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McScroggz

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Jan 11, 2018
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I think that those things I wrote ..pushed more than any exclusive

Fair enough. We just have a difference of opinion. I've been on this, and the old site for almost ten years and I cannot remember anybody ever mentioning the PS3 selling because it was hacked - event he hacking of it is practically never mentioned. Respectfully, I think that's far fetched.

As to the online being free, while that's possible I suppose, we also have to consider that the original Xbox essentially pioneered online gaming on consoles, modernized it with Halo 2, and through the Halo franchise played an incredibly important role in multiplayer becoming what it is today. Furthermore, the Xbox 360 launched before the PS3. And, while I have idea what numbers exist, it was generally understood that because of the above reasons and a better online infrastructure and implementation of features multiplayer games were generally more common for the Xbox 360. So while some people might have gotten a PS3 instead of an Xbox 360 because of the free online, I certainly don't think it contributed significantly so.

Really, while I don't think it's any one reason, the simplest explanation is Sony had more exclusives, a wider variety of exclusives and better exclusives. Obviously better is subjective, but broadly it's fair to say that in the larger discussion of how Sony's exclusives must have played a role.
 

LifeLine

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Oct 25, 2017
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A subscription service with multiple monthly episodic games created by amazing creators like Ninja Theory, mixed with big AAA multiplayer titles. If that's the future of Xbox First Party then like Nintendo with the Switch they've carved out a unique niche.

I could see buying a PS5 for the big single player games that Sony makes and a Xbox 2 for the netflix of gaming.

But with Microsoft focus on streaming and PC, it seems like it will be eaiser than ever to get into the game pass ecosystem without buying another console.
 

Guaraná

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Oct 25, 2017
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XBox needs exclusives. Right now Sony crashes MS when it comes to 1st party content and third party exclusives. Unless Microsoft really changes that, Xbox will keep being a distance follower. And now that Nintendo is focusing on one segment only, Microsoft's console might even be in a worst position.

Not because it's a bad product, but because there's no real reason to own an XBox.
 

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But are you suggesting that someone else would?





What's disturbing is the attack on a writer's integrity over your favorite piece of plastic... or one you want to see fail.
No? I was just responding to the poster saying Ryan McAffrey is going to write a negative piece about Xbox when their next console releases. He wont.
 

ForgedByGeeks

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Will never happen, especially after the One fiasco. The 360 made some strides there, but was soon swallowed by a late-to-the-party, overpriced, over-engineered and badly marketed PS3! Whatever modest goodwill they had been able to garner is long gone now...

This is what we call wishful thinking.

The reality is that many companies, including Microsoft, have come back from even worse situations.

As a simple example, take Bing. Its predecessor MSN Search had about 30% market share at its peak. By the time Bing launched, it was down to 6.5% and no one had ever taken any market share from Google. Now Bing has 24% market share, is profiting billions per year and is still taking a couple percent of market share from Google every year reliably.

Things can change and frequently do. If they didn't, Apple would be out of business and we would all be using either Blackberry, Symbian, or Windows Mobile devices.
 

Issen

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Nov 12, 2017
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I don't know about the rest of Europe, but Xbox 360 sold surprisingly well in Spain and even today it has a decent mindshare, even if people ultimately decided avainst buying it. A rebound here is actually pretty achievable given the right circumstances when Scarlett releases.
 

Xeontech

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Oct 28, 2017
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Which they don't care about when you buy their games.
I would argue any company that has a product on the Market for sale actually does care about their product sales.

I know the ecosystem and long game argument. I just think it's a little backwards when you have a hardware product you're trying to sell in a competitive market.
 

Blade Wolf

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Oct 27, 2017
9,512
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Yes, they are and good luck but remember....

Neither they or Sony won last gen. Nintendo might still win this gen.

Personally I find this highly unlikely since none of the AAA games shown at this E3 are coming to the Switch (BFV, Anthem, DMC5, RE2, Sekiro, Fallout 76, Cyberpunk, Metro, AC:Odyssey, Division 2 etc.)

It's disappointing to say the least, the Switch is basically just first party AAA + indie platform from now on.
 

