sooooo....what happened to Isla Sorna? Has the Lost World been written out of canon? Or did the world conveniently forget theres another island of dinosaurs that are already free?
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Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom |OT| The Park is gone [Open Spoilers]
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It was explained away in the viral marketing campaign for the film. Basically before JW all the Sorna dinosaurs were transported to Nublar.
Kind of a cheap way to write off Sorna, especially off screen but at least they acknowledge it. And yes they've always said all films are canon.
I enjoyed the second half a lot more than the first half of the film. I really liked the idea of what they were trying to do with mixing in some horror elements (at least that's how I felt it was trying to be) but I wish they pushed that a bit more.
What kills me about this is that the T-Rex population should be much larger if they transported them all off Sorna. It really is a shitty way of writing those islands off.
Maybe I just have shit taste, but I enjoyed this more than at least half the MCU and all the DCEU. It's my favorite film of the year so far after A Quiet Place.
*Shrug* Yeah, it was dumb as shit but outside of some real iffy pacing, I was thoroughly entertained throughout.
*Shrug* Yeah, it was dumb as shit but outside of some real iffy pacing, I was thoroughly entertained throughout.
I mean, other than Wonder Woman, every DCEU film is pure trash so that's not saying much. Haha.
Man just got out and I did not really like it at all,
When they got the clone human part I threw my hands in the air. I also dont like the sympathy angle for the dinosaurs they keep trying to play. The first one was as close to a perfect movie as you can get for me and since theyve gone away from "all dinos are the bad guy" angle ive kind of hated them. The other movies in the franchise I could find myself watching them again, but im not so sure about this one.
When they got the clone human part I threw my hands in the air. I also dont like the sympathy angle for the dinosaurs they keep trying to play. The first one was as close to a perfect movie as you can get for me and since theyve gone away from "all dinos are the bad guy" angle ive kind of hated them. The other movies in the franchise I could find myself watching them again, but im not so sure about this one.
Same here. I wanted to laugh like a maniac when I saw it because I didn't expect them to do something like that but I knew it wasn't really supposed to be funny, especially since no one in my theater was laughing.
Well we only know that at least 3 Rexes lived in Sorna, maybe 4 if you count ///s to be a different Rex. The Spino ate all the Rexes? The Sorna Rexes died before the events of JW, it was 10 years after all? It's not something that bothers me much.
I'm with you that it's a crappy way of writing the islands off but at the very least they gave us an explanation. I wanted JW3 to take place in Sorna instead of whatever we're going to get now for JW3.
Just to clarify, Blue didn't see the gas. He sniffed it.
It's still silly but at least makes a bit more sense that way.
It's still silly but at least makes a bit more sense that way.
That was the entire justification for the last movie though. The plot was that people were bored of dinosaurs. They lost their wow factor. This movie is all, we love dinosaurs.
The people who could afford to go to Jurassic World were bored with dinosaurs. That doesn't mean everyone in the world has seen a dinosaur in person. In fact, most probably hadn't yet.
The plot you're describing was still from the viewpoint of the park itself. Of course there would still be people in the world who would be in awe when they saw a dinosaur. It just wasn't as special as it used to in general.
There are plenty of issues with the movie but that's nitpicking.
I liked the movie but the ending should have gone differently. I love animals but that doesn't mean I'd let a bunch of carnivorous animals loose instead of keeping them locked up to potentially die. Also when I first saw the girl who was dudes "granddaughter" I knew she was a clone.
I thought it was super weak. Like, the story they are presenting is super dumb and I am not sure why they keep spending so much time on exposition when it is all stupid as hell and no one gives a shit. At times it almost feels like Trevorrow is trying to make something akin to Planet of the Apes but the writing is just not anywhere close to competent enough to tell that kind of story seriously.
As far as dumb Kaiju movies go this year (or Kaiju adjacent at the very least in the case of Jurassic World) both Pacific Rim 2 and Rampage were miles better. Both movies had the good sense to just allow Boyega and the Rock respectively carry the human sections of the film. These "Jurassic" movies could easily do something similar but instead they are aiming higher and falling flat on their face.
The Meg looks good though, that one should be a lot of fun.
The opening scene where they extract the Indominus Rex tooth from the water was perfect. Stretch that out into 90-100 minutes and you have yourself a damn good movie. They should either go full dumb action or full horror with this franchise.
As far as dumb Kaiju movies go this year (or Kaiju adjacent at the very least in the case of Jurassic World) both Pacific Rim 2 and Rampage were miles better. Both movies had the good sense to just allow Boyega and the Rock respectively carry the human sections of the film. These "Jurassic" movies could easily do something similar but instead they are aiming higher and falling flat on their face.
The Meg looks good though, that one should be a lot of fun.
