Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]

VallenValiant · Jun 23, 2018

methane47 said:
This has ALREADY happened. With Fortnite.. MULTIPLE times.
MULTIPLE times Fortnite Devs have fucked up an update and released versions that had PSN - XBL crossplay enabled.

There is a difference between physical impossibility, and contractual impossibility.
Yes, Epic can force Crossplay. It would also lead to immediate retaliation by Sony with massive consequences both legally and contractually.
Epic want Crossplay. It benefits them. So it isn't them who are preventing it.

upinsmoke · Jun 23, 2018

statham said:
Sony can fix this with a flip of the switch. epic can not.

Sure they can. Just remove it from the ps store.

They wont though because as much as Sony needs to unlock this Epic prefers the money over your choices too.

mutombo · Jun 23, 2018

I don't really understand why I'd want to play with PC and Mac players. Mouse/Keyboard has such a big advantage over controllers.

Xbox fine I guess, but that's more of a "i don't care, really" way of looking at things.

Dave. · Jun 23, 2018

upinsmoke said:
Sure they can. Just remove it from the ps store.

They wont though because as much as Sony needs to unlock this Epic prefers the money over your choices too.

They wont do this because it makes no sense. A much better idea would be to remove it from the Xbox store and Switch store, which would fix the problem just as good but with probably half the lost users and lost revenue. But of course it would be a terrible thing to do.

RedRum · Jun 23, 2018

methane47 said:
This has ALREADY happened. With Fortnite.. MULTIPLE times.
MULTIPLE times Fortnite Devs have fucked up an update and released versions that had PSN - XBL crossplay enabled.

Lol wat?! So Sony is running the Account servers for Epic games?
By that reasoning... you believe then that sony is keeping track of data and progression for IOS, PC and all android accounts?
Orrr are you saying that Apple owns all the IOS accounts
Microsoft Owns all the PC accounts and Google owns all the Android accounts?

Is that your claim?

Does Google own my Tinder account too?

Ugh. I don't know how many times I can repeat myself.

Different rules for different platforms. When accounts have to be "LINKED", someone has to make the rules. In the case of CONSOLES, the parent authority would be the PLATFORM on which the game is played. PSN and XBox Live. There are two accounts. Your EPIC account and XBL/PSN account. They also must be linked. Once linked, there are a set of rules that Epic MUST follow to ensure that Sony/MS continues to allow their game to be played on their PLATFORM. Of which they own. Of which the parent account (PSN/XBL) resides.

JimmyJacking · Jun 23, 2018

RedRum said:
Ugh. I don't know how many times I can repeat myself.

It's called willful ignorance- no matter how many people in this thread explain to him (her) they just completely ignore it..

It gets old..

DesiacX · Jun 23, 2018

methane47 said:
This has ALREADY happened. With Fortnite.. MULTIPLE times.
MULTIPLE times Fortnite Devs have fucked up an update and released versions that had PSN - XBL crossplay enabled.

Key words from my statement.

"and there is nothing Sony can do about it"

Microsoft was the one who shut those slip ups down.

RedRum · Jun 23, 2018

JimmyJacking said:
It's called willful ignorance- no matter how many people in this thread explain to him (her) they just completely ignore it..

It gets old..

It does, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they aren't pushing against the gain of reason just for the sake of it. Unfortunately, there's been a lot of that.

As an integrator for a rather large company, I sympathize with Epic here. I really do. We create software concepts, show them to customers, pick up a contract, and then get completely bogged down with the requirements in which the customer demands to grant our software to integrate into their infrastructure. Sony is so stingy with their infrastructure I bet Epic's lawyers had to read through a bible's worth of pages of rules and regulations in order to get Sony's seal of approval. There's also the matter of users not being warned. I even commented on that as well, as it might be a legal issue for Epic to have warned users in the first place due to whatever agreements there are between Epic and Sony.

DukeBlue · Jun 23, 2018

I honestly can't believe how many people are still defending Sony and trying to shift most of the blame to Epic. Jfc people

Kerozinn · Jun 23, 2018

99 pages but still 0 fucks given by sony

Cosmic Schwung · Jun 23, 2018

mutombo said:
I don't really understand why I'd want to play with PC and Mac players. Mouse/Keyboard has such a big advantage over controllers.

Xbox fine I guess, but that's more of a "i don't care, really" way of looking at things.

This is more about people wanting to play and have fun with friends than trying to be competitive. Also Fortnite on PS4 supports M+KB.

