Normalisation of 'plus-size' risks hidden danger of obesity, study finds (Read OP)

Zelenogorsk said:

Thanks. I've actually lost 30 pounds in recent months but people reminding me of my weight doesn't make it come off any faster lol

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Hey, don't worry about it, take it at your own pace and find what works for you. It's not a race and it's your body :)


Anyway I'm out of this hateful thread, it's genuinely making me sick to my stomach reading some of the posts in here. My condolences to anyone struggling with managing their weight and/or self-esteem issues related to their body shape.

As a final statement, I'd like to once again echo that those who are genuinely concerned about health in relation to obesity (instead of just spreading hatred leading to people killing themselves) should do everything they can to push government regulation onto the food industry and empower education in regards to portion sizing and regulating levels of sugar that are allowed in most foods. Those two factors are what is creating this issue in the first place and y'all are barking up the wrong fucking tree complaining about plus size models and people learning to live with themselves in spite of being bullied their entire lives. Shame on you if you've ever been or are currently guilty of bullying others over their body shape.

It's way easier and quicker to prepare bad food than good as well. I don't know how you fix that, make the healthy food cheaper as well.

Give people an inch and they'll take a mile.

CopperPuppy said:

LeBron James is obese

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ITT Lebron James also has an average physique for a 6'8" guy

Kthulhu said:

I think a good solution would to show anti-junkfood ads that are similar to the anti-tabacco ads we've been seeing for decades. That way you don't shame unhealthy people while creating a stigma against eating unhealthy food.

Think about it. You don't shame someone for having lung cancer, you show people stuff that scares them away from smoking.

Imagine if this was replaced with a cheeseburger:

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Cheeseburgers are healthy as part of a balanced diet. There is no need to stigmatize cheeseburger-eaters. Cheeseburgers only become a problem when people eat too much of them. Cigarettes are a problem at puff #1. Not a good analogy.

I've been trying to lose just FIVE pounds since May and I haven't been able to. Losing weight is damn hard. Like others have said, it takes a ton of willpower (which I am obviously failing at) to get through it.

That said, here is my proposed solution:
1) put tax on being fat
2) put tax on being mean
3) use proceeds to fund education and healthy meals for schoolchildren

win-win-win

Rayne said:

Man sounds like those were some shit friends (the ones you had at first I mean) crabs in a bucket wanting to drag you down when you wanted to improve yourself =/ I personally am of the mindset that what someone does with their body is their business (for good or ill) people like your old friends seem to get so angry if you're not the same as them and it comes out in shitty ways like you described. I don't really feel it was good intentions as much as them not wanting to reflect on their own behaviors. I mean my aunt stopped doing that once I told her I was on diet. (Afterwards she'd offer me these garbage tasting low fat chips which I appreciate the thought but my god those things were disgusting). I'd mostly understand the concern if you hadn't eaten at all for a while and even then I'd probably keep it to myself unless I saw you swaying dizzily or something. (Because having starved myself it's really not effective unless you're really willing to stick with it and there are more effective ways to lose weight so I might comment if I saw someone using that method).

Also how is hiding yourself killing yourself O_o Were you doing the super weight lifting or something in front of them xD

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They are good people, but they are very much into the idea that anything that isn't pleasant isn't good. So if someone is say working hard to land the job they want, trying to lose weight, staying up late to finish writing a novel...that kind of stuff? They tend to be like "Oh my god, stop doing that!" Like I love them, I really do, but they are super into the idea that life should be 100% easy all of the time. They are a bit too idealistic to the point where I can't mesh well with them sometimes, but I don't hate them for it. The only issue was when they took me really trying hard to get in shape I mentioned wanting abs at one point and they sort of took it as a slight against "all bodies being beautiful" type of stuff. We got it defused fairly easily, but it did teach me not to mention stuff like my ideal body type for myself aloud anymore haha.

Also oh god low fat chips. Until evidence of the contrary is presented I'm forced to assume that their real purpose isn't to substitute chips, but to make you disgusted at the idea of ever having chips again :P

I was(still am) following a good exercise schedule, nothing insane, but I go to the gym twice daily, once in the morning and once at night. Occasionally we'd meet up around noon on campus and they'd want to get food and I'd be go with them to the caf but just have a protein shake instead of eating since I had just come out of the gym - that sorta thing. Fortunately they never saw me lifting weights or they'd else they'd have been way more concerned haha.