The opening scene where they extract the Indominus Rex tooth from the water was perfect. Stretch that out into 90-100 minutes and you have yourself a damn good movie. They should either go full dumb action or full horror with this franchise.
This movie fucking sucks and it's boring
How do you make a dinosaur movie boring
Well they did it somehow
Yikes
How do you make a dinosaur movie boring
Well they did it somehow
Yikes
lol yeah I was getting huge Resident Evil vibes as well. There's a secret lab under this spooky old house? Yep. lol.
Another reason why I got those Resident Evil vibes was that this movie took a sort of horror film turn in the middle part and was darker and scarier than most JP films.
I didn't like Jurassic World much at all, so I came into the theatre this evening with very low expectations, but I found this movie surprisingly enjoyable. There is heaps of fan service, but they take things in directions you don't expect.
What a fucking shit movie.
Everything up until they hit mainland was fine. The moment they got to that house it went downhill.
The image of the brontosaurus on the dock was heartbreaking and incredible.
But then it turned into a literal greatest hits of iconic shots from previous films done by a horrible cover band.
It's literally South Park's member berries brought to life.
Hey you liked when the girl from the first movie hid in a cupboard and closed the door in the nick of time to fool a raptor? Check.
Hey remember when they had to reboot the system to turn on all the lights? Check.
Remember when they had the shadow of the raptor in amongst fake versions of the same animal? Check.
Remember when they had to climb up a scaffolding (in this case an emergency ladder) to avoid the raptor? Check.
Remember when the female kid stood in terror against the wall and the male hero had to come and grab her to get her moving again? Check.
Remember that hunter guy from JP2 who only wanted to get a T. rex head for his wall? Well now he likes teeth. Check.
Remember when raptors tapped its toes once in the original film and then once in JW1 for a great callback? Check check check check check check.
The list goes on and on and on and on. It's aggravating.
And then we have the characters.
A dinosaur vet who has never seen a fucking dinosaur in real life.
A nerd stereotype who serves literally zero purpose.
Then we have Owen and Claire - why even split them up in between films? He had zero moral quandary about going back to the island at all, and they ended up kissing anyway. It's lazy plot for the sake of plot.
And then Zephram fucking Cochrane as not-John-Hammond-but-it-basically-was and his cloned daughter. L M F A O.
Can we talk about the villain for a second? ALL THAT FOR $150m?!?!? It probably cost more to transport the fucking dinosaurs back from nublar.
It's Austin powers' Dr. Evil level of stupid.
And, finally for the sake of my blood pressure:
Indominous Raptor...
Ok.
So.
The Indominous Rex was a mix between a T-Rex and... a raptor...
So they added... more.. raptor? And got.. that.
Ok then.
So the message of the film seems to be: fuck dinosaurs. This tech is gonna be used to clone PEOPLE!
And ok, cool message, but the granddaughter/daughter cloning serves zero purpose to the plot of the film other than to let the girl go "hey they're fake like me!" And press a button.
I think I honestly hate this movie. And I LOVE the franchise. Goddamnit.
Everything up until they hit mainland was fine. The moment they got to that house it went downhill.
The image of the brontosaurus on the dock was heartbreaking and incredible.
But then it turned into a literal greatest hits of iconic shots from previous films done by a horrible cover band.
It's literally South Park's member berries brought to life.
Hey you liked when the girl from the first movie hid in a cupboard and closed the door in the nick of time to fool a raptor? Check.
Hey remember when they had to reboot the system to turn on all the lights? Check.
Remember when they had the shadow of the raptor in amongst fake versions of the same animal? Check.
Remember when they had to climb up a scaffolding (in this case an emergency ladder) to avoid the raptor? Check.
Remember when the female kid stood in terror against the wall and the male hero had to come and grab her to get her moving again? Check.
Remember that hunter guy from JP2 who only wanted to get a T. rex head for his wall? Well now he likes teeth. Check.
Remember when raptors tapped its toes once in the original film and then once in JW1 for a great callback? Check check check check check check.
The list goes on and on and on and on. It's aggravating.
And then we have the characters.
A dinosaur vet who has never seen a fucking dinosaur in real life.
A nerd stereotype who serves literally zero purpose.
Then we have Owen and Claire - why even split them up in between films? He had zero moral quandary about going back to the island at all, and they ended up kissing anyway. It's lazy plot for the sake of plot.
And then Zephram fucking Cochrane as not-John-Hammond-but-it-basically-was and his cloned daughter. L M F A O.
Can we talk about the villain for a second? ALL THAT FOR $150m?!?!? It probably cost more to transport the fucking dinosaurs back from nublar.
It's Austin powers' Dr. Evil level of stupid.
And, finally for the sake of my blood pressure:
Indominous Raptor...
Ok.
So.
