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KtSlime

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,910
Tokyo
I think that the trend of shaking up formulas of games if not only for NPD.
Intlligent System seems to shaking it for Fire Emblem Switch
Game Feaks also for Pokémon Let's Go
Fire Emblem Warriors adds character Swap and some strategy elements.

And some others listened to criticisme for games like Mario Tennis (with a solo RPG mode), Mario Party (return to old formula), Xenoblade Chronicle 2 (return to story focused game) ...

Also Bayonetta 3 should be quite different.

For me it's encouraging for future games like a new Paper Mario that could return to old formula.


Game Freak shook Pokemon Let's Go so hard that 656 of the pokemon fell away. ;)

I think in general all the divisions at Nintendo and their second party developers keep things fresh, and they have been able to do so for a very long time, people who are pretending otherwise are ignoring 35+ years of changes.
 

Skittzo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,037
I think that the trend of shaking up formulas of games if not only for NPD.
Intlligent System seems to shaking it for Fire Emblem Switch
Game Feaks also for Pokémon Let's Go
Fire Emblem Warriors adds character Swap and some strategy elements.

And some others listened to criticisme for games like Mario Tennis (with a solo RPG mode), Mario Party (return to old formula), Xenoblade Chronicle 2 (return to story focused game) ...

Also Bayonetta 3 should be quite different.

For me it's encouraging for future games like a new Paper Mario that could return to old formula.

Well yeah I didn't say it was only EPD, just that it didn't extend to everyone. Kirby for example didn't really seem to get much of a shakeup. Aces did though (arguably). I'm hopeful for Let's GO and Smash even too.

And I don't think listening to fan complaints or returning to old series conventions is the thing the post I responded to was talking about, more like making big changes in a series' formula that fans wouldn't necessarily even ask for, like Cappy in Odyssey and ... everything in BotW.

Also FE Warriors and Bayonetta aren't developed by Nintendo, he was talking Nintendo's developed games, not published.
 

sfortunato

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,740
Italy
The Snack World 3DS vs. Switch: the Switch version is selling comparable to 3DS version and with Summer approaching it might close the gap a little bit.

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Chris1964

Chris1964

SalesEra Genius
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,155
Not much hype outside of the hardcore players. But that is the same with ANY Pokemon game. Most kids didn't even know Sun/Moon were coming out until about a month before. They were busy with Yokai Watch. The hype machine hasn't really even started for most of the target audience.
Since this time preorders will be open for 4 whole months before its release and not the typical 2-3 months window, with Nintendo advertising I'm sure everyone will know this time it's coming out in November a long time before.
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Word of mouth is really killing Gundam. That 90% second week drop is coming.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
2,766
Switch version of captain toad might be a port by EPD Tokyo, but Sushi Striker is by IndiesZero and WarioWare Gold by IntSys (with as always EPD as a supervisor, but not developed in house) if I'm not mistaken?
The core of Sushi Striker was done at Nintendo in-house. One of their female directors came up with the original concept of a game about Sushi. Indiezero was just brought in to help flesh out the idea. WarioWare was also always designed in-house, with Intelligent Systems simply providing programming assistance.
 

silpheed-mcd

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,384
June 21

[NSW] Minecraft
[NSW] The Mahjong
[NSW] The Misshitsu Kara no Dasshutsu: 35 Fateful Enigmas
[PS4] New Gundam Breaker
[PS4] New Gundam Breaker (Build G Sound Edition)
[PS4] New Gundam Breaker (Premium Edition)

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June 22

[NSW] Mario Tennis Ace

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Zedark

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,719
The Netherlands
So, my predictions are:

Hardware:
Switch: 60k
PS4: 30k

Minecraft: 50k
Mario Tenis 80k
Hmm, I think PS4 will be somewhat down week on week actually, considering the days of play ended and I'm not confident that Gundam Breaker will push more than a couple thousand units of hardware, also considering there already has been a Gundam Breaker game on PS4 that might have moved over parts of the fanbase.

My predictions:

Hardware:
Switch 70k
PS4 24k

Minecraft: 105k
Mario Tennis Aces: 130k
New Gundam Breaker: 105k
 

Zedark

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,719
The Netherlands
If the Gundam Breaker sells over 100K, I thind it difficult to see PS4 selling under 25k
Yeah, I kinda feel I am overestimating that one. COMG has it rather high (over 100 pts for the three skus) but amazon has it really quite low (top sku is 16th, not at all high for a PS4 game that just released), so it could very well be lower than what I said. We;ll see tomorrow when the first day sell-through numbers come how well it did day one, and from there I could probably speculate a little bit more accurately.
 