Like I genuinely think they are well intentioned, but end of the day their views on anything that takes any kind of suffering being unhealthy and that you have to love your body no matter what doesn't really gel with me. Other friends I made were much, much better about that and it's super fun hitting the gym with them. It is kind of a pity though because while I'm still friends with the old crew, I can definitely tell they treat me differently now. But that's life I suppose!

CormoranStrike said:

It's way easier and quicker to prepare bad food than good as well. I don't know how you fix that, make the healthy food cheaper as well.

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"quicker" is just a sign of laziness. No one so busy that they can't spend 15-20 minutes making a decent meal. Like, what do you got going on that requires you microwave burritos or something?

Aviator Irelia said:

The number one reason fat people stay fat isn't over eating, it's the denial that they are over eating. Portion control is out of this world bad in America. Guzzling 80 ounces of soda every day? You do that because you are in denial about what it does to you.

Once you get past the denial stage and accept it is when it gets really, really dangerous health wise because if you decide you're okay with it, you're essentially serving yourself an early death sentence. People need to start taking their weight much more seriously or they are going to be in for a very rude awakening in their 30s and 40s.

Genetics has a play in everything but way way way too many people use it as an excuse when it's not true in their situation. The rest of your family isn't fat because of genetics, they're fat because they are generally unhealthy like you. Learned behaviors.

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Good post.

I'd add that the other problem is that the majority of folks who claim to not have time to work out are lying. If one has time to binge Netflix or post on forums, one has time to go for a run.

I think the correct solution here is a combination of making healthier lifestyles more attainable while eliminating the body shaming culture. Healthier food is more expensive whether you eat out or in and that's a problem. Gym memberships are prohibitively expensive for the people that are already more likely to be overweight (poorer folks that already can't afford healthier foods). There are ways to tell people that they're putting themselves in danger as well. Conversely, if someone is eating well, exercising, and still happens to be bigger then so be it.

I say these things as someone that needs to put honest effort into losing weight. I gained a ton around the time my first child was born and even more during my three months of unemployment. My clothes are starting not to fit and it's either buy a new wardrobe or eat and exercise on a budget lol. Not to mention diabetes in ten years according to my doctor. It's difficult though. I won't lie. But I plan on starting some light jogging in the mornings and I bought a bench press with weights to work out on. Now I just need the discipline to eat better and I'm good.

One tip for anybody that might want it: exercise in the morning and you won't crave anything that's bad for you the rest of the day. It worked for me back when I was 208 lbs and had a six pack.

infinite said:

The US is more sendantary though and there are other systemic and cultural problems we can point to that all contribute to the obesity epidemic.

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I wouldn't say the US is much more sedimentary than other western nations. The obvious problems is you eat too many carbs and sugars. Portion sizes nutional breakdown of the foods etc Completely out of wack.

It's both individual and cultural. Exercise is great but it stands no chance your average eating habits is massive portions. You stand no chance.

If people choose to be fat, then it would be okay.

But the majority of fat people are just victims of this time. With all these 'food' companies getting rich from getting everyone as fat as possible. We need to fix that problem asap.

808s & Villainy said:

ITT Lebron James also has an average physique for a 6'8" guy

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Oh word where did I say that he had an average physique

DigitalOp said:

Its not even worth it. We have clearly found that if you dont fit these posters standards of skinny and healthy, you're doomed to heart attacks and strokes.

Really garbage mindsets and myopic world views

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am I missing a bunch of people calling frequent, effective gymgoers fat or something? because I'm not sure who you're talking about exactly

CopperPuppy said:

LeBron James is obese

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It's a known thing that BMI doesn't work for tall people.

Mesoian said:

The world (or at least america) will never know portion control as an accepted concept.

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I certainly haven't until a few years ago, saved a lot of money knowing I can easily turn a restaurant meal into 2 or even 3 rounds of left-overs.

Cyanity said:

So what's the solution? Body-positivity culture allows people feel better about themselves on a day to day basis. Who are we to go back to fat-shaming? There must be a way to curb the obesity epidemic without making people feel like shit.