The Indominous Rex was a mix between a T-Rex and... a raptor...
So they added... more.. raptor? And got.. that.
Ok then.
So the message of the film seems to be: fuck dinosaurs. This tech is gonna be used to clone PEOPLE!
And ok, cool message, but the granddaughter/daughter cloning serves zero purpose to the plot of the film other than to let the girl go "hey they're fake like me!" And press a button.
I think I honestly hate this movie. And I LOVE the franchise. Goddamnit.
The film reminded me a bit of 28 Days later in how it pivots half way through in a way you don't expect. In 28 Days Later you think the film is going to be about zombies, but it turns out it's about Marines trying to rape some women. In JP:Fallen Kingdom, you start out on the Island and you assume our heroes are going to have another non-stop adventure in the jungle, rescuing dinosaurs, but very quickly the viewer is whisked away to a sort of mysterious mansion where we spend the rest of the film.
Thought the movie was fine. Solid 7.5. The island parts were cool despite the dumb hunting during an eruption. The brachiosaurus scene was heartbreaking.
I like the horror vibe with the mansion, like trying to sneak around and constantly hearing the Indo's claws tapping was tense. I also liked the scene where it plays with the hunter before killing it, really shows the intelligence they wanted it to have if it plays with its food.
I saw this comment before but I really think they should've had a Cabin in the Woods type scene where all the dinos get out and just tear through those auction people. Also missed opportunity by not having the Indo grab someone from inside the cage.
I like the horror vibe with the mansion, like trying to sneak around and constantly hearing the Indo's claws tapping was tense. I also liked the scene where it plays with the hunter before killing it, really shows the intelligence they wanted it to have if it plays with its food.
I saw this comment before but I really think they should've had a Cabin in the Woods type scene where all the dinos get out and just tear through those auction people. Also missed opportunity by not having the Indo grab someone from inside the cage.
I loved how intense it was and most of the acting was great but yeah the story was pretty stupid.
The story and premise at the beginning was so bad that I was really concerned for how the film was going, but once the setup was over with and everyone got to the island things went smoothly.
Obviously ideally they would have just used John Hammond as the rich old man, but Richard Attenborough is dead so instead of coming up with a different plot point they... invented a whole new rich old man...? I wouldn't have made this choice.
Obviously ideally they would have just used John Hammond as the rich old man, but Richard Attenborough is dead so instead of coming up with a different plot point they... invented a whole new rich old man...? I wouldn't have made this choice.
They were totally setting up the released dinos as some sort of threat like they were going to multiply exponentially in a few days/weeks. I dunno, maybe they'll explain it better in 3, or maybe wu goes off again and breeds a fuckton in new york or something, who knows or cares at this point?
And i dont think any of the sold dinos even got transported to the buyers before hell broke loose, and probably more than half died so once again that went nowhere, but once again maybe one of them pays wu to merge all the dinosaurs into some voltron like beast, god this movie was dumb, and i hope they just go dumber like the fast and furious movies went, just embrace the insanity.
I also spotted the news ticker mention "G8 Summit to discuss dinosaurs" though, shouldn't it be G7 now?
I thought it was pretty overtly there in the trailers. "Yo, check it out, we made a new raptor. This one's a bit bigger or something. Sure hope it doesn't get out in this mansion and attack any little girls."
Russia never annexed Crimea in the Jurassic World universe. This obviously has big implications for the next film.
The movie was entertaining, but man does it have some issues. I think the most glaring thing was the drive of the villain, it's understandable that he could turn to selling the animals, but him selling them for pennies on the dollar and wanting engineer a combat weapon with those money? It simply didn't make a lot of sense when it could easily be killed by modern weapons in a real combat scenario.
The girl being a clone was just dumb and unnecessary, atleast in the way they set it up in the movie and the amount of creatures released into the wild didn't seem super sustainable for them to take over the world.
The girl being a clone was just dumb and unnecessary, atleast in the way they set it up in the movie and the amount of creatures released into the wild didn't seem super sustainable for them to take over the world.
Because kids like kids? A blockbuster has to appeal to everyone.
Also at one point the leader of the mercenaries checks up on Zia in the truck and then says to himself "What a nasty woman" which I'm pretty sure is a Trump reference.
Did anyone else gag at the horrible horrible jurasic world title animation with the lava? Like holly shit it basically said " are you ready for a shit movie, well here is the ultimate c-grade shit title sequence to get you in the mood".
This is the first film I've even felt disgusted by the idea anyone could like. It's so damn horrible in every way imaginable. From the father murdering eye rolling evil villain, to the swelling music of the indo raptor roaring while basking in moon light, it was the most cliche, mind numbing piece of shit we'be seen in awhile.
