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jviggy43

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,184
well the very first scene was kind of good
The one where a guy can't hear a Trex coming right up on him, then starts laughing as he gets away from nearly being eaten? Idk about that. I genuinely can't say I enjoyed a single thing about this movie. Also I was hella pissed when they ran the "this is the biggest civil rights issue of our time" with fucking dinosaurs.

$800 million to resolve all the lawsuits arising out of the first Jurassic World strikes me as...conservative.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard that and was like.....man they must have some good lawyers lol
 

Vishmarx

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,043
The one where a guy can't hear a Trex coming right up on him, then starts laughing as he gets away from nearly being eaten? Idk about that. I genuinely can't say I enjoyed a single thing about this movie. Also I was hella pissed when they ran the "this is the biggest civil rights issue of our time" with fucking dinosaurs.

what i find funny about that is that they didnt even save enough to fill a sectiong of the zoo lol. based on trevorrow's comments i thought dinos would be pushing humans to the brink in part 3 but theres like 10-15 odd dinos that are now out and they dont even have mates. practically theyll be captured in 15 minutes tops and im not sure where they go from there. its obvious they cant even reproduce by themselves (jp said they were able to change genders iirc and not reproduce asexually)
 

jviggy43

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,184
what i find funny about that is that they didnt even save enough to fill a sectiong of the zoo lol. based on trevorrow's comments i thought dinos would be pushing humans to the brink in part 3 but theres like 10-15 odd dinos that are now out and they dont even have mates. practically theyll be captured in 15 minutes tops and im not sure where they go from there. its obvious they cant even reproduce by themselves (jp said they were able to change genders iirc and not reproduce asexually)
Right? I was wondering that myself. Theres like 15 dinosaurs out in the wild now and I'm pretty sure our military would stomp that out in a matter of hours if not days.

Another thing I found odd was when they captured Owen and Claire in cages they were like "no one is ever going to know you didn't die on the island" and I thought to myself, so why are you keeping them alive at all right now? Why don't you just kill them, why are you keeping them captured?

I mean I can't say i expected it to be good but I either wanted some good scenes or at least be so bad that I could laugh my way through. But it ended up just being boring. Those damn trailers spoiled the entire movie.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
The fucking trailers for this. I can't believe the giant creature in the water was one of the final shots of the movie and they showed the lion scene in a commercial.

Don't show scenes from the final 2 minutes of a film in trailers.
 

ElBoxy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,138
Only Trevorrow could be so much of a hack as to write that "they're alive like me" sequence.

Especially since her being a clone is given fuck all of significance to the movie. A couple splots of remarkably lazy foreshadowing, a quick reveal, and a verbalized recap of the reveal 15 minutes later, while literally never once establishing what any of it means for her, how she feels about it, the greater implications, etc.. I don't use the word "amateur" lightly, but that exactly what this movie is. It would get torn to shreds in any 100-level writing course at a barely-accredited school.
Her being revealed to be a clone left me with the biggest, "Why?" It's like Colin couldn't be satisfied with weaponized dinosaurs. It doesn't help that this has nothing to do with dinosaurs, the one thing that people go to see these in these movies. No one cares if the same technology could clone humans. It's just a thing that the movie confirms can happen and doesn't bother to go deeper with it. It's so pointless.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Her being revealed to be a clone left me with the biggest, "Why?" It's like Colin couldn't be satisfied with weaponized dinosaurs. It doesn't help that this has nothing to do with dinosaurs, the one thing that people go to see these in these movies. No one cares if the same technology could clone humans. It's just a thing that the movie confirms can happen and doesn't bother to go deeper with it. It's so pointless.

I'll have to disagree on this one. I heard a group of people behind me talking during the credits about how Maisie being a clone was a great twist, specifically because it makes complete sense that this technology would have been used on a human by someone after all this time. I pretty much agreed. I thought it was a solid twist.
 

Vishmarx

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,043
Right? I was wondering that myself. Theres like 15 dinosaurs out in the wild now and I'm pretty sure our military would stomp that out in a matter of hours if not days.

