I've been trying to eat better and I've been exercising daily (thanks Apple Watch) and I'm a slow road to improving myself (though I'm not in as bad shape as this article is referring to) I just need to work on getting my wife to do the same.
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Normalisation of 'plus-size' risks hidden danger of obesity, study finds (Read OP)
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I don't think we're talking about school kids who are universally assholes to everyone. You know you're being disingenuous. Come on.Where is all this fat acceptance?
As someone who grew up bigger and taller than most everyone else. At no time did I ever feel accepted. School was a literal hell and I spent most of my highschool years in fights with people.
The fact that we have plus sized models now, more clothing options for bigger bodied people show that while being fat isn't close to be "accepted", strides are being made to show that it's an "acceptable" body type. More so than in the past, at least
The body positivity movement should be for people who were born disfigured, got disfigured due to an accident, got acid thrown at them and so on. It shouldn't be for people who make unhealthy lifestyle choices. But unhelpful fat shaming obviously isn't the answer either.
So what? There are images of people proud of playing football and proud of drinking. Why do you care? Just make sure they know it's unhealthy. And I don't know anyone who doesn't know that being fat is unhealthy.
We need to get better st teaching kids about acceptable portion sizes. From and early age they have these massive sizes normalized. Who really needs a "king sized" candy bar or a full 12 oz. bottle of soda in one sitting? Americans do it without even thinking. They only really need about half of that.
Nothing will happen though because it's America and big money is on the line...
Nothing will happen though because it's America and big money is on the line...
that's a fucking awesome start, man. good luck on your continued journey.
It be easy to say.
"Hey you did this to yourself deal with it."
But it doesn't just effect just them.
Your friends, parents, chidren etc. all involved. And people who don't care probably influence others to not care also.
And that's just the immediate effects. We are not talking about how social security and health care is going to be fucked by astronomical levels of unhealthy people.
I don't know how you convince people that helping themselves helps others.
Sure but the people ITT that I'm attacking aren't exactly bringing it up in a reasonable caring manner, are they? Again, it's just hatred disguised as concern and it's incredibly blatant. While the comparison is indeed a little trite, the risks of smoking are far greater than the risks of being overweight according to BMI. If someone lives a fulfilling life but otherwise looks like the picture with the female models poster earlier in the thread maybe don't attack those people for having a slightly increased chance of diabetes. My point was that people don't seem even half as concerned about things that are far more dangerous (alcohol, smoking, drugs, fucking DRIVING) but when we're talking about fat people it's suddenly incredibly important to pretend we're all medical experts and stop this insane epidemic no matter the cost!
I'm 6'0", 185lbs, but I used to be 245lbs for years in my late teens. I've always considerably fluctuated in weight by 15 pounds since then. Let me tell you first hand that I wish someone other than my mother told me I was obese because maybe I would have changed my tune. It was one thing to realize I looked nothing like people on television, which didn't give me the push I needed to make the lifestyle change. It would have been another to have someone sit down and explain to me how my weight can contribute to significant health risks down the line. I didn't get that talk nor did I venture out on my own to consume media that demonized obesity. In fact whenever I told people that I was definitely overweight and wanted to lose weight (this much I admitted to myself), I was always told that I "didn't look bad for my height so it's okay." Had I not been I might have lost weight faster.
Sometimes we need help. We need that push. We need advice that comes from someone other than ourselves. At the very least no one should be encouraged to feel that being obese is not a problem, when in fact it is. Simultaneously no one should be coerced to lose weight if they don't want to. We can encourage you to recognize obesity as a health concern, but whether or not you use that information to change your lifestyle is a different story. At such a point the onus is on you but you can't expect others to recognize it as something that's acceptable when that's not the consensus.
Edit: I also have a binge eating disorder and once I'm home will devour everything in sight within an hour. I have no control when I'm left alone. I sometimes try to pull this when I'm with my girlfriend. The only way I've managed to stay 185lbs is by virtue of consistently exercising. If I wasn't doing that then my weight fluctuation would be worse than it is. I need people like my girlfriend to encourage me to stop eating so much, to portion control, to discourage me from gaining weight. If I didn't have someone like her by my side I would surely be worse off.