This is the first film I've even felt disgusted by the idea anyone could like. It's so damn horrible in every way imaginable. From the father murdering eye rolling evil villain, to the swelling music of the indo raptor roaring while basking in moon light, it was the most cliche, mind numbing piece of shit we'be seen in awhile.
I know about the new dinosaur breed, but I thought the entire thing happen in the confine of the island.
When the island part were done, I had to check my watch and surprised it was only an hour. No wonder the asshole hunter betrayal happen so fast.
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Blue was about to wreak havoc on an unsuspecting neighborhood at the end of the movie. How many kids do you think she killed that day? I had fun with the movie, but it was dumb as shit from beginning to end.
I'm sure I'm not the first person to say this, but I probably would have enjoyed Fallen Kingdom if the two trailers and commercials hadn't given away the movie almost in its entirety. Most of the time I was going either "oh, here's that scene from the trailer" or "so, that part is probably coming up next."
Congress can barely address the issue of Mexican kids being held in concentration camps, and you think they'll convene to discuss saving the fucking dinosaurs? Come the fuck on, movie.
Saw it tonight. Terrible movie. The kids behind me seemed to really enjoy it though so good on them.
Especially dinosaurs that killed people, probably expensive to move and buying or setting aside precious land just to put them somewhere
Lol it was never going to pass
I think this is actually very realistic. Ignore real concerns with a big irrelevant distraction.
Lol They probably take meetings to waste time while knowing it's too expensive
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It's been all over the marketing. Mansion, auction, Indoraptor loose in the mansion, creeps on little girl, Blue saves the day in that bedroom.
Haha I thought the same thing like, um who cares about a dozen dinosaurs being released, but then I recalled the cut where they show the briefcase of embryos and recalled that what was being sold at this auction wasn't individual dinosaurs, but also whole species.
Really the message that the movie is getting at at the end is one of nuclear proliferation. It's less about dinosaurs getting out into the wild, and more about genetic technology being set loose across the world and being accessible to some very bad actors.
The only thing confirmed is that the Spino is either killed or left Sorna. The T-Rex family, Tiger Raptors, other T-Rex and other predators are still on Sorna.
It's also never stated that they stripped the island completely. What we do know is that the eco system has been destroyed. If they want to use Sorna in future movies there are plenty of opportunities.
Blue is the last of her kind because she is the only trained raptor still alive.
If I had gone to this movie by myself I would have walked out. The acting was terrible, the story was predictable and extremely shallow, the characters were one dimensional, the dialogue was mostly cringeworthy and the humor fell flat.
The only two redeeming factors were the CG dinosaurs and the orchestral score.
Also, I usually see movies at a little independent theatre and saw this at an AMC... holy shit... 40 minuets of previews, are you serious?
The only two redeeming factors were the CG dinosaurs and the orchestral score.
Also, I usually see movies at a little independent theatre and saw this at an AMC... holy shit... 40 minuets of previews, are you serious?
WHAT A STUPID DUMBASS MOVIE. I hated every second of it. I spent most of the movie laughing, cringing, and being angry because how dumb these people were. I told y'all I didn't want this movie to be a rescue op to save the dinosaurs. I knew this was going to be a stupid idea. I still can't get over the stupidity of these characters and the way the film was written. Jurassic World wasn't even this bad. This seriously didn't even feel like a proper Jurassic Park movie. What the hell did they do to my childhood?
Such much CGI after CGI after CGI nonsense happening in the dumb movie. What a mess. Also, that little girl isn't even a real human being? WTF is this movie? I'm sorry for all the cursing, but this franchise means a lot to me and they managed to make a dinosaur movie that was even worse than Jurassic Park 3. How the hell was that even possible in 2018 when we're supposed to learn from those past mistakes?
This movie gets a "JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP FAM"/ 10
Also, feel my rage over how I felt when seeing this waste of time.
Such much CGI after CGI after CGI nonsense happening in the dumb movie. What a mess. Also, that little girl isn't even a real human being? WTF is this movie? I'm sorry for all the cursing, but this franchise means a lot to me and they managed to make a dinosaur movie that was even worse than Jurassic Park 3. How the hell was that even possible in 2018 when we're supposed to learn from those past mistakes?
This movie gets a "JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP FAM"/ 10
Also, feel my rage over how I felt when seeing this waste of time.
Wasn't enthralled... it's about on par with Jurassic Park 3 for me, when I was really hoping it'd at least be as good as JP2 or JW1.
Too many callbacks, not enough of that JP magic (well, Spielberg magic really) that you got a healthy dose of in the better films from the franchise.
Some really good set pieces though.
Too many callbacks, not enough of that JP magic (well, Spielberg magic really) that you got a healthy dose of in the better films from the franchise.
Some really good set pieces though.
I didn't like it. It's extrememly cynical for a JP movie.
The girl is a clone. Really fucking weird.