Another thing I found odd was when they captured Owen and Claire in cages they were like "no one is ever going to know you didn't die on the island" and I thought to myself, so why are you keeping them alive at all right now? Why don't you just kill them, why are you keeping them captured?

I mean I can't say i expected it to be good but I either wanted some good scenes or at least be so bad that I could laugh my way through. But it ended up just being boring. Those damn trailers spoiled the entire movie.
The whole premise of bringing them on the island was stupid. You couldnt find one person who had biometric access, like the construction crew or someone besides the person who running the park? and why was owen needed if they were gonna shoot blue? you had 100s of soldiers and you couldnt find a single raptor?
wouldnt it make far more sense to capture owen to tame the indoraptor since they mentioned it needed a mother and its kind of a clone of blue? or were they hoping blue would adopt indoraptor in which case, why the shit would he be listening to them and not owen indirectly? because he had some laser training?
 

ElBoxy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,138
I'll have to disagree on this one. I heard a group of people behind me talking during the credits about how Maisie being a clone was a great twist, specifically because it makes complete sense that this technology would have been used on a human by someone after all this time. I pretty much agreed. I thought it was a solid twist.
Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. Is human clones gonna be a focus alongside dinosaurs in the sequel? Are we The Island now? If the little girl is just a one-off clone and it never gets brought up again, that's bad.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should.

I mean, that's the theme of the entire series.

Is human clones gonna be a focus alongside dinosaurs in the sequel? If the little girl is just a one-off thing and it never gets brought up again, that's bad.

I'm sure it would be addressed again in the sequel. That doesn't mean there needs to be other clones. Her existence is to show us how far these people are willing to go to screw with nature.
 

jviggy43

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,184
The whole premise of bringing them on the island was stupid. You couldnt find one person who had biometric access, like the construction crew or someone besides the person who running the park? and why was owen needed if they were gonna shoot blue? you had 100s of soldiers and you couldnt find a single raptor?
wouldnt it make far more sense to capture owen to tame the indoraptor since they mentioned it needed a mother and its kind of a clone of blue? or were they hoping blue would adopt indoraptor in which case, why the shit would he be listening to them and not owen indirectly? because he had some laser training?
Yeah I found the two intern characters to be hilariously shoehorned into that mission. Like you paid millions of dollars getting this army to the island but you didn't bring a medic or a technician to deal with any problems that are inevitably going to arise? You had to go to the non profit save the dinosaurs organization for that?

The humor from the hacker guy was just awful too. The marvel esque humor really needs to be restrained because in movies like this, youre significantly undermining the tension of each scene when we see a character screaming like a looney toon every time a dinosaur is on screen.
 

Vishmarx

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,043
Yeah I found the two intern characters to be hilariously shoehorned into that mission. Like you paid millions of dollars getting this army to the island but you didn't bring a medic or a technician to deal with any problems that are inevitably going to arise? You had to go to the non profit save the dinosaurs organization for that?

The humor from the hacker guy was just awful too. The marvel esque humor really needs to be restrained because in movies like this, youre significantly undermining the tension of each scene when we see a character screaming like a looney toon every time a dinosaur is on screen.
Which reminds me, good god that scene with the indoraptor pretending to be unconscious was so fucking cartoony . Who approved of that crap. I thought that was supposed to be a tense scenario.
 

LilWayneSuckz

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Oct 25, 2017
2,820
I mean, that's the theme of the entire series.



I'm sure it would be addressed again in the sequel. That doesn't mean there needs to be other clones. Her existence is to show us how far these people are willing to go to screw with nature.

I mean, the sequel is apparently setting up some sort of "dinosaurs are now the dominant species"
(even though they released like 12 dinosaurs of different species)
, are they really going to have the time to explore human clones with whatever conflict they've manufactured with the dinosaurs?
 

jviggy43

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,184
Which reminds me, good god that scene with the indoraptor pretending to be unconscious was so fucking cartoony . Who approved of that crap. I thought that was supposed to be a tense scenario.
Genuinely couldn't tell if that thing was actually smiling or if it just looked that way. The guy getting into the cage for like no reason at all (gotta make me my necklace!) was one of the few highlights for me since it was so dumb it was entertaining.