Lelouch0612

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,200
If the Gundam Breaker sells over 100K, I thind it difficult to see PS4 selling under 25k


Week 21, 2018 :

01./00. [PS4] Dark Souls Remastered <Dark Souls \ Dark Souls: Artorias of the Abyss> <RPG> (From Software) {2018.05.24} (¥4.800) - 71.739 / NEW <81,97%>
02./00. [PS4] Detroit: Become Human # <ADV> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2018.05.25} (¥6.900) - 39.548 / NEW
03./00. [PS4] Persona Dancing: All-Star Triple Pack <Persona 3: Dancing Moon Night \ Persona 4: Dancing All Night \ Persona 5: Dancing Star Night> <ACT> (Atlus) {2018.05.24} (¥16.880) - 27.240 / NEW

[PS4] 17.482

Entirely possible imo, especially the week after the Days of Play promotion.
 

Nocturnal

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,321
Octopath already #7 on Amazon.co.jp, doing a lot better on Amazon than on COMG it seems - has been in the top 10 the entire week, demo doing it's job I guess
 

silpheed-mcd

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,384
[UPDATE] Switch physical games, Japan, Summer (44 games)

June 07: Little Nightmares
June 08: Sushi Striker: The Way of Sushido
June 14: GOD WARS: Great War of Japanese Mythology
June 21: The Misshitsu Kara no Dasshutsu: 35 Fateful Enigmas
June 21: The Mahjong
June 21: Minecraft
June 22: Mario Tennis Ace
June 28: Ys VIII : Lacrimosa of Dana
June 28: Death Mark

July 12: Shining Resonance Refrain
July 13: Octopath Traveler
July 13: Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
July 19: Sonic Mania Plus
July 19: Taiko Drum Master: Nintendo Switch Version!
July 19: Closed Nightmare
July 19: 不思議の幻想郷TOD -RELOADED-
July 26: Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Hou
July 26: Rockman X Anniversary Collection 1&2
July 26: Dragon Quest X All in One Package
July 26: Makai Senki Disgaea Refine
July 26: Waku Waku Doubutsu Land
July 26: Daitoshokan no Hitsujikai: Library Party
July 26: Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus

August 02: SaGa : Scarlet Grace - Hiiro no Yabô
August 02: Code of Princess EX
August 02: Pro Yakyuu Famista Evolution
August 02: LEGO: The Incredibles
August 09: Okami HD
August 09: Waku Waku Sweets: Amai Okashi ga Dekiru kana?
August 09: Jake Hunter Detective Story: Prism of Eyes
August 09: Darkest Dungeon
August 09: Layton's Mystery Journey: Katrielle and the Millionaires Conspiracy DX
August 23: My Hero Academia: One's Justice
August 30: Psyvariar Delta
August 30: Little Dragons Cafe
August 30: Tennis World Tour
August 30: Blade Strangers

September 06: Hakuoki Shinkai: Fuukaden
September 06: SNK Heroines Tag Team Frenzy
September 07: NBA 2K19
September 13: Code: Realize ~Bouquet of Rainbows~
September 20: STEINS; GATE ELITE
September 20: ニル・アドミラリの天秤 色ドリ撫子 (Nil Admirari no Tenbin: Teito Genwaku Kitan)
September 21: Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna: The Golden Country



Switch physical games, Japan, Fall (13 games)

September 25/28: FIFA 19
September 27: Dragon Ball FighterZ
September 27: Warriors Orochi 3
September 27: WORK × WORK
September 27: NORN 9 LOFN
September 27: Labyrinth of Refrain : Coven of Dusk
September 27: Valkyria Chronicles 4

October 04: Rockman 11: Gear of Destiny!!
October 05: Super Mario Party
October 25: Beyblade Burst: Battle Zero

November 16: Pokémon Let's Go, Pikachu
November 16: Pokémon Let's Go, Eevee

December 07: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
 

Rellik

Member
Oct 28, 2017
719
So barring some unannounced game we could say that almost all the big hitters for 2018 are already announced. Pokemon Let's Go is probably going to be number 1 for 2018 in Japan but could Smash Bros Ultimate sell more than Monster Hunter World in 2018? Which games could fll the rest of the top 5? Splatoon 2, Kirby... anything else I'm missing?
 