Mbolibombo · Jun 23, 2018

People still defending Sony on this matter?

That's fun..

DesiacX · Jun 23, 2018

SimpleCRIPPLE said:
Really feels like enough time has passed that Sony is going to get away with this. Other than a vocal minority, it feels like the outrage has moved on to acceptance.

Kerozinn said:
99 pages but still 0 fucks given by sony

I feel like we are on a cycle and this marks the return to the beginning of it.

As long as we skip the Xbox Live F2P part of it this time, i think ill be fine.

Voxels · Jun 23, 2018

This is the best soap opera I've experienced in years! The drama! The excitement! I hope they don't unlock it just to see this continue to play out. All these pages, and no resolution. And the very notion of a company not being Anti-Consumer is entertaining to say the least. The narrative can be a David Cage game.

NLCPRESIDENT · Jun 23, 2018

DukeBlue said:
I honestly can't believe how many people are still defending Sony and trying to shift most of the blame to Epic. Jfc people

I can't believe people still think there's some innocent party in this mess...
In the midst of all of this Epic and Sony are still making deals, eating fat ass Kobe steaks laughing at this thread. Like Sony has a gun to Epics Head making them do anything. That's what's hilarious!

You or nobody (again) in this thread knows what's going on and is all speculation.

RedRum said:
Developer creates game.
Developer meets with platform representatives.
Platform representatives give developer guidance and rules to release said game. Developers must adhere to this or risk not getting their game on said platform.
Each platform has a specific set of guidelines for the developer to meet.
Developer's game goes through verification process to make sure their game adheres to the guidelines set forth by platform holder.
Game releases on platforms.

Epic does not own the accounts. The platform holder owns the account.

You forgot the part where developers and platform reps make a deal knowing the terms and conditions. They still didn't give a shit and signed on the dotted line.

"Developers must adhere to this or risk not getting their game on said platform" Ok, let's just fuck people over to get our game out then... i mean, if the account thing is a really a problem.

NLCPRESIDENT · Jun 23, 2018

DesiacX said:
Ok, since im getting a bit tired of doing this, i'm just going to quote an older post and say that the developer can't imply that you could or should play somewhere else from inside the game, for what i hope are obvious reasons, and therefore was unable to even warn people of this.

Sorry for the double post
But you quoted me and this was my response to your idea of a warning.

"Ok, yea it didn't specify. You right, but my point still stands. And I'm not complaining here.. (I actually don't play fortnite but my kids do). I'm saying they should have put a specific warning on the PS4 version before making an account that would eventually lock you out of other specific platforms. That would've solved everything. Sure you would still have the policy situation, but at least people would have known.

It's their job to make sure that their community doesn't become "hostage" by a policy that they knew of before the consumer did. Not to tell you that shit when it's too late, after trying to get it up in the Switch. Sony has a policy that needs updating for the current gaming climate and Epic needs to work harder for their community so that this doesn't happen again. No excuses."

Deleted member 6733 · Jun 23, 2018

DesiacX said:
I feel like we are on a cycle and this marks the return to the beginning of it.

As long as we skip the Xbox Live F2P part of it this time, i think ill be fine.

Yup. I check the thread when there has been some activity, hoping to see an update but all I see is Groundhog Day. Seems this discussion has met its end and should probably be locked.

DesiacX · Jun 23, 2018

NLCPRESIDENT said:
Sorry for the double post
But you quoted me and this was my response to your idea of a warning.

"Ok, yea it didn't specify. You right, but my point still stands. And I'm not complaining here.. (I actually don't play fortnite but my kids do). I'm saying they should have put a specific warning on the PS4 version before making an account that would eventually lock you out of other specific platforms. That would've solved everything. Sure you would still have the policy situation, but at least people would have known.

It's their job to make sure that their community doesn't become "hostage" by a policy that they knew of before the consumer did. Not to tell you that shit when it's too late, after trying to get it up in the Switch. Sony has a policy that needs updating for the current gaming climate and Epic needs to work harder for their community so that this doesn't happen again. No excuses."

I agree that they should have, but acknowledge that they couldn't have, not only via language, but via timing. This was not relevant until the Xbox One version received Crossplay/Cross Progression, which if i recall, was in March. It wouldve shafted anyone who had played on PSN before then, because they would not have gotten a warning, just a notification that they are locked there, and heck, even without it people were able to figure that out pretty quickly on both ends.