Also owen turning the lights off vs a genetically modified dinosaur trained to hunt its prey.
 

poptire

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
9,993
So if the events of the first Jurassic World hadn't happened the entire functioning park would've been consumed by lava just three years later. Doesn't seem like a good investment to build a park on an active volcano.
 

ElBoxy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,138
Why couldn't Claire just free the herbivores and sacrifice the carnivores? That way no one would have to worry about dinosaurs eating people out in the wild. I don't understand why she originally wanted a T-Rex to be free without thinking of the massive consequences.
 

Vishmarx

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,043
Genuinely couldn't tell if that thing was actually smiling or if it just looked that way. The guy getting into the cage for like no reason at all (gotta make me my necklace!) was one of the few highlights for me since it was so dumb it was entertaining.

Also owen turning the lights off vs a genetically modified dinosaur trained to hunt its prey.
lol this movie was a series of facepalms. gutter level animals have lucidum tapetum in their eyes, which allows them to see at night. Youre supposed to be the worlds most badass animal wrangler along with claire who's supposedly a scientist who raised indominus. How the shit can you even imagine a weaponized t-rex raptor built specifically for military stealth ops wont be able to see in the dark ?
 

GAMEPROFF

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,588
Germany
So if the events of the first Jurassic World hadn't happened the entire functioning park would've been consumed by lava just three years later. Doesn't seem like a good investment to build a park on an active volcano.
Tell that to the people who settled around extingushied vulcanos and have to flee when it suddenly became active. This happens in real world, too, the last time was just a few weeks ago.

lol this movie was a series of facepalms. gutter level animals have lucidum tapetum in their eyes, which allows them to see at night. Youre supposed to be the worlds most badass animal wrangler along with claire who's supposedly a scientist who raised indominus. How the shit can you even imagine a weaponized t-rex raptor built specifically for military stealth ops wont be able to see in the dark ?
Proof that you didnt payed attention.

Also, I have the explanation right here: Its a movie.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Tell that to the people who settled around extingushied vulcanos and have to flee when it suddenly became active. This happens in real world, too, the last time was just a few weeks ago.

Not that I think it's a big deal -- because it's a fantasy movie about dinosaurs living among humans -- but to be fair, people "settling" around volcanoes is quite different than a giant corporation building a billion-dollar park on an island with one.
 

ElBoxy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,138
I mean, the sequel is apparently setting up some sort of "dinosaurs are now the dominant species"
(even though they released like 12 dinosaurs of different species)
, are they really going to have the time to explore human clones with whatever conflict they've manufactured with the dinosaurs?
Not if the sequel takes place 10 or 20 years into the future with Maisie being the lead.
 

CommodoreKong

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,713
Just got back from the movie and I wasn't impressed. Jurassic Work wasn't anywhere near as good as park but at least it was dumb fun. This was just dumb and boring.
 

Vishmarx

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,043
Tell that to the people who settled around extingushied vulcanos and have to flee when it suddenly became active. This happens in real world, too, the last time was just a few weeks ago.


Proof that you didnt payed attention.

Also, I have the explanation right here: Its a movie.

im aware indominus was tinkered with behind her back. but night vision isnt some super secret war tech when it comes to animals . Most of them have it. There is absolutely zero reason to believe its something they had to have added in secret.
 

Kirblar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
30,744
The girl being a clone only has relevance with the button scene. its useless otherwise.
 

jviggy43

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,184
Stuckman points out that in the timeline they moved the dinosaurs from one island to one with a volcano when they could have just kept them on the original island without the volcano all along.
 
Jan 31, 2018
1,430
Just saw it. Wasn't bad but pretty predictable. Made a game of which dinosaur was going to eat who and ended up mostly right. Some nice throw backs to the original as well.

