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Dark Souls: Remastered |OT| The Dark Souls of remasters
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I have to say, the ending of this game was surprisingly....moving.
Definitely a surprise after a game that just felt oppressive and cruel for its entire runtime, with only a few respites (deliberately so, of course). Perhaps I was meant to feel for the characters I met living in this dying world the whole time, but I was too busy feeling a primordial and self-interested survival instinct...until they got me at the very end.
You roll in preparing for this epic final fight with Gwyn, who you're imagining is this awesome and titanic behemoth like the other bosses (especially after meeting his daughter). But it's just Gwyn. He's just a man, not much bigger than you and no better geared, and his flaming sword is striking but nothing special. For the first time, you don't get an epic or horrifying chanting track to accompany the boss fight, but out of nowhere a sad piano theme. You see the Kiln, and when you look into his eyes you realize they aren't even there – he's a Hollow, a sad and miserable being that shouldn't be alive, just like you. Waiting so long, for centuries, for someone to relieve him. You fight a somber battle of equals that feels almost purposeless and ends much too quickly; the proud Lord of Cinder, King of All and Savior of Mankind is reduced to a husk, and dies with a whimper.
Then, you finally follow in his footsteps, relight the flame, and burn yourself out of your own unnatural existence. It's a game where you accomplish your task...by dying. I can think of only a few other games where that happens, and it's just as bittersweet there as it is here. Then the credits roll, and another beautifully sad melody drives it home. You've saved the whole world against all odds, and your long journey is at an end. The light has returned thanks to your ultimate sacrifice. Rest in peace, weary undead.
Then, you finally follow in his footsteps, relight the flame, and burn yourself out of your own unnatural existence. It's a game where you accomplish your task...by dying. I can think of only a few other games where that happens, and it's just as bittersweet there as it is here. Then the credits roll, and another beautifully sad melody drives it home. You've saved the whole world against all odds, and your long journey is at an end. The light has returned thanks to your ultimate sacrifice. Rest in peace, weary undead.
Definitely a surprise after a game that just felt oppressive and cruel for its entire runtime, with only a few respites (deliberately so, of course). Perhaps I was meant to feel for the characters I met living in this dying world the whole time, but I was too busy feeling a primordial and self-interested survival instinct...until they got me at the very end.
Making my way through NG+ and just got to Anor Londo. It's been a very smooth ride so far. I'd never done Blightown from the Valley of Drakes before; it's just so much faster. I was in and out after killing Queelag in about 10 minutes. You miss out on a lot of good loot this way but it's NG+, so I've got all of it anyway. The only thing I went out of my way to get was another power within. Decided to keep playing for a bit and I cleared Sen's without dying, probably for the first time ever. Again, I skipped most of everything and just rushed to the boss.
It's funny how small these games feel when you just rush through them in NG+. These games are very dense, in the literal sense, in that every nook and cranny of the world is brimming with stuff, so a fresh playthrough by a new player can take dozens and dozens of hours since there's so much to find. But in actuality the game's world is not that big and most areas can be done in minutes. It was the same in Bloodborne NG+ and I loved it. It almost felt like a bonus round.
Unlike Bloodborne, this game can get pretty challenging in NG+. I do a lot of damage and can still kill most enemies so far in one hit, or one crit in the case of tougher enemies. But holy crap do they hit like a truck. I don't remember enemies in Bloodborne hitting this hard in NG+. I have low vitality and even the hollows leading up to the gargoyles would turn me into mincemeat while trying to get them with Wrath of the Gods. They were harder than the Gargoyles
It's funny how small these games feel when you just rush through them in NG+. These games are very dense, in the literal sense, in that every nook and cranny of the world is brimming with stuff, so a fresh playthrough by a new player can take dozens and dozens of hours since there's so much to find. But in actuality the game's world is not that big and most areas can be done in minutes. It was the same in Bloodborne NG+ and I loved it. It almost felt like a bonus round.