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We make smokers feel like shit, why not the obese?

Granted nothing will work until we hold food manufacturers accountable and stop them from putting corn syrup and other forms of sugars into every product.

DigitalOp said:

Its fucked to think people must be under some arbitrary weight to be considered healthy.

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I completely get what you're saying, but you're mixing definitions and concepts. The medical definition for obesity (and all the studies regarding it's impact on personal and public health) is by no means "arbitrary" but the conclusions of decades of studying on the subject. No one is saying (or at least I hope not) that clinical obese = gross, ugly, undatable, etc

CopperPuppy said:

Oh word where did I say that he had an average physique

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Pretty much everyone knows BMI falls apart when you stray from the average physique (as any professional athlete or someone of his height most certainly would), so either your post was sarcasm or you weren't of this yourself

subpar spatula said:

"quicker" is just a sign of laziness. No one so busy that they can't spend 15-20 minutes making a decent meal. Like, what do you got going on that requires you microwave burritos or something?

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When you get in tired from working or whatever, it can feel like that yes. Can't say I've ever seen microwave burritos for sale though.

Fulminator said:

There needs to be more food education in America...like that will ever happen though

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Why are you bringing up America like it's the only one with this problem?

Especially after the article in the thread is specifically about England?

We do need to stop coddling people about their weight. Treat obesity like we have smoking.

Those kinds of actions are only going to be usefully effective when you combine it with concrete steps to incentivize better and healthier habits. In the US reducing or removing outdated food subsidies (corn and dairy especially) would be a huge first step before you even start talking about outright taxes on unhealthy foods. Better food education in school (home ec really needs to become a mandatory life skills class for so many reasons) is another component.


One of the difficult things when talking about public health is that there's so much that funnels into it, from health care costs to urban planning. That makes it a difficult problem to solve, but on the plus side improvements in any one area have positive impacts on the others.

For 99% of people BMI is perfectly valid, using Lebron and the Rock as examples as to why it's flawed doesn't apply to people who get winded walking up two flights of stairs smh.

So many fucking excuses as to why we can't put down the food shovel.

Sad as hell, you only have one body, you want to ruin it so that you can't do basically anything and then die young?

Also, as an overweight-obese person always striving to normal weight, I would say that the argument that genetics dictate different bodyweights to different people shouldn't change anything in our view to obesity.

I *know* I have been dealt a shit hand in the obesity lottery. I have friends who can eat caloric shit tons for weeks on and not put on weight, they probably got amazing pancreas in the draw. That's not me, I can't live like they do, or I will be really f'in fat very soon. I can eat just above 2,000kcal to maintain my weight, 1,500 to lose weight. I'll have to deal with it.

There is no point of feeling resentful either, I got great teeth, solid muscle growth, tall height, no hereditary illnesses. So boo hoo, I got dealt the "you get fat easier" card. It's up to me to deal with it.

chezzymann said:

Yup. I was 175 at 5'11 and am trying to get down to 155 (currently at 162) and my mom was freaking out about me only eating ~600 calories at lunch and skipping breakfast. She thought wanting to be 155 was anorexic and my original weight was fine, but in fact it was almost overweight and 155 is in the middle of the "normal" bmi scale.

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That's how it is. When most humans you come in contact with look like you (which is obese), anyone with a healthy weight starts to look weird to you. That's also goes for people who've been fat for so long that they now forgot what it feels like to be at a normal weight again. Good luck on your journey, man.

CormoranStrike said:

When you get in tired from working or whatever, it can feel like that yes. Can't say I've ever seen microwave burritos for sale though.

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A work day shouldn't drain you so you can't prepare a 15-minute meal. If it does then you probably have energy problems or are just lazy.

ned_ballad said:

You can lose weight eating garbage and sitting on the couch all day. It's all about counting calories.

It's easier to lose weight eating healthy, but it's not impossible. It just takes some self control.

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That's assuming your metabolism is good enough. The best option for most people is healthy eating and regular exercise.

CormoranStrike said:

It's way easier and quicker to prepare bad food than good as well. I don't know how you fix that, make the healthy food cheaper as well.

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I mean it's not. Cheaper maybe but it's just as quick to microwave a healthy ready made meal than as an unhealthy one. (Healthy ready made meals do exist as well).