ForgedByGeeks

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I would argue any company that has a product on the Market for sale actually does care about their product sales.

I know the ecosystem and long game argument. I just think it's a little backwards when you have a hardware product you're trying to sell in a competitive market.

Think of it like this...

Microsoft sells Windows Licenses. For a long time, they sold Windows Licenses to a ton of companies, including many that competed directly with them in other markets like Sony.

If they had cut off some of those companies from buying Windows licenses, it likely wouldn't have immediately hurt sales of Windows, would have reduced mindshare of any company they caught off as well as those companies' profits, and likely helped them in the markets they were also competing with them in.

Doing so though would have caused Windows potential long term harm just for a small potential immediate benefit for another product line. Doing this sort of thing is really bad business. Each product needs to stand on its own.

Likewise, you have Azure. When it first launched it only offered Windows VMs. It now offers more default VM options than any other cloud service, most of which are Linux-based. It wasn't Azure's job to push Windows, it was its job to be a successful cloud service.

With their games, they need to stand on their own and so does the Xbox itself. The teams that make the games will benefit from selling them on PC in addition to Xbox. Doing so does likely hurt Xbox system sales in the short term, but it also exposes many more consumers to the games and the Xbox is always there for them if they ever decide they don't want to participate in the PC Gaming rat race in the future (like happened with me).

Its not worth damaging their games and game brands just to benefit one other product line, especially when letting those games release on Windows also helps improve the Windows product line itself, Surface hardware sales, and makes the Windows Store more appealing for consumers.

So, yes, a company with a product on the market needs to be concerned about the product's sales, but that applies to all of their products.
 

IvorB

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Oct 28, 2017
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And they did, and we all know what happened with the Xbox 360

In my recollection what happened is they launched: a year earlier, 100 bucks cheaper, with a bunch of third-party exclusives, with an easier system for devs with better looking multiplats, against a blundering Sony and still only managed tie-second (or even third?). Doesn't seem like a performance to aspire to.

Anyways, more power to them. Competition is good for everyone, especially if it involves a hardware arms race.
 

El-Pistolero

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Jan 4, 2018
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This is what we call wishful thinking.

The reality is that many companies, including Microsoft, have come back from even worse situations.

As a simple example, take Bing. Its predecessor MSN Search had about 30% market share at its peak. By the time Bing launched, it was down to 6.5% and no one had ever taken any market share from Google. Now Bing has 24% market share, is profiting billions per year and is still taking a couple percent of market share from Google every year reliably.

Things can change and frequently do. If they didn't, Apple would be out of business and we would all be using either Blackberry, Symbian, or Windows Mobile devices.

Not gonna happen with XBox, Sorry. I am willing to bet that Sony will leave them in the dust in Europe come next generation. You are free to think otherwise -though stating that my opinion is the one akin to wishful thinking is rich, to say the least-, but time will tell us who was in the right!
 

Xeontech

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Its not worth damaging their games and game brands just to benefit one other product line, especially when letting those games release on Windows also helps improve the Windows product line itself, Surface hardware sales, and makes the Windows Store more appealing for consumers.

So, yes, a company with a product on the market needs to be concerned about the product's sales, but that applies to all of their products.
Ah, and therein lies the rub, as well as the catch 22.

How do you improve the windows product line itself by letting those games release on Windows, while not damaging your games and game brands when you eliminate exclusives from your product line?

The argument is understandable, but for the xbox division exclusivity side it is absolutely detrimental to the sales of hardware, which is why I call it a bit backwards.

Continuing down this route, in the long run, inevitably leads to the decision to make your software compatible with as many devices as possible, which in the end leads to a third party offering rather than a first party offering, as making your offerings exclusive to a specific 'hardware' platform is in complete opposition to this mindset.

If they want to continue the 'first party console manufacturer' status and path, exclusives are in fact quite important in the long run.
 

ForgedByGeeks

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Ah, and therein lies the rub, as well as the catch 22.

How do you improve the windows product line itself by letting those games release on Windows, while not damaging your games and game brands when you eliminate exclusives from your product line?