Unlike Bloodborne, this game can get pretty challenging in NG+. I do a lot of damage and can still kill most enemies so far in one hit, or one crit in the case of tougher enemies. But holy crap do they hit like a truck. I don't remember enemies in Bloodborne hitting this hard in NG+. I have low vitality and even the hollows leading up to the gargoyles would turn me into mincemeat while trying to get them with Wrath of the Gods. They were harder than the Gargoyles
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Chekhonte nice! Well done! 100%TrophyMaster check out the posts to Chekhonte just before yours. Havels armour for massive poise and use power within for a 40 percent damage boost.
I know several people who were stuck there on ng+ (myself included) and I think it's worked for all of them so far.
I know several people who were stuck there on ng+ (myself included) and I think it's worked for all of them so far.
I was doing a Magic run last night because I'd got it in my mind that I wanted to see what happens to Griggs if you never rescue him until after Logan is dead (post-Seath). I wasn't really expecting anything to happen, at best I thought he might just disappear from the lower Burg and go straight to Sen's hollowed, at worst, nothing different. Well kind of the latter - The only difference was because he never meets Logan at Firelink, you lose out on another set of Logan's spells, in addition to gimping yourself from not having the Bellowing ring from the start.
Because of not having that, I did use Sen's skip to get Logan out right at the start of the game, so I had Homing and Soul Spear right from the start more or less. Even with Dusk Crown and RTSR/Power Within you still feel the sting of not having the ring(!) though.
I did check on Griggs after I killed him in Sen's and yep, he's still ressurrected in his original location in lower Burg, with no speak option. I know it's just a programming oversight or an NPC flag issue or something, but I run into this mute resurrected Griggs every run now, I'm starting to make a backstory for him, like the Griggs we meet first is an imposter - one of the black set wearing "secret sorcerers of Vinheim", and the mute Griggs is the REAL one - a nice mild mannered student of Logan who's been usurped by his doppleganger to spy on/assassinate Logan. The imposter has used some kind of paralysis spell on him to keep him from warning Logan about the plot.
Any way it was kind of a pointless run, but I did have fun!
Because of not having that, I did use Sen's skip to get Logan out right at the start of the game, so I had Homing and Soul Spear right from the start more or less. Even with Dusk Crown and RTSR/Power Within you still feel the sting of not having the ring(!) though.
I did check on Griggs after I killed him in Sen's and yep, he's still ressurrected in his original location in lower Burg, with no speak option. I know it's just a programming oversight or an NPC flag issue or something, but I run into this mute resurrected Griggs every run now, I'm starting to make a backstory for him, like the Griggs we meet first is an imposter - one of the black set wearing "secret sorcerers of Vinheim", and the mute Griggs is the REAL one - a nice mild mannered student of Logan who's been usurped by his doppleganger to spy on/assassinate Logan. The imposter has used some kind of paralysis spell on him to keep him from warning Logan about the plot.
Any way it was kind of a pointless run, but I did have fun!
Who knows. I remember the item description of his souls calls him "similar to an ancient warrior", so that'd imply it's not him. He does drop his ring though. It's probably just a callback.
Then again it's also heavily speculated that the Ornstein you fight in DS is not the real Ornstein either, but an illusion set up by Gwyndolin like Gwyniviere, the Silver Knights and the Giant Armors
It's never fully explained. It's likely a bit of a call back, but Drangleic supposedly doesn't exist in the same universe as Lordran. I will point out though;
The Old Knights are very similar to the Sentinels in Anor Londo, and the Cathedral of Blue has the same style of architecture as Anor Londo. Take that how you will.
Killed Gargoyles and Sif (sorry Sif) again today...getting closer to my 1k now!
I think the worst thing in dark souls might be that Sif is the only boss you have to kill 3 times for 3 weapons....poor sif.
I think the worst thing in dark souls might be that Sif is the only boss you have to kill 3 times for 3 weapons....poor sif.
Heides tower is the place where the gods of anor londo arrived in that continent bringing anor londo culture with them.
And the OD was probably part of ornstein hunt group and trained Drangelic dragon raiders before the fall of Vendrik
Other simple answer could be both O&S were illusions on DS1 but getting their souls dont make sense because
Smoug survived the figh and was aluve until dark siuls 3
I just killed him, and his soul says
The Old Dragonslayer is reminiscent of a certain knight that appears in old legends.