BronzeWolf said:

Why do you think it's fake?

I don't think it's us and them. I don't want my dad to die soon!

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The way posts are worded and tone of them, its not coming from a place where they truly care for the people struggling around the world.

Also people put too much emphasis on exercise and not enough on diet. It's great if someone decides they're going to start exercising and working out but unless you are combining that with a diet that enables you to actively burn fat it's more likely you are just going to quit exercising earlier because you're not getting the results you imagined going in.

Losing weight is weighed heavily towards your diet (no pun intended). Exercise is to get your body physically in shape for strength and speed and endurance etc. To burn fat you have to eat right. 100%

This is a little more complex than just one or two viewpoints.

I see personal responsibility being an important part of this. People need to realize that they are responsible for their own health and it is they who must take care of their body. I wouldn't rely on other's opinions about whether you're physically healthy except your doctor. You should be doing occasional research on how to live healthy. It isn't something that you can just leave to your daily habits and how you grew up. If you want a nice and healthy body you're gonna need to do the research and start implementing it. Some examples would be eating more at home following healthy recipes.

I wouldn't pay attention to what society or culture is telling you because to be honest most people are stuck and the overall messages we get aren't what you necessarily need to hear to really succeed. If you think it's ok to be fat because society says it's ok and you shouldn't feel bad then I'd have to say that you're doing yourself a disservice. You're still fat, you're not really taking the time to properly process and react to the emotions of being fat and finally it is keeping you from making progress on your health. At the same time society saying it's bad to be fat shouldn't be weaponized. This is disgusting and does absolutely nothing but hurt people. It does not help them.

I also think there are greater things about the environment that need to be tackled to make it better for everyone. You can't rely on this though to make the kind of change you want to see in your own life however. Realistically there should be more regulations on food and beverages. Health risks for soda and the availability of it needs to be cut down. People should value the education of health more. Healthier food needs to be made cheaper and easier to get for people.

It isn't an issue that can be necessarily be isolated from a greater macro perspective but for most people I would say it's their responsibility and they need to put more effort into their health if they want the benefits of being healthy.

I need a break, this is just.... some ugly shit. Really is.

prophetvx said:

Yeah, they are probably obese. The medical definition of obese is far lower than most realize. At 6'0 one only needs to be 220lbs to be considered obese. 185lbs to be overweight.

BMI is largely considered bunk science now, but for your average person it holds pretty true in terms of how much body fat one carries both the stuff you see and the stuff packed around your organs.

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Hops said:

Lmao, scum for telling the truth. The people in those pictures are not healthy, and they are definitely overweight. Also I can't help but notice that all of them are less than 40 years old, when they get around that age they will start to understand that if they don't fix some shit they will probably die earlier than they should.

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Dook's Revenge said:

These people do appear to be obese.

Why does that offend you?

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Bucca said:

100% of the people in your post would be classed as obese or very overweight.

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Heisenberg726 said:

Most of those people look unhealthy in terms of their weight. I'm sorry that that may offend people. But if you're weight is that bad, you need help, because that can be a health problem and kill you.

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So Im just going to assume that yall look like this



because if you're dont, then yall are really full of shit..... You all argue about ANY instance of extra mass or weight is going to affect your health, then yall better look like fucking Gold's Gym models and back up your shit.

subpar spatula said:

It's just known the bigger you are the higher the risk. People should be aware of that and take steps to make themselves healthier. You're putting up an image no one who projecting.

You posted images of women and men who were clearly overweight and thought people were scum for thinking they are. It's quite obvious you're attacking a position very little people in this thread are holding and making it out that any criticism of overweight is of that position.

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but but subpar....

Thats EXACTLY what people are doing ITT

Puck Beaverton said:

ERA is tolerant and empathetic to you unless you're fat

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Racists get more tolerance here than bigger people, fucking touche


Ill prob be back, maybe not but wtf. Yall think you tolerate shit, yall just fucking pick and choose forreal.

Theres a whole lot of people coming in and talking about fat shaming, but that has nothing to do with the OP.

Analysis of data from almost 23,460 people who are overweight or obese revealed that weight misperception has increased in England. Men and individuals with lower levels of education and income are more likely to underestimate their weight status and consequently less likely to try to lose weight.