But they opened up a several cans of worms that I don't see them addressing all that well, if they do so at all. And a lot of ... questionable writing decisions. Actually, a fair bit was just lazy. Seems like they want to go with a sort of planet of the dinosaurs thing next go around even though they didn't set it up all that well.
 

Mr. Pointy

Member
Oct 28, 2017
5,141
what i find funny about that is that they didnt even save enough to fill a sectiong of the zoo lol. based on trevorrow's comments i thought dinos would be pushing humans to the brink in part 3 but theres like 10-15 odd dinos that are now out and they dont even have mates. practically theyll be captured in 15 minutes tops and im not sure where they go from there. its obvious they cant even reproduce by themselves (jp said they were able to change genders iirc and not reproduce asexually)
I'm pretty sure the 3rd movie is going to revolve around the genetic engineering and cloning of the dinos that got sold and transported away before shit went crazy. Basically Dino Riders.

Although if the 3rd movie was about teenagers getting killed by a velociraptor at Makeout Point like the final shot of the film indicated, then that's fine too.
 

Cuburger

Member
Oct 28, 2017
10,975
I didn't hate it but it was really uneven and had moments that made me want to roll my eyes out of my head.

Some action and suspense was well done. Parts definitely felt like a Jurassic Park greatest hits compilation. The introduce newish elements and do some of the same things. Some times it felt like a Steven Spielberg kids movie and other times it just felt like a dumb kids cartoon. None of it was really great but it was competently made. The practical dinos did make a difference. Chris Pratt's humor saves the film from being pretty boring at times. Did I mention how stupid it is?

I could see it being popular though because it's not only a greatest hits of JP moments but it's also packed with Jurassic Park action cliches as well as just dumb moments that surprise you and probably would provoke a cheer from people pretty easy to please and enough tense action that I could see it being carried to success similar to the first JW just off of being a ride. But I think critical response with continue to drop off because it's pretty dumb and nonsensical. The first 15 minutes was filled with so much exposition that I could not give a single fuck about and I tired hard to pay attention just to get an idea of what the movie is supposed to be about. It all starts coming together because it's not complex but there are just so many characters that feel weirdly unnecessary and weird plot threads that just get mentioned and then never come up again.

The more I think about it, the weirder this movie is. I've seen several reviews now of people who enjoyed the first half more than the second, but there was something about the dino mansion that actually was way more entertaining despite being way more ridiculous. Like before it was just flirting with being a disaster movie and a cheesy action movie that was still trying to take it's premise seriously, but when the get to the mansion, they go full blown dinosaur howling at the moon and it embraces being a kid friendly monster movie complete with way more dino fights. It falls short of reaching Sharknado levels of over-the-top, which is actually where I hoped it would go by the end. BDH using the Indoraptor gun to target Chris Pratt seemed like the weirdest plan that should have killed him. There didn't even seem to be any communication between them what the plan was.
 
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Heart_Attack

Banned
Nov 1, 2017
2,442
As a die hard JP fan, outside of the first 5 minutes: I hated it.

As a die hard RE/Dino Crisis fan. I loved the last 60 minutes.

A solid 7/10. Dumb ass movie. RIP JP.
 

Mr. Sam

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,031
I say this as someone who enjoyed the film: if Universal is smart, they'll rethink their plans for the third one. And by that, I think they should move away from Colin. I hate being negative like that as I don't exactly want someone to be fired. But the story potential in Jurassic World 3 is really damn good and I truly don't think Colin can pull it off.

I would look for a different writer to continue on the path that the ending of this film stared, perhaps keeping Bayona on board as I thought he did a really good job.

I agree. I liked where the film picked up and I liked where it left off, even if I hated everything in between, and there's a great premise for Jurassic World 3 to be had.

I thought Bayona's direction was uneven, and he very much went back to the "dinosaur in the dark lit up by a sudden flash" well a bit too often, but I wouldn't be horrified by him returning. He might want to wind in the actors hamming it up so much - I don't mind a bit of melodrama but everyone was chewing the scenery in damn near every scene. I felt most of the movie's problems were script problems.