Oct 26, 2017
20,440
So barring some unannounced game we could say that almost all the big hitters for 2018 are already announced. Pokemon Let's Go is probably going to be number 1 for 2018 in Japan but could Smash Bros Ultimate sell more than Monster Hunter World in 2018? Which games could fll the rest of the top 5? Splatoon 2, Kirby... anything else I'm missing?

I think NSMBU Deluxe is coming to Switch in late October.

But for announced games, not sure what else you're missing.
 

Lelouch0612

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,200
So barring some unannounced game we could say that almost all the big hitters for 2018 are already announced. Pokemon Let's Go is probably going to be number 1 for 2018 in Japan but could Smash Bros Ultimate sell more than Monster Hunter World in 2018? Which games could fll the rest of the top 5? Splatoon 2, Kirby... anything else I'm missing?

I think NSMBU Deluxe is coming to Switch in late October.

But for announced games, not sure what else you're missing.

Yokai-Watch 4 might be one game you are forgetting.
 

Lelouch0612

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,200
I don't know how much Splatoon 2 will sell in 2018 but do you see Yokai Watch 4 selling more than Kirby in 2018? (with legs and holiday bumps I expect to see Kirby at least with 750.000 LTD at the end of 2018).

I didn't mention it in my last post, but firstly I think that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will outsell Kirby this year.

Moreover, I am expecting a huge November/December for the Switch, thus the games releasing during that time will benefit from it and YW4 will likely be a December release.

So I am going to say that it has a shot at outselling Kirby, but it is not a sure thing. We'll see first what the game looks like in a week with the reveal.
 

Rellik

Member
Oct 28, 2017
719
I didn't mention it in my last post, but firstly I think that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will outsell Kirby this year.

Moreover, I am expecting a huge November/December for the Switch, thus the games releasing during that time will benefit from it and YW4 will likely be a December release.

So I am going to say that it has a shot at outselling Kirby, but it is not a sure thing. We'll see first what the game looks like in a week with the reveal.

So your top 5 would be something like this?

1.- Pokemon Let's Go
2.- MHW/SB:U
3.- SB:U/MHW
4.- MK8D/YW4
5.- YW4/MK8D

Interesting.
 

Echizen

Member
Oct 27, 2017
597
So your top 5 would be something like this?

1.- Pokemon Let's Go
2.- MHW/SB:U
3.- SB:U/MHW
4.- MK8D/YW4
5.- YW4/MK8D

Interesting.

Splatoon 2 is guaranteed to be in the top five. Between some combination of Pokemon Let's Go, Smash Bros. Ultimate, Monster Hunter World, Kirby Star Allies, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, and Splatoon 2, I don't think there's room for Yo-kai Watch 4 in any top five.
 

Lelouch0612

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,200
So your top 5 would be something like this?

1.- Pokemon Let's Go
2.- MHW/SB:U
3.- SB:U/MHW
4.- MK8D/YW4
5.- YW4/MK8D

Interesting.

You forgot Splatoon 2, so more like :

1/ Pokemon
2/ MHW
3/ Smash
4/ Splatoon 2
5/ Mario Kart

I am pretty confident about this top 5, the only serious contender could be YW4 that might be able to outsell MK8D but that's all.
 

Nocturnal

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,321
M-C Top 10 2018:
1) [PS4] Monster Hunter: World(Capcom) - 2.006.158
2) [NSW] Splatoon 2(Nintendo) - 615.107
3) [NSW] Kirby Star Allies(Nintendo) - 533.672
4) [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe(Nintendo) - 450.303
5) [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey(Nintendo) - 348.562
6) [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild(Nintendo) - 247.094
7) [3DS] Pokemon Ultra Sun / Ultra Moon(Pokemon Co.) - 241.583
8) [PS4] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2018(Konami) - 208.392
9) [NSW] Labo Variety Kit(Nintendo) - 189.720
10) [NSW] Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze(Nintendo) - 171.528


First Tier
1) Pokemon Lets Go
2) Smash Ultimate
3) Monster Hunter World
4) Splatoon 2