The argument is understandable, but for the xbox division exclusivity side it is absolutely detrimental to the sales of hardware, which is why I call it a bit backwards.

Continuing down this route, in the long run, inevitably leads to the decision to make your software compatible with as many devices as possible, which in the end leads to a third party offering rather than a first party offering, as making your offerings exclusive to a specific 'hardware' platform is in complete opposition to this mindset.

If they want to continue the 'first party console manufacturer' status and path, exclusives are in fact quite important in the long run.

You are missing that they can offer games elsewhere and still offer the best in class hardware experience to experience those games on. Arguably they now do this with Windows itself and the Surface line of products.

Just because Windows is also available on other HW platforms, and MS even offers almost its entire product line on other operating systems like iOS and Android, does not also mean that the Surface Product line is going to fail. Contrary, it is slowly but surely they are grabbing market share. A large part of why is because they offer some of the highest quality devices along with the best in class software to run on them even if that same software can be acquired on competing platforms. Part of the reason why Surface is being successful is because people do in fact love MS software and as a result would rather use it on MS hardware.

The same could (we don't have enough data yet) happen with Xbox, especially if you tie in a quality game streaming service that brings all their games to competing platforms. Yea, people would be able to play all of MS's games on everything from Switch and Windows to iOS and Android, but if you want the best experience for the price, you will want an Xbox. As a result, the more people who play their games and love them on other platforms, the more people who should in theory also buy the Xbox for that experience.

Once again, this could be entirely wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it. Just consider for a brief moment. If Netflix were to release its own dedicated streaming box that was dirt cheap and had the best user experience for playing Netflix content, how do you think that would sell? Yea, a ton of people already have HW they can run Netflix on, but I would be they would sell millions of those dedicated systems anyways.
 

ForgedByGeeks

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I think they'll buy Sega and use that brand in Asia for the next Xbox.

Honestly, this is one of the best ideas I have heard.

In some ways, I would say not to even buy SEGA to avoid any potential fan loss from doing so. Just pay SEGA to use their brand on the system in Japan and have them handle marketing/sales of it to Japanese consumers.

If it takes off, after a few years, then look at acquiring SEGA because by that point no one would care.
 

Inuhanyou

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Oct 25, 2017
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They still havent given me a reason to actually bother to return to their ecosystem. All their E3 event showed me was that they actually started giving a basic crap about gaming again after such a public backlash of not having anything relevant to show in the software department for years.

MS might come closer next gen than they did this gen in the US, but that's about it. They will never be a global enough company for most people outside of America to care.
 

The Wraith

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Oct 27, 2017
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Don Mattrick was literally the worst thing to happen to the Xbox brand. Spencer is the man to right the ship. Time will tell.
 

gogosox82

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I can't take an article written by Ryan McCaffery about xbox seriously. Guy is an xbox fanboy full stop.
 

christocolus

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Oct 27, 2017
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I can't take an article written by Ryan McCaffery about xbox seriously. Guy is an xbox fanboy full stop.
Lol. Same can be said about Greg Miller and The Easy Allies guys but you don't see people complaining. Journalists are gamers like us and do have preferences and this article is centered around the changes he has seen or heard so far. And to be fair he isn't the only game journalist saying such positive things about the future of Xbox. At E3 MS sent a very clear message to the fans and industry at large..it is clear they are moving into next gen in a big way.

I'm a big fan of the underdog. Microsoft has been a joy to watch Phoenix from the ashes.
This is so true. I can't even begin to imagine how much money MS must have recently invested in the division. it must be huge if they are still planning more acquisitions.
 

memoso

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Nov 6, 2017
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i think the only thing MS need to start strong the next gen are:

- More "power" than ps5
- Lower price than ps5.
- Don´t fuck up again.

With this 3 things who worked for sony, the Next Xbox will have a very different start than the Xbox one and it only deppend on how much they want to spend (lose per console) to adquire a consumer.
 

Curufinwe

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't understand this. I take articles/talks from Greg Miller serious, even tho he is a big PS4 fan. If someone is a good journalist it doesn't matter what platform he/she prefers.

I don't think you can be called a good journalist if you willingly repeat the bullshit talking points of a company you are covering the way McCaffery and co did back when Xbox executives were tweeting shit like this.