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This looks like a good sample size.

Anecdotally, it totally matches what I see when I visit my family who live in a lower income community where 95% of the people are overweight or obese. Because everyone around them is obese, being just overweight is considered healthy, and being healthy is considered underweight.

Doctor see this all the time with families. "How dare you say my child is overweight and needs less candy, she is perfect." No, your child is average. And in your community, average is obese.

Principate said:

I mean it's not. Cheaper maybe but it's just as quick to microwave a healthy ready made meal than as an unhealthy one. (Healthy ready made meals do exist as well).

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I guess "ease" in this case is a combination of money + time?

Being overweight is unhealthy and leads to all types of issues physically and mentally. It's not a good thing, a good look, etc. While that doesn't mean we should run around shitting on fat people to their face, it does mean we need to promote healthier lifestyles and eating and exercise. Because poor eating and overweight citizens is an epidemic right now. I'm not particularly worried about the tumblr types who take this to an extreme ("I'm 400 pounds and just as healthy as anyone!" lmao ok). That's a loud minority and shouldn't be used to stereotype or shame most people who just...don't eat healthy or exercise, and would lose weight if they could.

Don't think I've ever seen an article so validated by the content of its own thread before

Luchashaq said:

For 99% of people BMI is perfectly valid, using Lebron and the Rock as examples as to why it's flawed doesn't apply to people who get winded walking up two flights of stairs smh.

So many fucking excuses as to why we can't put down the food shovel.

Sad as hell, you only have one body, you want to ruin it so that you can't do basically anything and then die young?

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I don't want to no, but binge eating disorder and depression make losing weight a real fucking challenge. And I can imagine this is the same for a lot of overweight people. I was once 265 and have gotten down to 195. Losing the next 15 - 20 lbs I've been meaning to has been a ridiculous struggle that I battle with every day. Shit is insane and I wonder how easy this would be if I was was normal sometimes.

I honestly don't understand why so many people are obsessed with shitting on overweight people especially since majority of it is focused on women. There is so many ridiculous body standards and I have seen perfectly healthy women labelled obese it's ridiculous.

We can encourage healthy food consumption without the need to shit on peoples weight. Someone shouldn't be called disgusting just because they are overweight.

Luchashaq said:

For 99% of people BMI is perfectly valid, using Lebron and the Rock as examples as to why it's flawed doesn't apply to people who get winded walking up two flights of stairs smh.

So many fucking excuses as to why we can't put down the food shovel.

Sad as hell, you only have one body, you want to ruin it so that you can't do basically anything and then die young?

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Who gives a shit? Why do you care so much what other people do with their body?

CormoranStrike said:

It's way easier and quicker to prepare bad food than good as well. I don't know how you fix that, make the healthy food cheaper as well.

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You teach people how to cook. Cooking doesn't require a 1-2 hour time investment if you know what you're doing. And don't be afraid to skip meat to save calories and time.

Last night's dinner:

Buffalo cauliflower wrap

1. Pre-cut cauliflower florets, roasted for 15 minutes in the oven (375) with a tiny bit of cooking spray
2. Take out of oven, coat in buffalo sauce (purchased pre-made in a bottle from Aldi for like a dollar)
3. Put back into oven for 5 minutes
4. Cut avocado during this time, scoop out onto spinach wrap
5. Add veggies, I used spinach and carrots
6. Add cauliflower to wrap, a decent amount. My bag of cauliflower made two wraps, so I had some for lunch today.
7 (optional) Add blue cheese crumbles (not dressing!)

Total time: About 20 minutes
Total cost: Maybe about 5 dollars? I shop at Aldi, so stuff is cheap and the wraps, spinach, carrots, blue cheese crumbles and buffalo sauce are multi-meal so it's hard to count.
Total calories: My fitness pal says it was about 700 calories.

And it's mostly in the oven, so you can do stuff while it's baking. I took a shower while it pre-heated.

I ate it with a side salad which was spinach, carrots, sunflower seeds, tomatoes, nutritional yeast, croutons and I was way under my calories for the day, so I used blue cheese dressing mixed with hot sauce to make sure I was hitting my calorie goal for the day. And as a treat since I was under so much. I like blue cheese dressing a lot. Had I been closer to my calorie count, I would have either skipped the salad or used some low fat Italian.