Nit picks:
  • How was the indominus rex skeleton intact (never mind perfectly intact) after it was eaten in the first Jurassic World and how did they find it so quickly in such a large body of water?
  • $28 million seems like a really low price for any dinosaur, not a price so high that makes you go from "No, it's much too dangerous to allow out of our care" to "Well, gee, throw in another $10 and we'll give you a saddle."
 
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antonz

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Oct 25, 2017
5,309
The "Granddaughter" existed to set the stage on who Lockwood was and as important as he apparently was why we never heard of him until now. Hammond it seems while embracing of Cloning was against Human Cloning as that seems to be the element that led to their falling out.
In the end her pushing the button is also meant to make a statement to settle what was much of the debate in the movie. Since they are clones who cares if they just die. She pretty much says fuck you I am a clone and you cant just let us/them die because its convenient
 

spam flakes

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,858
It's such a weird movie to me. I found the directing to be good, but that script...I didn't like it.

Although I enjoyed my time with it.
 

Cuburger

Member
Oct 28, 2017
10,975
Did anyone else think the importance of the girl being a clone was that she was part dinosaur? Just me? Okay then.

Also, since they referenced Chris Prat riding through the jungle with raptors, they might as well do a call back and recreate this parody video
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since Blue might as well be able to ride motorcycles.
 

Mr. Sam

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Oct 26, 2017
1,031
Did anyone else think the importance of the girl being a clone was that she was part dinosaur? Just me? Okay then

Considering how much DNA there has been of that shitty hybrid human-raptor script in these films, it didn't seem beyond them. Like, it seemed very possible that the indoraptor might be about to eat her and then she starts making raptor noises.
 

Fliesen

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,256
Up until the clone reveal i was convinced that Maisie was simply Alex' daughter.
(Lockwood being married to Hammond's daughter, which would make Alex Hammond's granddaughter, but also her daughter being Lockwood's)

The clone reveal was all kinds of weird, but it did fit the all kinds of weird message with regards to "is a clone not part of god's / nature's plan as has therefore no actual place in this world"

I've grown to accept that we had a "Jurassic Park" trilogy, and these are "Jurassic World" movies, and they're only remotely related.

The best scene was the physical comedy of Chris Pratt when tranq'ed Owen tries to outcrawl the lava.
The worst scene was the attempt at invoking emotional response when showing that Brachiosaur who gets left behind on Isla Nublar.
 

Cuburger

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Oct 28, 2017
10,975
The part where Blue see the flammable gas leaking out of the tank and runs and leaps threw the window to escape the explosion like an action hero fills me with all sorts of joy.

Also, what was that whole scene about Blue needing a blood transfusion from a carnivore with no more the 3 fingers. Was that a joke and she was basically telling them it had to be the T-Rex? Then what was that about Blue blood being unpure since she had T-Rex blood? I hate this stupid shit while watching but I love it thinking about it after the fact.
 

antonz

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,309
The part where Blue see the flammable gas leaking out of the tank and runs and leaps threw the window to escape the explosion like an action hero fills me with all sorts of joy.

Also, what was that whole scene about Blue needing a blood transfusion from a carnivore with no more the 3 fingers. Was that a joke and she was basically telling them it had to be the T-Rex? Then what was that about Blue blood being unpure since she had T-Rex blood? I hate this stupid shit while watching but I love it thinking about it after the fact.
Wu had to get out of there and did not have time to deal with Blue so the best course of action was just to grab the blood which can be used to clone with. Having infused T-Rex blood in there to keep blue alive at least in the short term the blood would be useless as far as pure velociraptor sample.
 

Cuburger

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Oct 28, 2017
10,975
Wu had to get out of there and did not have time to deal with Blue so the best course of action was just to grab the blood which can be used to clone with. Having infused T-Rex blood in there to keep blue alive at least in the short term the blood would be useless as far as pure velociraptor sample.
Oh right, he just wanted the blood.
 