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How big of a TV does Ryan think we need to appreciate 4K resolution? Presumably 100 inches.
 

Fisty

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Oct 25, 2017
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They still havent given me a reason to actually bother to return to their ecosystem. All their E3 event showed me was that they actually started giving a basic crap about gaming again after such a public backlash of not having anything relevant to show in the software department for years.

MS might come closer next gen than they did this gen in the US, but that's about it. They will never be a global enough company for most people outside of America to care.

Yeah I definitely felt that from their E3. There wasn't a single thing presented that made me say "I need an Xbox" so I'm not sure why people are posturing their presentation as their best yet. I mean yeah I appreciate the non-stop "coming soon to every platform" flood in their conference, but I got the distinct impression that they have thrown in the towel on Xbox One (and the X, for that matter) as far as their games are concerned. Nothingburger announcements like game streaming or "future hardware is coming in the future" just looked like dangling keys in front of a bored housecat.
 

Inuhanyou

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Oct 25, 2017
14,214
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Yeah I definitely felt that from their E3. There wasn't a single thing presented that made me say "I need an Xbox" so I'm not sure why people are posturing their presentation as their best yet. I mean yeah I appreciate the non-stop "coming soon to every platform" flood in their conference, but I got the distinct impression that they have thrown in the towel on Xbox One (and the X, for that matter) as far as their games are concerned. Nothingburger announcements like game streaming or "future hardware is coming in the future" just looked like dangling keys in front of a bored housecat.

I agree.
 

Hurting Bomb

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Oct 28, 2017
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XBox needs exclusives. Right now Sony crashes MS when it comes to 1st party content and third party exclusives. Unless Microsoft really changes that, Xbox will keep being a distance follower. And now that Nintendo is focusing on one segment only, Microsoft's console might even be in a worst position.

Not because it's a bad product, but because there's no real reason to own an XBox.
There are plenty of reasons to own an Xbox, especially if you actually like its exclusives.
 

rusty chrome

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Oct 25, 2017
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i think the only thing MS need to start strong the next gen are:

- More "power" than ps5
- Lower price than ps5.
- Don´t fuck up again.

With this 3 things who worked for sony, the Next Xbox will have a very different start than the Xbox one and it only deppend on how much they want to spend (lose per console) to adquire a consumer.
Check out Switch sales despite being "weaker." Most people either just go where the exclusives are or just stick to the platform that's always been good to them. That's it.

Forum posters might be obsessed with counting pixels but the vast majority of the people in the outside world are not. They see a game trailer, a game announcement, and if the game is exclusive, you'd best believe that's the platform they're going to be interested in. Multiplatform games don't sell systems. For example, the average person isn't going to buy an Xbox One X over a PS4 just because a website like Digital Foundry told them the frame rate in one game is slightly smoother on Xbox One X. The average person isn't like this, so the people here patting themselves on the back after announcing which version they're going to get look weird. With most people, chances are always that they'll stick to the console that most of their friends own.
 
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Saint-14

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Nov 2, 2017
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Honestly, this is one of the best ideas I have heard.

In some ways, I would say not to even buy SEGA to avoid any potential fan loss from doing so. Just pay SEGA to use their brand on the system in Japan and have them handle marketing/sales of it to Japanese consumers.

If it takes off, after a few years, then look at acquiring SEGA because by that point no one would care.
You have no idea what you are talking about, SEGA nowdays is nothing, they can't help the Xbox in Japan.
 
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I'd be fine with them getting their shit together and just hitting the US and UK markets. That's all they need. I don't really understand why so many here seem to think they're a failure because the essentially ignore a large portion of the worldwide market. So what, they don't need it. Focus on their core markets with a compelling product and they'll be fine.
 

ForgedByGeeks

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You have no idea what you are talking about, SEGA nowdays is nothing, they can't help the Xbox in Japan.

Sigh...

This is yet another person that fails to understand things like brand value and that brands have different values in different territories. Also, if SEGA agreed to do this, it would likely result in more than just slapping the name on the system.