So it could be the same guy, or a copycat.
That's kind of assuming one of the fan theories that;
Ornstein was an illusion, and Smough inevitably became Aldrich, the Devourer of Gods. Unless there's some concrete lore I'm forgetting. Ornstein we know was a member of the Dragon Knights that Gwyn created, so it's possible OD was just another member of that group--which Ornstein was an illusion of.
I'm a firm believer he's the hardest boss in the game. He has a lot of moves and he deals a lot of damage and the breath attack you mentioned is hard to deal with.
Where are you placing your summon sign? I get summoned for Kalameet all the time if I place my sign near the Artorias Fog gate.
Depends ,
Smough died protecting Anor Londo against Sulyvan but there is no confirmation how or what happened to him, Aldrith became a lord of cinder before becoming a monster
Yep considering we see another in DS3
Yeah, if it wasn't for the magic fire breath attacks I don't think he'd be too hard. The issue with those attacks is that it's very difficult to gauge distance so you often times end up not rolling far enough or, worse, rolling straight into it. The dash move spamming is pretty frustrating as well.
And I'm not placing any summon signs lol, I'm waiting aronud the fog door for someone to place theirs. I've had one successful and two "summoning failed" and I don't know which is more annoying. If it's possible could I possibly ask someone here to help me with the boss?
Heh, sorry, I mean, where are you looking for summon signs. Try looking for signs near the Artorias gate. The things is that by the time people reach the Kalameet fog gate they probably already have one or two phantoms with them so that's why they tend to place them there.
Ah, yeah, I completely forgot that there would probably be summon signs there. I was just thinking that my only other option was trekking all the way back to the Sanctuary and I really couldn't be bothered with that.
Just defeated Kalameet and fuck that fight was intense. I used the Dried Finger to get three summons with me (yes, I'm that much of a wuss) and went down to fight the bastard. It was hilarious seeing all three of them climbing down the ladder ahead of me, but that's beside the point.
The fight itself got off to a good start. One was pummeling him with magic and the other two and myself were chipping away with melee. However, everything changed when the fire nation attacked. One burst of fire and one of the group was instantly pulverised. That was fine, we were going strong. However, with around 20% of his health left, the two remaining summons decided to stand right in front of him. So, when Kalameet decided to do his wide sweeping fire attack, both were instantly killed leaving myself to deal with the boss. That last 20% was probably one of the most intense times I've had with the entire series, it was incredible.
Now for a quick detour to Ash Lake, some PvP and then on to Gywn.
The fight itself got off to a good start. One was pummeling him with magic and the other two and myself were chipping away with melee. However, everything changed when the fire nation attacked. One burst of fire and one of the group was instantly pulverised. That was fine, we were going strong. However, with around 20% of his health left, the two remaining summons decided to stand right in front of him. So, when Kalameet decided to do his wide sweeping fire attack, both were instantly killed leaving myself to deal with the boss. That last 20% was probably one of the most intense times I've had with the entire series, it was incredible.
Now for a quick detour to Ash Lake, some PvP and then on to Gywn.
Goddamn, I'm getting wrecked by NG+ O&S. I need to kill Ornstein first to get Smough's Soul and I find that much more difficult than killing Smough first.
My Great Club, which carried me easily through NG, is starting to show its defects. Specifically the roll attack, which is a downwards slam to the ground and has no reach. So I keep missing Ornstein because I try to hit him after rolling to dodge his spear attack.
EDIT: Got'em. Only took me 30 tries, hah. Super Smough ain't bad once you get the hang of it and you don't get screwed by bad RNG. Hard part was killing Ornstein.
My Great Club, which carried me easily through NG, is starting to show its defects. Specifically the roll attack, which is a downwards slam to the ground and has no reach. So I keep missing Ornstein because I try to hit him after rolling to dodge his spear attack.
EDIT: Got'em. Only took me 30 tries, hah. Super Smough ain't bad once you get the hang of it and you don't get screwed by bad RNG. Hard part was killing Ornstein.