Top 4 is set in stone as far as I'm concerned, I don't really see how it's possible for these four games to not end up the best selling games of 2018. The only interesting thing will be the placement - whether Pokemon outsells Smash or vice-versa. In the end Pokemon's earlier release should push it over Smash unless we see Smash heavily bundled for the entirety of December.
Splatoon 2 is able to have some insane numbers for the rest of the year to catch up to MHW. In order for Splatoon 2 to catch up to MHW's known numbers it would have to sell 50K on average for the rest of the year. So far Splatoon 2 has sold about 25K on average for the first 24 weeks of the year with a 55% attach rate. For Splatoon 2 to reach 2M this year it would probably require for the Switch to sell over 5.5M in 2018 in Japan, this would translate to about 36% attach rate for Splatoon 2 during 2018. I think we can probably get a better idea about what to expect for this year after Obon begins and we see what type of shipments are being made to Japan.

Second Tier
5) Yo-Kai Watch 4
6) Minecraft

Expecting both to be close to 1.5M this year, not too sure which one would come out on top but to me these are the two biggest 3rd party games on the Switch from a sales perspective in 2018.

Rest of Top 10 Candidates:
7) Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
8) Dragon Quest Builders 2
9) Kirby Star Allies
10) Mario Tennis Aces
11) Labo Variety Kit
12) Taiko no Tatsujin
 

sinonobu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,027
Judging by how terrible the wom for new gundam breaker is, I expect the game to have little to no legs at all even with decent fw sales.

And man that mahjong game has sick box art... wanna import
 

Lelouch0612

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,200
M-C Top 10 2018:
1) [PS4] Monster Hunter: World(Capcom) - 2.006.158
2) [NSW] Splatoon 2(Nintendo) - 615.107
3) [NSW] Kirby Star Allies(Nintendo) - 533.672
4) [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe(Nintendo) - 450.303
5) [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey(Nintendo) - 348.562
6) [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild(Nintendo) - 247.094
7) [3DS] Pokemon Ultra Sun / Ultra Moon(Pokemon Co.) - 241.583
8) [PS4] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2018(Konami) - 208.392
9) [NSW] Labo Variety Kit(Nintendo) - 189.720
10) [NSW] Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze(Nintendo) - 171.528


First Tier
1) Pokemon Lets Go
2) Smash Ultimate
3) Monster Hunter World
4) Splatoon 2

Top 4 is set in stone as far as I'm concerned, I don't really see how it's possible for these four games to not end up the best selling games of 2018. The only interesting thing will be the placement - whether Pokemon outsells Smash or vice-versa. In the end Pokemon's earlier release should push it over Smash unless we see Smash heavily bundled for the entirety of December.
Splatoon 2 is able to have some insane numbers for the rest of the year to catch up to MHW. In order for Splatoon 2 to catch up to MHW's known numbers it would have to sell 50K on average for the rest of the year. So far Splatoon 2 has sold about 25K on average for the first 24 weeks of the year with a 55% attach rate. For Splatoon 2 to reach 2M this year it would probably require for the Switch to sell over 5.5M in 2018 in Japan, this would translate to about 36% attach rate for Splatoon 2 during 2018. I think we can probably get a better idea about what to expect for this year after Obon begins and we see what type of shipments are being made to Japan.

Second Tier
5) Yo-Kai Watch 4
6) Minecraft

Expecting both to be close to 1.5M this year, not too sure which one would come out on top but to me these are the two biggest 3rd party games on the Switch from a sales perspective in 2018.

Rest of Top 10 Candidates:
7) Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
8) Dragon Quest Builders 2
9) Kirby Star Allies
10) Mario Tennis Aces
11) Labo Variety Kit
12) Taiko no Tatsujin

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe should be in the second tier. The game almost sold 500k in the quietest half of the year, there is little doubt that its yearly sales should be above 1300k.
 
Oct 26, 2017
13,610
Is this the same "THE" series on DS? They made like 20 of those games.

The, um, THE series are basically the old Simple Series games that were these nifty budget titles that could come in all shapes and sizes. In fact, I believe it was the origin of Onechanbara and Earth Defense Force on PS2 before they became their own more proper franchises.

I think they still put out these kinds of games on virtually all systems to this day. However, they usually don't expand to more than a couple of games, and they always seem to begin with a Mahjong game.
 

TLZ

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,332
What an absolutely rubbish week. The Switch hardware got a nice boost though.

