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World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth datamining & spoiler thread
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Yeah before release they put out a preview that was almost 1/3 of the book that covered big topics. It was released likely to ensure people who don't read the book can still access the main plotpoints
At this point Sylvanas is worst then fucking Garrash. At least Garrosh retained his honour, and many redeemable qualities, Sylvanas is just a monster. She's become worst then fucking Arthas.
Sylvanas was always trash. Pretty sure making her warchief will end up helping in the long run somehow, though, as a "what a twist" moment. Are undead immune to Old God whispers?
It is so great that they have added music for the game now. Playing on the Beta was weird without having music everywhere. It makes me love Drustvar even more!
I haven't really listened to any of the KT music yet. I still really love the Zuldazar theme. It reminds me of Pandaria in a really good way, but it's still its own thing. It's the bit that kicks in around 1:35 in the login screen music.
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Supposedly. That's why Arthas was able to make everything out of Saronite. Who knows if it was Scourge specific though.
DO NOT TALK ABOUT MY ONE TRUE LOVE LIKE THIS
(i finally finally watched the trailer for BfA and holy shit she is so goddamn cool i want to marry her)
(i will also freely admit that i'm biased, i've always loved the horde)
(i will also be completely frank and say that i think anduin is the most boring leader to ever exist in warcraft)
Anduin's one of the only legitimate peace seeking leaders in either faction with every decision for war weighing heavily on him. He's by far the most unique out of all the leaders so far outside of Bloodhoof.
I agree. Here's a post I made on reddit about why I like him so much:
My Forsaken mage hears C'Thun and Yogg everytime i do their raids so...
Anduin's only potentially interesting quality to me was a partnership with Wrathion, and Wrathion has apparently been abandoned as a plot thread, even though he had the best quest chain of MoP.
He's just an utterly generic pacifistic golden boy without that dichotomy, and the pacifist role was better utilized by Jaina before they ruined her character with a heel turn.
He's just an utterly generic pacifistic golden boy without that dichotomy, and the pacifist role was better utilized by Jaina before they ruined her character with a heel turn.
I figured Wrathion would be used again eventually. He had a small side story going on during WoD that hinted he was up to thing.
I hate the direction they have gone with Sylvanas, but at the same time I also cannot stand Anduin. Giving him Brad Pitt's sex face in the cinematic was the last straw. As dull as a completely evil character like Sylvanas is, the same is true of a perfect Boy Scout character like Anduin. He has zero depth and seems to only exist to demonstrate how amazing humans are and why they should lead the alliance.
As an Eagle Scout I agree, and that's why I nominate the dwarves as the true leaders.
I can't help but to think Wrathion was forgotten because Dave Kosak is no longer one of the leads in WoW's story department. Same way Thrall "retired" right after Metzen left Blizzard.
I hope they explore the Alternate Draenor universe more because its so fucked what happened over there. Seems inevitable with the Light vs Void thing they've got going.
I like to believe Wrathion got put on the backburner due to Blizzard being sad and frightened by wrathion and anduin shippers.
Given that Blizzard is filled with frat bros who insert innumerable gay jokes, I wouldn't be surprised. They'd certainly never do something so interesting as to make them gay.
I'm pretty hyped to go up against Yrel in a future expansion tbh.
After seeing the spoilers for the burning of Teldrassil lead-up quests(and the direct contradictions within), I'm going to make a really crackpot call here and say that we(as players) hate Sylvanas right now because the old gods(and Blizzard in a meta sense) are trying to turn everyone against her.
Teldrassil(and the quests leading up to it) were manipulated far more by the old gods than any of us realize, and the Alliance are seeing(some) acts of war/violence by Sylvanas/the Horde that simply didn't happen(or didn't happen like the Alliance thinks they did). This is an even bigger stretch, but I also think the players may be being deliberately mislead by the novels and in-game quests in a similar manner(perhaps with what exactly happened in Hillsbrad). Sylvanas is an easy target to turn both players and fictional character against - the alliance hates her, a large chunk of her horde doesn't fully trust her(not to mention the fairly recent deposition of another warchief that's fresh in everyone's minds), and neither does the player base. If the other theories are correct and the forsaken are truly immune to old god whispers, then Sylvanas should be enemy #1 of the old gods and may be being targeted by them.
That would make Calia's turn(and the potential for another undead faction) a likely catalyst for someone to discover an old god plot against Sylvanas. I wouldn't expect something like this from the Blizzard we had up through WoD, but there were some pretty clever/interesting turns in Legion, and I think we should expect similar things here.
Teldrassil(and the quests leading up to it) were manipulated far more by the old gods than any of us realize, and the Alliance are seeing(some) acts of war/violence by Sylvanas/the Horde that simply didn't happen(or didn't happen like the Alliance thinks they did). This is an even bigger stretch, but I also think the players may be being deliberately mislead by the novels and in-game quests in a similar manner(perhaps with what exactly happened in Hillsbrad). Sylvanas is an easy target to turn both players and fictional character against - the alliance hates her, a large chunk of her horde doesn't fully trust her(not to mention the fairly recent deposition of another warchief that's fresh in everyone's minds), and neither does the player base. If the other theories are correct and the forsaken are truly immune to old god whispers, then Sylvanas should be enemy #1 of the old gods and may be being targeted by them.
That would make Calia's turn(and the potential for another undead faction) a likely catalyst for someone to discover an old god plot against Sylvanas. I wouldn't expect something like this from the Blizzard we had up through WoD, but there were some pretty clever/interesting turns in Legion, and I think we should expect similar things here.