I'm 40 lbs down in 6ish months and basically eating whatever I want (just in proper portions). Actually since making healthier meals (and going vegetarian sometimes vegan) I've saved a ton of time cooking. Meat actually takes a long time to cook compared to vegetables!

Ryaaan14 said:

Don't think I've ever seen an article so validated by the content of its own thread before

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You missed the White Woman Tears thread

Also, stop putting importance on the BMI.

It's a good general purpose look at where you land but it doesn't account for lean muscle mass.

Also the the record, none of those quoted posts were fat shaming. Fat shaming is "ew lol look at that fat ass whale", "how can anyone do that to themselves", etc.

Fat shaming is not pointing out obesity in a discussion about obesity, it's discussing obesity with real life examples. Those people in those photos are obese. It will cause them health problems as they age. Ignoring the problem never makes it go away.

DigitalOp said:

The conflation of someone being plussize/bigger sized to people being obese is fucking disrespectful and fucked up.

It's all genetics. Not ever person is going to be a stick figure or 130lbs. How about we target this countries fucked up food situation where it's entirely easier to buy bullshit meals than healthier alternative choices.

People shouldn't be fucking demonized for having different bodytypes.

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What?

DigitalOp said:

Congrats, you're technically correct assholes.

The funniest apart about all of this is I havent seen not one nation of people that all shared the same bodytype....

So where did this insistence that ALL people must be slim in order to be healthy come from? Esp when people wildly vary from height to height.

Yall so quick to talk about BMI and shit and don't even realize it wasnt even created by a fucking doctor.

also cagey you gonna sit here and act like the US doesn't use the term obese as an insult? Irregardless of how benign the medical term is, really?

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Oh, you doubled down.

There are varying degrees of fitness, yes, but being fat/obese should not be promoted as "healthy, in your own way."

America has a problem and it needs to be addressed. Period.

Velord said:

They are good people, but they are very much into the idea that anything that isn't pleasant isn't good. So if someone is say working hard to land the job they want, trying to lose weight, staying up late to finish writing a novel...that kind of stuff? They tend to be like "Oh my god, stop doing that!" Like I love them, I really do, but they are super into the idea that life should be 100% easy all of the time. They are a bit too idealistic to the point where I can't mesh well with them sometimes, but I don't hate them for it. The only issue was when they took me really trying hard to get in shape I mentioned wanting abs at one point and they sort of took it as a slight against "all bodies being beautiful" type of stuff. We got it defused fairly easily, but it did teach me not to mention stuff like my ideal body type for myself aloud anymore haha.

Also oh god low fat chips. Until evidence of the contrary is presented I'm forced to assume that their real purpose isn't to substitute chips, but to make you disgusted at the idea of ever having chips again :P

I was(still am) following a good exercise schedule, nothing insane, but I go to the gym twice daily, once in the morning and once at night. Occasionally we'd meet up around noon on campus and they'd want to get food and I'd be go with them to the caf but just have a protein shake instead of eating since I had just come out of the gym - that sorta thing. Fortunately they never saw me lifting weights or they'd else they'd have been way more concerned haha.

Like I genuinely think they are well intentioned, but end of the day their views on anything that takes any kind of suffering being unhealthy and that you have to love your body no matter what doesn't really gel with me. Other friends I made were much, much better about that and it's super fun hitting the gym with them. It is kind of a pity though because while I'm still friends with the old crew, I can definitely tell they treat me differently now. But that's life I suppose!

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So super hippies? XD That said really sensitive taking something you saw as your ideal and thinking you were making a value judgement against them. And you are much nicer than I am.

They're very good at that the taste was stuck in my mouth for hours good grief. I wanted to replace them with fruit instead but most canned fruit has garbage in it and fresh fruit is way more expensive than chips =/

Yeah I was always too lazy for the gym. I just walk up and down the block cause the gym always makes me feel awkward. I'm still losing weight so I rather just do it this way. I have major respect for people who can maintain their gym regiments.

Yeah least you still talk to one another though so there's that :) And your new friends being supportive is great! It's always great to have someone in your corner.

Bucca said:

Also, stop putting importance on the BMI.