Sometimes we need help. We need that push. We need advice that comes from someone other than ourselves. At the very least no one should be encouraged to feel that being obese is not a problem, when in fact it is. Simultaneously no one should be coerced to lose weight if they don't want to. We can encourage you to recognize obesity as a health concern, but whether or not you use that information to change your lifestyle is a different story. At such a point the onus is on you but you can't expect others to recognize it as something that's acceptable when that's not the consensus.
Edit: I also have a binge eating disorder and once I'm home will devour everything in sight within an hour. I have no control when I'm left alone. I sometimes try to pull this when I'm with my girlfriend. The only way I've managed to stay 185lbs is by virtue of consistently exercising. If I wasn't doing that then my weight fluctuation would be worse than it is. I need people like my girlfriend to encourage me to stop eating so much, to portion control, to discourage me from gaining weight. If I didn't have someone like her by my side I would surely be worse off.
According to ERA, the above people are being considered obese, unhealthy and are being coddled for accepting their bodies.
Some of you posters in here are scum. What an ugly view of people you have.
Pisses me off to no end.
100% of the people in your post would be classed as obese or very overweight.
I'm built like the dude on the bottom right, just shorter. I am overweight, and am trying to diet because I want to be healthier. Am I scum for believing my body weight is unhealthy?
According to ERA, the above people are being considered obese, unhealthy and are being coddled for accepting their bodies.
Some of you posters in here are scum. What an ugly view of people you have.
Pisses me off to no end.
No fucking shit.
Yep, and as the numbers grow, the bar for what's considered "healthy" lowers.
And they would reply "did what?" and go on living a happy existence hopefully without being surrounded by that type of irrational hatred.
Gotta have a balance. People should be informed but not attacked nor demeaned. I don't know where the balance lies, but it should involve positive support exclusively.
But studies have also shown that only exasperates the problem. That's not a solution.
But studies have also shown that only exasperates the problem. That's not a solution.
Man sounds like those were some shit friends (the ones you had at first I mean) crabs in a bucket wanting to drag you down when you wanted to improve yourself =/ I personally am of the mindset that what someone does with their body is their business (for good or ill) people like your old friends seem to get so angry if you're not the same as them and it comes out in shitty ways like you described. I don't really feel it was good intentions as much as them not wanting to reflect on their own behaviors. I mean my aunt stopped doing that once I told her I was on diet. (Afterwards she'd offer me these garbage tasting low fat chips which I appreciate the thought but my god those things were disgusting). I'd mostly understand the concern if you hadn't eaten at all for a while and even then I'd probably keep it to myself unless I saw you swaying dizzily or something. (Because having starved myself it's really not effective unless you're really willing to stick with it and there are more effective ways to lose weight so I might comment if I saw someone using that method).
Also how is hiding yourself killing yourself O_o Were you doing the super weight lifting or something in front of them xD
y'know, i think portion size changes and healthier defaults in fast food would go a long way, but i think the number one reducer of obesity would actually be more time.
one day the 4 day work week will happen, and i'd wager both suicide and obesity rates will drop significantly.
Maybe not "the" solution, but one of.
If people want to be ignorant about the dangers of obesity, then they're fucking morons and should be scalded for it.
This is a very wrong assumption. In fact, you even contradicted yourself in the next sentence. If it's all genetics, why change the food?!
Of course there are different body types and metabolisms and not everyone will or should look like a CW actor, but clinical obesity should not be praised as different or something positive like a personality trait when it is indeed a big health problem (and a huge public health problem). Obesity is directly linked to all major causes of death (outside of accidents/trauma). Of course we shouldn't demonize obese people and discriminate them, but okay, it is not and they should know that.
I know that this may seem unfair, specially since yes, for some people it is much harder to lose weight than to others, but it's just the way it is.
Schools should have mandatory cooking classes much like they have gym classes. Diet is a bigger factor in staying healthy than exercise.
Teach a kid to cook delicious and healthy meals and they'll grow up having the knowledge to make healthier food choices, and their kids will grow up in a family that knows how to cook meals. That's a better solution than trying to fat-shame the fat off of obese people.
Teach a kid to cook delicious and healthy meals and they'll grow up having the knowledge to make healthier food choices, and their kids will grow up in a family that knows how to cook meals. That's a better solution than trying to fat-shame the fat off of obese people.
No, and good luck with the lifestyle change (not diet in particular)
In fact it's because our genetics didn't change is the problem. Our body still thinks we live as hunter gathers and stores fat at any and all opportunities for a rainy despite the fact people are living sedentary lifestyles and eating more carbs and sugars than they did before. That rainy day just plain isn't coming and are bodies are storing that fact for no good reason.