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Wait, I thought you can't even access the DLC without getting the special pendant item from the Duke's Archives?
Correct. But he just beat O&S so he'll be able to get the pendant after placing the Lordvessel.
Thanks for the information regarding O&S and OD, didn't know most of that stuff. I should really try to find a good recap of DS1 lore/story, any suggestions?
In other news, it's funny how (DS2 boss spoiler?)
In other news, it's funny how (DS2 boss spoiler?)
I struggled so much to beat the two gargoyles in DS1 and I managed to kill the 5 Belfry gargoyles in just a couple of tries. Really intense fight though
Holy smokes, I got Gravelord'd in the Catacombs. As soon as I saw those red phantom skeletons, my first thought was: Red. Phantom. Bonewheels.
And yes, there they were, they are real. There's no god. Only pain and suffering.
Good thing someone killed the Servant before too long.
And yes, there they were, they are real. There's no god. Only pain and suffering.
Good thing someone killed the Servant before too long.
I made it to Blighttown and I have to say that it's the most Soulsy level of the entire series. It's been so long since I beat this part and didn't remember it being this much of a challenge.
Awkard Platforming - Check
Hidden Enemies - Check
Difficult to Navigate - Check
Poison Swamps - Check
Flying Enemies - Check
Toxic - Check
I really can't believe it took me so long to find the bonfires on this stage and I thoroughly check every nook and cranny when I play these games. I must have lost about 60K souls by the time I finally found the 1st bonfire, which I passed multiple times. I lost 30K souls during my 1st exploration run searching for it. I found the exit before I got to both bonfires and the boss lol.
Time to kill the Spider Bitch.
Now that I am getting a refresher in DS1, I am liking the challenge much more than in BB and DS3. DS2 is the only one I didn't put much time into because the input controls just seem too off for me to be successful in a game like this.
Lore Question.
Where does this story fit with DS3? If the player is the one killing the bosses than why does the story say they got killed another way? Were some of the DS3 bosses around during the same time as the DS1 bosses? or has thousands of years past?
Awkard Platforming - Check
Hidden Enemies - Check
Difficult to Navigate - Check
Poison Swamps - Check
Flying Enemies - Check
Toxic - Check
I really can't believe it took me so long to find the bonfires on this stage and I thoroughly check every nook and cranny when I play these games. I must have lost about 60K souls by the time I finally found the 1st bonfire, which I passed multiple times. I lost 30K souls during my 1st exploration run searching for it. I found the exit before I got to both bonfires and the boss lol.
Time to kill the Spider Bitch.
Now that I am getting a refresher in DS1, I am liking the challenge much more than in BB and DS3. DS2 is the only one I didn't put much time into because the input controls just seem too off for me to be successful in a game like this.
Lore Question.
Where does this story fit with DS3? If the player is the one killing the bosses than why does the story say they got killed another way? Were some of the DS3 bosses around during the same time as the DS1 bosses? or has thousands of years past?
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NG+ Nito is fucking impossible. Goddamn.
EDIT: Got him. Had to cheese him with a Divine Weapon to kill the skeletons and then he's no problem.
EDIT: Got him. Had to cheese him with a Divine Weapon to kill the skeletons and then he's no problem.
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So i was down in the catacombs and i think Patches was supposed to be there but he didnt show up by the lever next to hidden bonfire. Did i miss talking to him somehwere before then?
Also i went to firelink after beating Pinwheel and the guy who has been sitting next to the bonfire since i arrived there is now gone? what would have made him leave?
Also i went to firelink after beating Pinwheel and the guy who has been sitting next to the bonfire since i arrived there is now gone? what would have made him leave?
You don't meet Patches until after Pinwheel down in the Tomb. And you will come across the guy who was next to the bonfire somewhere else now.
Frampt's bad breath. I'm not even kidding. I talked to him sometime after tolling the second bell of awakening and he complained about Frampt — and his smell. Inspired by my success with the bells, he left to take matters into his own hands. Next time I got back to Firelink (which was way before I killed Pinwheel, curiously) he was gone.