It's a good general purpose look at where you land but it doesn't account for lean muscle mass.

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BMI is good enough for most people.

Tenck said:

Why are you bringing up America like it's the only one with this problem?

Especially after the article in the thread is specifically about England?

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Idk it's a bad habit I guess

ned_ballad said:

You teach people how to cook. Cooking doesn't require a 1-2 hour time investment if you know what you're doing. And don't be afraid to skip meat to save calories and time.

Last night's dinner:

Buffalo cauliflower wrap

1. Pre-cut cauliflower florets, roasted for 15 minutes in the oven (375) with a tiny bit of cooking spray
2. Take out of oven, coat in buffalo sauce (purchased pre-made in a bottle from Aldi for like a dollar)
3. Put back into oven for 5 minutes
4. Cut avocado during this time, scoop out onto spinach wrap
5. Add veggies, I used spinach and carrots
6. Add cauliflower to wrap, a decent amount. My bag of cauliflower made two wraps, so I had some for lunch today.
7 (optional) Add blue cheese crumbles (not dressing!)

Total time: About 20 minutes
Total cost: Maybe about 5 dollars? I shop at Aldi, so stuff is cheap and the wraps, spinach, carrots, blue cheese crumbles and buffalo sauce are multi-meal so it's hard to count.
Total calories: My fitness pal says it was about 700 calories.

And it's mostly in the oven, so you can do stuff while it's baking. I took a shower while it pre-heated.

I ate it with a side salad which was spinach, carrots, sunflower seeds, tomatoes, nutritional yeast, croutons and I was way under my calories for the day, so I used blue cheese dressing mixed with hot sauce to make sure I was hitting my calorie goal for the day. And as a treat since I was under so much. I like blue cheese dressing a lot. Had I been closer to my calorie count, I would have either skipped the salad or used some low fat Italian.

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You can buy a meal at McDonalds for the same cost and finish it in the time it takes you to preheat your oven. Some of you drastically overestimate the ease of meal prep. Some people are too busy juggling jobs and other commitments. Some don't want to spend their little free time preparing food. There are a variety of reasons. Your first step is to use an oven which already invalidates this not being a "time investment"

I think the advent of fried food and processed food has made the overweight the normal weight in US and slim as unhealthy.

DigitalOp said:

I need a break, this is just.... some ugly shit. Really is.











So Im just going to assume that yall look like this

because if you're dont, then yall are really full of shit..... You all argue about ANY instance of extra mass or weight is going to affect your health, then yall better look like fucking Gold's Gym models and back up your shit.





but but subpar....

Thats EXACTLY what people are doing ITT




Racists get more tolerance here than bigger people, fucking touche


Ill prob be back, maybe not but wtf. Yall think you tolerate shit, yall just fucking pick and choose forreal.

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Nah, I'm just at a normal weight and BMI and look like a regular non-thin, non-fat person. I don't see why this makes you so mad, mate.

Principate said:

I wouldn't say the US is much more sedimentary than other western nations. The obvious problems is you eat too many carbs and sugars. Portion sizes nutional breakdown of the foods etc Completely out of wack.

It's both individual and cultural. Exercise is great but it stands no chance your average eating habits is massive portions. You stand no chance.

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I mean car culture is pretty big thing here. But I would argue that poverty, education, people needed to work more hours, and having less free time for themselves are big contributors to obesity. Not to mention our sort of capitalistic nature of food as a business which you begin to explain a facet of in your post.

DigitalOp said:

I need a break, this is just.... some ugly shit. Really is.











So Im just going to assume that yall look like this

because if you're dont, then yall are really full of shit..... You all argue about ANY instance of extra mass or weight is going to affect your health, then yall better look like fucking Gold's Gym models and back up your shit.





but but subpar....

Thats EXACTLY what people are doing ITT




Racists get more tolerance here than bigger people, fucking touche


Ill prob be back, maybe not but wtf. Yall think you tolerate shit, yall just fucking pick and choose forreal.

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I'm actually 210lbs and borderline obese at 6'1, even if I don't look it and working to lose it (lost 30lbs over the last 12 months). "Ugly shit" is pretending that is healthy.

Care to actually discuss what I said about BMI instead of just coming up with a thin on content faux-offended post?