1) SEGA still has a really strong brand in Japan. While the Saturn was a colossal failure in the world, in Japan it actually did quite well. It became very well known for having great 2D games, including many RPG series you couldn't get anywhere else.

2) SEGA runs a huge chain of arcade centers, numbering about 200 to this day. Yea, they have dropped off a lot since their peak, but in recent years they have been quite popular with exclusive pachinko machines and digital card games you can't play anywhere else including series like Lord of Vermillion and series like IdolM@ster.

3) A brief stroll around Akiba would easily assuage any concerns over the popularity of SEGA with gaming audiences to this day. Pretty much all the major gaming street shops selling both new and legacy products have a dedicated SEGA area in their shops.

Beyond this, if a deal was struck to use SEGA on systems in Japan, it would likely also come with several side benefits that could help sell the system.

1) A ton of legacy games shipped with the system. Basically a Genesis, Saturn, and Master System virtual console in the box.

2) New exclusive games created by SEGA, and likely funded by Microsoft, being made for the system in Japan.

So yea, I don't know what I am talking about :eyeroll:
 

Zok310

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think MS show what they always show, deication to the industry regardless of selling 100 million consoles or 39 million consoles, they stay in it.
One thing that we cant forget is they are taking on a behemoth in the industry, Sony. Most compitition would have folded already under that pressure. And Sony just makes good console pubs look small by comparison.
For the boxers amongst us, you would here the same about Floyd or Pac, they are so good they make the best look like shit.
So good for MS, i hope they come out swinging next gen, keep the fire on Sony's ass.
 

Jobbs

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Ryan McCaffrey is IGN's Executive Editor of Previews and Xbox Guru-in-Chief."
Enough said, although I can agree with some of the points as they were stated by Phil at this years E3.

Is this the guy who said you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p or something back when PS4 and XB1 first came out? I can't remember for sure.

In any case -- good. MS had a good show and I hope they're more competitive next time around. Competition is good.
 

Saint-14

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Sigh...

This is yet another person that fails to understand things like brand value and that brands have different values in different territories. Also, if SEGA agreed to do this, it would likely result in more than just slapping the name on the system.

1) SEGA still has a really strong brand in Japan. While the Saturn was a colossal failure in the world, in Japan it actually did quite well. It became very well known for having great 2D games, including many RPG series you couldn't get anywhere else.

2) SEGA runs a huge chain of arcade centers, numbering about 200 to this day. Yea, they have dropped off a lot since their peak, but in recent years they have been quite popular with exclusive pachinko machines and digital card games you can't play anywhere else including series like Lord of Vermillion and series like IdolM@ster.

3) A brief stroll around Akiba would easily assuage any concerns over the popularity of SEGA with gaming audiences to this day. Pretty much all the major gaming street shops selling both new and legacy products have a dedicated SEGA area in their shops.

Beyond this, if a deal was struck to use SEGA on systems in Japan, it would likely also come with several side benefits that could help sell the system.

1) A ton of legacy games shipped with the system. Basically a Genesis, Saturn, and Master System virtual console in the box.

2) New exclusive games created by SEGA, and likely funded by Microsoft, being made for the system in Japan.

So yea, I don't know what I am talking about :eyeroll:
I mean you once claimed FH is bigger than TLoU, I don't know why you are surprised when someone tells you you don't know what you are talking about.

SEGA have no brand value in gaming anymore, their mighty Sonic only manages to pull 1 million sales on multiple platforms, I'm not sure why are you even bringing pachinko into this when you are talking about them helping Xbox, nothing of what you've listed will do Xbox any good in Japan.
 

supkid

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"We've seen this from Microsoft before. Look at the original Xbox. Microsoft had no realistic expectation of dethroning Sony on their first try, but they were playing the long game. They lost money on every console they sold, but they were getting their foot in the door. And they did, and we all know what happened with the Xbox 360."

Didn't the PS3 recently overtake the 360 in worldwide sales?
 

Fisty

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sigh...

This is yet another person that fails to understand things like brand value and that brands have different values in different territories. Also, if SEGA agreed to do this, it would likely result in more than just slapping the name on the system.