That always bothered me, actually. He leaves in a huff, more determined than ever to do *something*. But the next time you meet him, he's standing near the first bridge in New Londo, hollowed. I thought determination is what keeps a person from hollowing in Dark Souls? I keep wondering if I missed something, because otherwise I can't explain why he only took the elevator down, walked to the bridge and apparently lost all hope. It was so anticlimactic.
He met Frampt , Frampt mistaken him with the player and told him about the lords or the lordvessel, He went to the only possible path which was New Londo, an impossible feat for him and turned Hollow since he lost hope quickly
Ban helped me focus on Dark Souls 2, it's still a janky side-step after playing Remastered. While fighting the Pursuerer, I've had the stab teleport me back into its hitbox after rolling away from it. The world also isn't as meshed together as the first game was and you can still ankle-fuck the bosses for the most part. Still having fun with it, but I bought DSIII Deluxe during the sale in preparation.
I still haven't used magic during Dark Souls Remastered or II though...
I still haven't used magic during Dark Souls Remastered or II though...
I had the same problem, I summoned Solaire in DS1 for that, but DS2 I brute forced it. Smaller health pools I think.
Like Orochinagis said, Crestfallen, like all the other NPCs who are in the same quest as you, eventually either go insane (Logan, Solaire), just plain die for good before you ever meet them (Tarkus, Beatrix) or go Hollow, presumably after dying over and over (Crestfallen, Siegmayer, Laurentius). Laurentius seems very confident in his skills, and he is elated that he has a chance to meet Quelana when you tell him about her, but it's for naught as he goes hollow in Blighttown. So it's no surprise to see a jaded bastard like Crestfallen go hollow after presumably getting murdered by ghosts he couldn't even hit.Hell, if you kill him before he goes Hollow he actually thanks you, hah.
Finally got my Platinum. Praise the Sun!
My NG++ run for Sif's 3rd soul to the Giant Blacksmith took probably about an hour. I just rushed through the game without dying and everything was fine, until I got to Anor Londo and it was Gravelorded. For some reason I couldn't Invade the Gravelord Servant, and no one else seemed to have killed him either, so I had to keep on going, Red Phantoms and all, since I was so close. As I was running up along the beam to kill the Silver Knight Archer, I get AoE'd by a Vagrant of all things, which knocked me to my death.
No problem, got the Archer on my next try, rest at the bonfire, proceed to do the skip through the stairwell and as I run down the corridor there's a Red Silver Knight Phantom which kills me in one hit. It was absolutely ridiculous and bizarre, like a Nightmare version of Dark Souls; like Westworld gone berserk. But in the end it made getting the Platinum more satisfying.
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Noema that's a tough ending!
I was rolling through ng++ pretty happily, died a couple of times, but could always recover my souls. Was at 700k when I got to the AL archers...
Got stuck on them and had several failed attempts, but managed to pick up my souls each time. Died again and was running around the middle square tower when I made a split second mistake and just ran off to my death! 700k souks gone!
Of course I got past the archers the next go!
Anyway, I'm on Xbox, if anyone wants me to lend them weapons for knights honour, message me and I'll arrange a time. It might take me a day or two to get online depending on what day it is.
I was rolling through ng++ pretty happily, died a couple of times, but could always recover my souls. Was at 700k when I got to the AL archers...
Got stuck on them and had several failed attempts, but managed to pick up my souls each time. Died again and was running around the middle square tower when I made a split second mistake and just ran off to my death! 700k souks gone!
Of course I got past the archers the next go!
Anyway, I'm on Xbox, if anyone wants me to lend them weapons for knights honour, message me and I'll arrange a time. It might take me a day or two to get online depending on what day it is.
Great video from the golden age of Dark Souls, for those who are interested in the story but can't figure it out on your own.
I was still getting summoned at 95ish with a ton of upgraded and Boss weapons just outside the Four Kings boss gate. Problem is you need a moderately competent host for that fight to be worth your time.
Have you tried the Artorias fog gate?
The Duke's Archives bonfire is usually pretty active at that level.