And what's up with that Xbox X sudden jump? 10x the usual.
 

Ryng™

Member
Nov 2, 2017
3,641
Italy
Smash Ultimate should be able to sell 2.5-3 million at retail this year. Monster Hunter World has huge digital sales but at retail it won't beat Smash.

I agree that this TOP 4 is almost guaranteed:

1) Pokemon
2) Smash
3) MHW
4) Splatoon

The rest of TOP 10 will be a surprise. However, ad for now, i think Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will be TOP 5.
 

klanar

Member
Jun 9, 2018
398
Smash 3ds released on september 13th which has 3 and a half months of sales

Smash switch has a month but has more selling power because its during the busiest time and switch software has been doing better than 3ds i think
 

Aters

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
7,948
The, um, THE series are basically the old Simple Series games that were these nifty budget titles that could come in all shapes and sizes. In fact, I believe it was the origin of Onechanbara and Earth Defense Force on PS2 before they became their own more proper franchises.

I think they still put out these kinds of games on virtually all systems to this day. However, they usually don't expand to more than a couple of games, and they always seem to begin with a Mahjong game.
TBH I'm kinda impressed by the versatility of the dev, or maybe they are made by different teams?
 

JJConrad

Member
Nov 3, 2017
671
I don't see MK8D making the Top 5 this year. It's notably behind MK7 in its second year and MK7 ended at only 822k for that year. While I expect 8 to close that gap on 7, like 7 it'll likely still get squeezed out of the big-big holiday boost from all the other new games (and other Mario-themed multiplayer games) out by then.
 

Vinnk

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,969
Japan
TBH I'm kinda impressed by the versatility of the dev, or maybe they are made by different teams?

There are hundreds of games in the simple series. It has it's heyday on the PS2. Lot's of different devs (Tamsoft of Onechanbara fame is one) and tons of great ideas. I guess these games could be called "Single A" or "B tier" at best but there are so many unique ideas. Some of my favorites are:

The Daibiji (Shoot down this Godzilla like bikini girl destroying the city)
Ambulance vs. Zombies (Exactly what it sounds like)
The Miniskirt Police (again exactly what it sounds like)
he Splatter Action
etc.

But the series kind of ended after PS2. They tries a few with the Wii. A few with the DS. A single title on the WiiU. 2 on the Vita. I think they made a few for PS3 and PS4 but they were (I think) download only.
 

Aters

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
7,948
There are hundreds of games in the simple series. It has it's heyday on the PS2. Lot's of different devs (Tamsoft of Onechanbara fame is one) and tons of great ideas. I guess these games could be called "Single A" or "B tier" at best but there are so many unique ideas. Some of my favorites are:

The Daibiji (Shoot down this Godzilla like bikini girl destroying the city)
Ambulance vs. Zombies (Exactly what it sounds like)
The Miniskirt Police (again exactly what it sounds like)
he Splatter Action
etc.

But the series kind of ended after PS2. They tries a few with the Wii. A few with the DS. A single title on the WiiU. 2 on the Vita. I think they made a few for PS3 and PS4 but they were (I think) download only.
Thanks, gonna have to take a look at The Miniskirt Police, sounds way too much fun.
 

Rob2K19

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,646
You know why I'm here.

*Summons KH3 at E3*

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ORE WA KH3 NO KOKA HATSUDO!

Tracker said:
19./47. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 + II.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts \ Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories> \ Kingdom Hearts HD II.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts II \ Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ \ Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep>> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.03.09} (¥6.800) - 2.324 / 153.836

Better tracker said:
13./00. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 + II.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts \ Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories> \ Kingdom Hearts HD II.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts II \ Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ \ Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep>> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.03.09} (¥6.800) - 4.150 / 160.674 <80-100%>

Superior tracker said:
11 27 PS4 キングダム ハーツ -HD 1.5+2.5 リミックス- スクウェア・エニックス 17/03/09 4,775 164,84

MONSUTA DE WA NAI! KAMI DA!!!

KH3 HANDO INPAKUTO!
 

hiska-kun

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,410
First Day Sell-through {2018.06.21}

[PS4] New Gundam Breaker # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥7.600) - 30%, it's over

[NSW] Minecraft <ADV> (Microsoft Game Studios) (¥3.600) - 20%, it might outsell Tennis
 
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