1) SEGA still has a really strong brand in Japan. While the Saturn was a colossal failure in the world, in Japan it actually did quite well. It became very well known for having great 2D games, including many RPG series you couldn't get anywhere else.

2) SEGA runs a huge chain of arcade centers, numbering about 200 to this day. Yea, they have dropped off a lot since their peak, but in recent years they have been quite popular with exclusive pachinko machines and digital card games you can't play anywhere else including series like Lord of Vermillion and series like IdolM@ster.

3) A brief stroll around Akiba would easily assuage any concerns over the popularity of SEGA with gaming audiences to this day. Pretty much all the major gaming street shops selling both new and legacy products have a dedicated SEGA area in their shops.

Beyond this, if a deal was struck to use SEGA on systems in Japan, it would likely also come with several side benefits that could help sell the system.

1) A ton of legacy games shipped with the system. Basically a Genesis, Saturn, and Master System virtual console in the box.

2) New exclusive games created by SEGA, and likely funded by Microsoft, being made for the system in Japan.

So yea, I don't know what I am talking about :eyeroll:

This is a fantastic idea, let me call Microsoft and tell them to go back in time to 2001 and do this so it actually would make any difference at all

Nintendo couldn't even prop up today's JPN console market with the Wii U. SEGA branding on a $500 American console would maybe add 10k sales due to some kind of weird brand confusion, and that's if they named the console Dreamcast 2
 

Psrock1

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Oct 27, 2017
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Games will win, games. MS has the most powerful console, the best software and deals, yet Sony is continuing to increase their lead.
Unless Sony and Nintendo stop making games, I don't see how MS can win any generation
 

Nzyme32

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Oct 28, 2017
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That isn't happening when your console is only focused on the US and the UK, I don't know how these journalists can't seem to understand that, also why the hell are they forgetting Sony's first party? You don't just buy a studio and expect to match Sony in quality, their studio have shown nothing so far suggesting they can do it.

I feel like this is just games journalism in a nutshell (at least from the bigger outlets). These opinion pieces end up much more like vox pops and almost a clickbaity attitude to actual analysis and, well, journalism.
There is a lot to discuss on the topic, but this piece doesn't do much at all.
Regarding Studios, your right; the purchase of a studio isn't guaranteeing quality. At least two of the studio's presented have not actually produced a quality game imo (and popular opinion it seems).
 

ForgedByGeeks

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I mean you once claimed FH is bigger than TLoU, I don't know why you are surprised when someone tells you you don't know what you are talking about.

SEGA have no brand value in gaming anymore, their mighty Sonic only manages to pull 1 million sales on multiple platforms, I'm not sure why are you even bringing pachinko into this when you are talking about them helping Xbox, nothing of what you've listed will do Xbox any good in Japan.

I corrected myself on that, but thanks for beating a dead horse to try to discredit other points indirectly without addressing them. :) Such an awesome debate tactic! Haven't ever seen that one used before.

Also, you are saying it has no brand value in gaming, yet they run the largest chain of gaming arcades, which they provide many games for, in Japan.

Just because Sonic is weak, does not also imply SEGA has no brand relevance in gaming anymore. As an example, SEGA published Fate Grand Order Arcade in Japan which has been one of the highest grossing arcade games in a long time. It is a variation on the mobile game that brought in just shy of $1 Billion in revenue last year.

They also have a ton of legacy franchises that if they got the funding to and were able to either remaster or make new games for could help drive a system's sales.

Sure, it would be hard, but in what world would using the SEGA brand be worse than using the current Xbox brand in Japan?
 

Con Con

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Oct 25, 2017
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Microsoft isnt rolling over and settling for second or third, they're investing in studios and have a defined and clear vision going forward.

Sony's first party is awesome and not slowing down.

Switch has been a surprising success.

What's not to love about next gen? Players of any of the 3 have reasons to be optimistic.
 

jon bones

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Microsoft isnt rolling over and settling for second or third, they're investing in studios and have a defined and clear vision going forward.

Sony's first party is awesome and not slowing down.

Switch has been a surprising success.

What's not to love about next gen? Players of any of the 3 have reasons to be optimistic.


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