the labor movement was never as advanced here as it got elsewhere. Recall how quickly Americans desired to relapse into "normalcy" by voting in laissez faire Republicans following the Progressive decade and WWI.
I think this is broadly correct but leaves out a couple of key elements, particularly the racial progress made by the New Deal even in the 30s (the jump in support FDR received between '32 and '36 is pretty insane and I'm not really aware of any demographic shifting their partisan identity that much that quickly at any other point in American history). An underrated element of FDR's presidency is also the Good Neighbor Policy, which attempted to foster pan-American goodwill and was pretty successful until it was abandoned in the Cold War. I'm also not an expert on Gilded Age politics but I don't think the laissez faire nature of American politics prior was a particularly unique even if it might have been more extreme. Austerity was considered the appropriate response to the Great Depression by most countries barring the US after all.

Of course, though, racism often watered down the New Deal relative to other social democratic programs, hence our outrageous healthcare system and lack of paid parental leave.
 

Mezentine

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really try not to be a "human nature" guy, but I look at the heartless reactions and even glee that I see expressed towards the current child separation policy and I just despair a little. Like...fuck...if a significant chunk of the population can support that, how do we ever safeguard against the capacity for such cruelty being exploited to undermine and destroy us?
 

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Yeah, it's not "human nature", it's individual people.

But as above the capitalism v racism part, as discussed in this thread, Capitalism always requires a scapegoat. If not people of "inferior races" then it will move on to someone/something else.
 

Mezentine

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Its not that I think that all people are secretly deep down capable of endorsing absolute cruelty. Its that I think in any population a statistically significant chunk of them will be, and it feels like they're always going to be corrosively working at any society and I don't know what we do about it. Sooner or later it feels like they're always going to get a win.

I think a lot of us have, consciously or subconsciously, internalized some of the "democratic ideals" of "if you enjoy majority support than you have power and can set the agenda" but...if even 25% of the population actively wishes to put people in camps, that's a lot of people and they're going to have influence in the political sphere and I don't know how we tolerate that
 

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but...if even 25% of the population actively wishes to put people in camps


Form over Content.

Many people are capable of intolerable cruelty and then seek justification for it after the fact. Tankies seem to have the same authoritarian police state fetishism that Fascism has. Except Fascism throws the Jewish in prison simply for being Jewish, Tankies throw the Jewish into prison for being "bourgeois".

The content is, ultimately, the same. But the "form" is different, and in a society that is ruled by advertising, what you front as is more important than what you actually do.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Re: the DC restaurant protest and blocking Portland ICE: While this isn't and shouldn't be anyone's main concern right now, I do wonder how the anti-leftist liberal crowd processes leftists doing more to directly resist Trump than they are. Probably by ignoring the leftist angle, if Charlottesville is any indication.
 

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Re: the DC restaurant protest and blocking Portland ICE: While this isn't and shouldn't be anyone's main concern right now, I do wonder how the anti-leftist liberal crowd processes leftists doing more to directly resist Trump than they are. Probably by ignoring the leftist angle, if Charlottesville is any indication.
They process it by co-opting it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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They process it by co-opting it.

well, yeah.

I've seen a few dumb tweets along the lines of "I bet they voted for Jill Stein" or "why focus on DSA when there are other groups doing direct action against ICE" (the latter of which is obviously true, but I don't imagine most of them are that much more in line with the donut emoji crowd than DSA is), but it's pretty toothless stuff on the whole. mostly, they're either trying to coopt it or ignoring it entirely
 

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well, yeah.

I've seen a few dumb tweets along the lines of "I bet they voted for Jill Stein" or "why focus on DSA when there are other groups doing direct action against ICE" (the latter of which is obviously true, but I don't imagine most of them are that much more in line with the donut emoji crowd than DSA is), but it's pretty toothless stuff on the whole. mostly, they're either trying to coopt it or ignoring it entirely
DSAs actions probably led to the EO that just got signed, but liberals here won't try to acknowledge that. It's frustrating but as long as some good is being done, I can swallow it.
 
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Stoya had an interview with Jezebel. Had some interesting stuff but I've cut it down to the socialisty bits.

Are you tired of being asked about feminism in porn? That is my meta way of asking you about feminism in porn, I guess.

I am so tired of being asked about feminism in porn! I can't believe that I am taking the giant career risk of saying to Tracy Clark-Flory, no less, at Jezebel, that I am tired of this. But it's the truth! And I am a risk-taker.

Oh, yes, surely that's a huge career risk [laughing].

No, it really is. So there's two things. One, I increasingly believe there can be no real feminism under capitalism. Like, we can do all the information-sharing and protecting each other and covering each other's backs and solidarity over women's issues—like the issues that women regularly encounter, things like that. But as long as capitalism exists in the form that it currently does, these structural problems that cause women trouble are not going to go away.

I would point you to the Serbian rapper, Mimi Mercedez, she's my favorite authority on that subject—coming from a society that didn't have capitalism the way that we do in America, I think gives her a very interesting perspective. But it's basically, like, women get paid less than men, generally speaking on average, and when you dig behind that, it boils down to, well, we've got this system that treats people as dollar-generating machines instead of humans. And then, okay, we've got some weird patriarchal ideas about men being more productive or something—but, like, is it really a win for women, if we prove that we can be just as productive to the detriment of health and our social bonds as a man can? That just all totally strikes me as the wrong direction.

Feminism has always been "we need feminism to correct for patriarchy," and increasingly I feel like, actually, we just need to treat each other as individual humans. Feminism can sometimes be excluding to trans people, to male allies, to sex workers, to women of color. Having looked into all that history and being aware of it, and being also aware of the times that I've been thinking too much about women and neglected to think about another group, it doesn't really work so hot for me anymore.

I've always tried to be very clear about my work not being feminist. The only thing that can be remotely considered feminist is, like, a woman going to work, being paid a decent wage, and having a life under capitalism. But anything other than that is a bit of a stretch, and also a disservice to the actual feminist pornographers. There is definitely a lot of focus in my work on the state of sex work, and the history of it, and there's aiming towards human connection and an accurate portrayal of human sexuality, but its not feminist.

So for multiple reasons, the feminism-in-porn thing, I'm over it. I'm over it, and I would like to point you to a list of women who are not over it at all, and are actively thinking about it and are doing actively feminist things. I'd add Ovidie, Candida Royalle, if you wanna go back in time a little bit—and Madison Young is another one. Erika Lust's company is a great hub to find feminist stuff, or stuff that fits with feminist values.

So you're over it, but you value what those people are doing or have done.

I am so fucking grateful that all the second wave feminists fought those battles, so I could be like, "Yeah I could try to be a doctor or lawyer, but I'm gonna do this thing that's interesting to me." Because of the work of women like Ovidie, I'm able to just make a porno that's about being porno, or about sex work. And that wouldn't be possible without the work of so many feminists. Not to mention Emma Goldman is just a general badass.

http://jezebel.com/stoya-is-over-talking-about-feminist-porn-1826771529/
 

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Reading through some of the interview... this guy went up to her at a convention and asked if it's creepy if he found pornstars' legal names, researched what high schools they went to, and got their yearbooks to sign... uh yeah, that's fucking creepy.
 
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DSA comrade Allison Hrabar was getting the treatment from the conservative news outlets today due to her participation in the Nielsen protest. Not to put the blame on her, but remember to use a pseudonym if you get involved and speak with the press.
 

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I was carrying bags of peat moss around recently and learned what sphagnum was when I looked it up.