You conveniently left out the part where I agreed with you.
The human body is not going to change in a generation and Healthcare issues are a matter of public safety. It does concern the public and it should concern the vendors.
You get warnings when you use products that are correlated with carcinomas. The op study shows that by failing to educate their consumers on the matter, retailers and vendors are contributing to their Healthcare risks.
Good sense leads to those vendors at least educating on the issue. If they care about their customers.
And it is. Why is it any of your business whether or not someone fulfils your criteria of being "healthy" to begin with?
I work out pretty much every single day. Strict dieting is going to be the only way I lose some weight.
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Its not about opinion. Its a medical diagnosis. A line.
"Doctors say I have cancer. Yeah, I feel bad but I dont fucking have cancer"
Come on.
Yup. I was 175 at 5'11 and am trying to get down to 155 (currently at 162) and my mom was freaking out about me only eating ~600 calories at lunch and skipping breakfast. She thought wanting to be 155 was anorexic and my original weight was fine, but in fact it was almost overweight and 155 is in the middle of the "normal" bmi scale.
Hopefully an existence without early onset of diabetus and heart disease.
Not everyone can afford healthy food and sometimes kids have to eat junk. The solution is making healthy foods cheaper.
Nah. You should be scolded for being a hateful person though. Mind your own business. You know what else fucking morons do btw? Get people to kill themselves by body shaming them.
Indeed. But also make sure to remind everyone about the dangers of driving whenever you see them heading for their car, alright? Statistically they are MUCH more likely to die driving than from being overweight and since you seem so concerned about their well-being you need to save them real quick.
Im well aware of what issues obesity causes..... The fact that you act like some plus size model is susceptible to the same issues on the same scale as someone morbidly obese is the problem
This is rich. Your previous post was telling me to stop spreading lies. You didnt point out shit!!! Now Im sidestepping the argument?
Also youre a good example of ERAs major problem. All of you latch on to one specific thing said and just hammer down as If thats all I said... Pretty damn sure ive made multiple post referring to diet and exercise and how it plays a major role. I have no problems saying I was made a mispost to say its 'All Genetics' but genetics arent something you can just discard. People grow and develop differently. How the fuck is that any controversial statement?
People have been getting bigger the last 40 years due to a WIDE example of reasons. Its not so cut and fucking dry like yall make it to be. I used to live in a FOOD DESERT. The ONLY thing around in a 15 mile radius was MCDONALDS.
There are people on fixed incomes. Fast Food is overmarketed and widley cheaper for consumption here. If you didnt have a car where I lived, you couldnt get to a grocery store. Its not as fucking simple as EAT HEALTHY.
And going back to my picture post, those people aren't mordily obese...... They arent in severe risk of strokes or heart attacks or any of that. People keep acting like people with those bodies are 400 lbs.
And again there is a huge difference between being morbidly obese and a health hazard and essentially being a thicker rounder person. What im disgusted with it posters here combining the 2 together.
this happens to me with my relatives, and its fucking obnoxious. Im a pretty forward person and can shut them down. at 5'8" and at 167 now I only need to lose about 12 more, but when I passed on cake at my step dads birthday and explained it wouldnt fit my diet, I ended up with 3 people telling me thats dumb I look good now, already a twig dont need to lose more
Which is infuriating, cuz im sitting on a family history of dying young from heart attacks, and I dont need to be told im fine when im trying to prevent myself from dying in my 40s like my father and his father before him.
you seem to be just succeeding at life more and more since I first met you. good luck man keep it up.
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I'm down from 260 to 215 in a short 2.5 month time period) just doing keto and no exercise. Goal is 160 since I'm only 5'10". The weight melts off of me. Every single day feels like an accomplishment when you get to eat loads of cheese and meat and berries and greens and the scale reads 1 to 1.5 less every single morning.
My wife is on the same diet but she is 5'6" and started at 125. She's down to 106v and the only fat that was on her way a tummy bump that is now flat as a pancake. If anyone out there is serious about losing some weight with a diet that still allows for some shit foods (you can seriously go to McDonald's and eat cheeseburgers as long as you remove the bun and get no ketchup, onions, or anything with sugar. Mustard is great, pickles are great, etc).