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WhiteRabbitEXE
Oct 25, 2017
12,627
Arizona
I'll have to disagree on this one. I heard a group of people behind me talking during the credits about how Maisie being a clone was a great twist, specifically because it makes complete sense that this technology would have been used on a human by someone after all this time. I pretty much agreed. I thought it was a solid twist.
I mean, we cloned Dolly the sheep decades ago. The processes in Jurassic always went far beyond just cloning - you don't need de-extinction technology to clone a person, because it's something we've been able to do for ages. And beyond that, the fact that she's a clone has exactly no narrative significance to this movie beyond some extremely clumsy theme work and as ultimately entirely unnecessary justification for the final moments.
 
Oct 25, 2017
576
One of the worst films I've ever seen. Some of the shots and cinematography had some thought put into them, but the film falls down in every single respect.

I find enough in the other sequels to enjoy to justify watching any one of them - The Lost World has some great Spielberg moments, some of the raptor stuff in JP3 was cool, and Jurassic World was corny but entertaining. I have no desire to see a single minute of any part of Fallen Kingdom ever again.
 

Razmos

Unshakeable One Winged Slayer
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Oct 28, 2017
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As a massive Jurassic Park fan, I loved the film and thought it was one of the best. A way better sequel than 2 or 3.

I actually loved the backstory with Lockwood and Hammond and how their relationship fractured when Lockwood wanted to clone his dead daughter, it was really interesting even if it didn't really add much to the movie itself.

I felt the ending with the Maisie pushing the button was well earned with the themes throughout the film of people seeing the dinosaurs as products, as clones, and not as real creatures.
The villain treated Maisie like she was less than as well, and she loves dinosaurs, so I felt like it was well set up.

I have always disliked how the movies made Hammond out to be a kindly old man though, he was an asshole in the books.
 

MizneyWorld

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
446
Did anyone else think the importance of the girl being a clone was that she was part dinosaur? Just me? Okay then.

I can't remember exactly why. Maybe just because they were keeping the young girl very mysterious. But at some point before Pratt & co. left for the island, I turned to my wife and whispered, "I bet she's part dinosaur." Eh, I was kinda right. In a spiritual sense.
 

Ausroachman

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Oct 27, 2017
3,395
Finally lost world can get some kudos, I remember loving it as a kid . Thankfully this one is getting bad reviews so people appreciate how good lost world was :p

I missed it when Jurassic park was just about huge Dino's coming to life and not evil villians auctioning of Dino's for weapons and human cloning .
 
Oct 31, 2017
2,164
Paris, France
So if the events of the first Jurassic World hadn't happened the entire functioning park would've been consumed by lava just three years later. Doesn't seem like a good investment to build a park on an active volcano.

LMAO

The fake rescue mission and the volcano erupting existing only to find an excuse to bring Blue back is beyond me.

I have been defending Colin Treverrow and Jurassic World in the past but not anymore, **** this guy.
 

Jawmuncher

Crisis Dino
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
38,533
Ibis Island
There are elements that were definitely stretched a bit to finally get the dinosaurs off the island. But I think they work for what they needed to do. Which is getting a third film on a larger scale without them.

I fully expect the next film will do the whole "3 years have passed" again. Showing a lot of extra dinosaurs and how the black market has made a lot more which have gotten out of control. Causing population growth.

The biggest issue for the future is just Blue. No one else got raptor DNA. So is she just gonna remain the only one? They'll probably get around that.
 

Hercule

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Jun 20, 2018
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About the volcano, Jurassic World operated for around 10 years around the time Jurassic World 1 happened. Hoskins took care of the Pteranodon in 2001 and captured Rexy in 2002. The park opened in 2005 and the events of JW took place in mid 2015.

The volcano erupting would have been a case of extremely bad luck. I do think Masrani would have been smart enough to transport the animals to another island (Sorna?) had the park still existed.
 

Dr Doom

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Oct 25, 2017
12,021
Finally saw it. Not as bad as the early impressions I read.

Some spots are written conveniently.

Guy goes into INDO RAPTOR cage.... because we need to get this show going.
Kid hides on the bed because.... I want this creepy scene.

A good Lost World Remake