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Wrathion was also supposed to play a major role in the Highmountain zone quest chain, but that was dumped in beta and replaced with yet another redeemed black dragon who mumbles something about "family matters."
I'm not sure if I'm buying the expansion.. I have no interest in scheduled raiding since I simply can't.. Plus we got Spider Man on the PS4 coming out in early September.. Moving to October till December means even more games... I don't know.
It's not old gods. If it were you'd see tentacles and shit everywhere. Blizz's writing is as subtle as an elephant in a glass store. Blizz just wants the Horde to be baby killing psychos and the Alliance pure and good.
N'zoth isn't « in your face » like the rest of the old gods
LOL at the grasping at straws to excuse the burning of Teldrasil.
If the final event is as we currently see it, it would be entirely consistent with the behavior of Sylvanas we have seen since Cataclysm. She has been performing evil acts ever since then, and we need no old god excuses to explain her actions.
There is no reason to whitewash her actions in this case.
If the final event is as we currently see it, it would be entirely consistent with the behavior of Sylvanas we have seen since Cataclysm. She has been performing evil acts ever since then, and we need no old god excuses to explain her actions.
There is no reason to whitewash her actions in this case.
eehhh. I don't really find some peoples need to have any two single character who have any type if interaction/relationship to become a romantic item particular interesting.
What « evil deed » has she done in Cata, MoP, WoD and Legion exactly
Or... hyperbolic statement is hyperbolic
Converting people to undead without their consent and altering their minds in the process.
Err no that's not how becoming a forsaken works
You get to chose if you accept or refuse and then you go back to beeing dead. So again which evil deed did she perform in those 4 expansions I listed (and please provide at least one per expansion)
You need to go look at the events on Fenris Isle, the frequent use of the plague gasses, her suggestion to raise Alliance dead during the Seige of Ogrimar, and many other instances. Even before Legion she has fantasized about killing her sister and raising her as an undead.
You may have choosen to ignore her evil actions, but that doesn't mean they haven't been there.
Yeah they kinda realized they had a huge problem when the story in Highmountain said Wrathion would have been saved several hundred years earlier...........you know........before the quest chain you can do that has to do with his birth/surviving in one of the remade zones from Cata.
The only character that will come out of this expansion looking as badass, cool, and honorable as he has always been is my main man Varok Saurfang. He's got a plan, he's got the skills, and he is just going to rain hell on people not possessing honor (this includes the perpetually scheming Sylvanas). FOR THE HORDE! (Baine and soon to be Life Loa Vol'jin ;) are a close second and third. Hopefully, Thrall too if they do something interesting with him and he stops being a sad sack).
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Saurfang is awesome. I hope they do something cool with him this expansion.
I want the Horde to have heroes, and I want them to have wins. In fact, I would be fine with them coming out ahead of the Alliance this expansion.
Sylvanas is pretty problematic though. TBH, I would have believed it if the old gods turned out to be behind the burning of Teldrasil. That's what I assumed when I first heard about it.
But that doesn't seem to be what the datamining is suggesting. And what it is suggesting is entirely believable given Sylvanas characther.
TLDR: More Saurfang, less Sylvanas.
I want the Horde to have heroes, and I want them to have wins. In fact, I would be fine with them coming out ahead of the Alliance this expansion.
Sylvanas is pretty problematic though. TBH, I would have believed it if the old gods turned out to be behind the burning of Teldrasil. That's what I assumed when I first heard about it.
But that doesn't seem to be what the datamining is suggesting. And what it is suggesting is entirely believable given Sylvanas characther.
TLDR: More Saurfang, less Sylvanas.
None of those things are inherently evil and the Siege of Orgrimmar quote was an obvious joke she made at the time.
As for Vareesa, she herself entertained the idea before remembering her offspring.
In short you don't really have anything beyond the typical « she's evaaaallll because I said so ».
In my book Gehn did far more despicable shit but I don't see you complain about it (nor will you read me asking for his head).
She's not straight up evil. She's grown desperate and ruthless in her undeath. If theres a better way she'll take it but she won't shirk from playing the part she's been assigned
The preservation of herself, her people, and the horde in that order
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Sylvanas has a problem and it's not one that many realize.
Fear.
She fears what will happen to the Forsaken if they can not replenish their numbers since they can't repopulate like any other race and she fears the darkness that will claim her once she finally dies. It is due to her fear that she acts the way she does and fear makes people do great terrible things. History is full of it, fear of the unknown, of different people that caused people to do some horrible things. It is fear that drives Sylvanas despite the fact she may act brave and not cower in the traditional ways. It causes her to do things she might otherwise never do.
Fear.
She fears what will happen to the Forsaken if they can not replenish their numbers since they can't repopulate like any other race and she fears the darkness that will claim her once she finally dies. It is due to her fear that she acts the way she does and fear makes people do great terrible things. History is full of it, fear of the unknown, of different people that caused people to do some horrible things. It is fear that drives Sylvanas despite the fact she may act brave and not cower in the traditional ways. It causes her to do things she might otherwise never do.
Sylvanas wanting to spread the cancer of undeath, and considering her people a race that needs to propagate despite the cursed nature of their existence, is what nailed the nail in the coffin for me. She's straight up evil and delusional, and it's only snowballed since then.
I still think she'll end up saving the world, though. Because this is Blizzard and that's how they do things. I also hated Illidan and pretty much all of his idiotic actions, and look where he ended up.
I still think she'll end up saving the world, though. Because this is Blizzard and that's how they do things. I also hated Illidan and pretty much all of his idiotic actions, and look where he ended up.