Lots of fast food places actually have some great keto friendly options. Some of them are on their default menu but you would never know it's keto friendly because it's not advertised.
Seriously, if anyone is interested in giving it a real shot, it's so much easier than i thought it would be. Artificial sweetener debate aside you can even continue to drink sugar free energy drinks if they have the right sweetener. Erythritol is a great sub and is used in a lot of sugar free monsters.
The only thing that has hurt to eliminate is candy but you shouldn't be eating that shit anyway if your goal is to lose weight.
This is my third time losing a specific amount of weight. My grandma fattened me up at 12, lost it as a teenager, got fat again in my 20s, dropped 40 pounds to get into the air force, got fat again after the air force, and I'm now 34 years old rapidly decreasing towards 200 again. Of all 3 times I've actively lost weight this is the easiest.
Never gonna be a fatty again
My wife is on the same diet but she is 5'6" and started at 125. She's down to 106v and the only fat that was on her way a tummy bump that is now flat as a pancake. If anyone out there is serious about losing some weight with a diet that still allows for some shit foods (you can seriously go to McDonald's and eat cheeseburgers as long as you remove the bun and get no ketchup, onions, or anything with sugar. Mustard is great, pickles are great, etc).
Lots of fast food places actually have some great keto friendly options. Some of them are on their default menu but you would never know it's keto friendly because it's not advertised.
Seriously, if anyone is interested in giving it a real shot, it's so much easier than i thought it would be. Artificial sweetener debate aside you can even continue to drink sugar free energy drinks if they have the right sweetener. Erythritol is a great sub and is used in a lot of sugar free monsters.
The only thing that has hurt to eliminate is candy but you shouldn't be eating that shit anyway if your goal is to lose weight.
This is my third time losing a specific amount of weight. My grandma fattened me up at 12, lost it as a teenager, got fat again in my 20s, dropped 40 pounds to get into the air force, got fat again after the air force, and I'm now 34 years old rapidly decreasing towards 200 again. Of all 3 times I've actively lost weight this is the easiest.
Never gonna be a fatty again
That's contentious here? How?
I mean, I get the debate, but some here seem to be genuinely set off by the existence of overweight people.
There are like so many factors getting ignored. Shit, just being a parent right off the back makes losing weight hard. Medication is a factor.
But I feel like, most of this thread is just single dudes in their 20s and 30s yelling, just lose weight tubby.
I personally don't have an excuse and I'm working on addressing the things that set me off to binge eat. Stress from work mainly and me not wanting to put effort into anything after work.
If someone smokes, society is okay denigrating them. Show them pictures of rotting lungs, overtax their cigarettes, ban them from restaurants, bars, etc, tell them their hobby is disgusting, tell them they smell, call them stupid for doing this in 2018 after everything we know.
Simply discussing the fact that fat people are unhealthy results in cries of intolerance.
Simply discussing the fact that fat people are unhealthy results in cries of intolerance.
Its both genetics, past history, and current behavior. I'm 177 at 5'4 but I don't look fat because its all muscles. I spend 6+ hours at the gym every week. There's no way I'll ever fit non-plus sizes due to have Serena William thighs and a Nicki Minaj butt. Would you prefer I go naked because I can't fit a size six?
Your doctor is bullying you? Really? Why even bother seeing a doctor if you're just going to ignore their advice and do whatever you want? You've got an extremely negative, self-defeating attitude there.
Anyone with a BMI > 30 is obese. It does not take much to get to that point and we've become skewed to where morbid obesity now represents obesity. I can't exactly quantify dad bods because they are a diverse body type but many of them have an obese BMI.
I lost 100 lbs in the past year and am now at a "healthy" body weight.
The first cells are REAL. My wife won't cuddle me any more and I cannot rest my own legs on each other while sleeping on my side.
Also I think many people don't realise where the line of obese goes. It's lower than most probably think.
Here's me just above overweight at obese. I always thought of myself at not obese, but that's what living in an obese society does to your self perception.
You have a similar body to what I had a year ago. I had a picture taken in a place. 100lbs later went back to that place and took the same picture.
Then I said to myself "damn I was fat."
What you think people stop being jerks after school age?
You seem to think that just because they aren't classed as morbidly obese they won't have issues with cancer, heart, lung, etc.
Fact of the matter is, they absolutely will. If not now, then 100% later on in their life as they get older if they don't adjust their lifestyles and manage their weight accordingly.