As ive stated, you are right that it's Epics job, and they'd probably do it too if it was in their power to do so. I believe there is a fairly solid case for why they don't, though.

Arthas said:
Yup. I check the thread when there has been some activity, hoping to see an update but all I see is Groundhog Day. Seems this discussion has met its end and should probably be locked.

I look forward to the Rocket League Cross Party thread where none of the arguments that are in here will work, and where all the arguments from the previous threads on Rocket League Crossplay are outdated. That one won't even last past 30 pages cause there won't be nearly as much opposition beyond people not caring (or at least i'd hope).

ghostcrew · Jun 23, 2018

mutombo said:
I don't really understand why I'd want to play with PC and Mac players. Mouse/Keyboard has such a big advantage over controllers.

Xbox fine I guess, but that's more of a "i don't care, really" way of looking at things.

1. PS4 natively supports KB&M in Fortnite. Plug in a USB keyboard and mouse to your PS4 and all of the icons switch to PC icons and it works wonderfully. People are doing this already on PS4 (it's not a hack - it's fully supported by the system/game) so you'll want to avoid the PS4 version if you're worried about mouse users.

2. Cross-play is completely opt-in in Fortnite. That means that by default you only play with players on the same platform. The only way to play with other consoles is to either party up with a PC/Switch/mobile friend and matchmake into a crossplay server or by flipping a switch that allows other platforms in. By default you will never be randomly matched with PC players.

3. This 100 page thread isn't about cross-play. It's about Epic accounts being effectively locked from playing on/logging into other consoles if they've so much as logged in once on a PS4, even if all of their purchases were made on another platform. They lose their account to Sony as soon as they log in on a PS4 and can never play on Switch or Xbox again without making a completely new account.

Arthands · Jun 23, 2018

Arthas said:
Yup. I check the thread when there has been some activity, hoping to see an update but all I see is Groundhog Day. Seems this discussion has met its end and should probably be locked.

Nah, locking this thread is essentially sweeping this issue under the rug.

MrCarter · Jun 23, 2018

Pablo Mesa said:

That's cute but this isn't nowhere near that level. I think the Shuhei and Adam video has over 16 million views as that how much it impacted not just hardcore fans but casuals too.

Deleted member 6733 · Jun 23, 2018

Arthands said:
Nah, locking this thread is essentially sweeping this issue under the rug.

Good point.

I thought I was replying to myself then - very similar names lol

Powerofthecloud · Jun 23, 2018

Arthas said:
Yup. I check the thread when there has been some activity, hoping to see an update but all I see is Groundhog Day. Seems this discussion has met its end and should probably be locked.

Oh cool has the issue been resolved?

Betty · Jun 23, 2018

Powerofthecloud said:
Oh cool has the issue been resolved?

No but if it was going to be it would've happened by now, especially when this issue was making the news and trying to trend on twitter.

Keep the thread open by all means but it feels like the only way it gets fixed is when Sony decide to do something, either at E3 or more likely next gen.

ghostcrew · Jun 23, 2018

Betty said:
Keep the thread open by all means

Thank you undercover mod

Betty said:
but it feels like the only way it gets fixed is when Sony decide to do something

yes that would be good

Doskoi Panda · Jun 23, 2018

Jesus Ethomaz. .

ghostcrew · Jun 23, 2018

Solid said:
seriously how is Ethomaz even still around

He's not, he's banned. Won't be around for two weeks!

Papercuts · Jun 23, 2018

Hopefully they fix this within the next two weeks so everyone's brain cells can be spared just a little bit more.

Deleted member 12635 · Jun 23, 2018

ghostcrew said:
He's not, he's banned. Won't be around for two weeks!

He is on my ignore list since I have an account on ResetEra. So glad I never see his posts other than when I want to. A master in mental gymnastics.

"The Sony juices are strong with him"
- Yoghurt

ghostcrew · Jun 23, 2018

Papercuts said:
Hopefully they fix this within the next two weeks so everyone's brain cells can be spared just a little bit more.

lol what's stretching your brain cells?

GraveRobberX · Jun 23, 2018

Have we reached Occupy Sony status yet in this thread?

ghostcrew · Jun 23, 2018

GraveRobberX said:
Have we reached Occupy Sony status yet in this thread?

What do you mean?

GraveRobberX · Jun 23, 2018

ghostcrew said:
What do you mean?

Just posting or regurgitating the same talk
Like hunkering down in this thread until shit changes

You know like the Occupy Wall Street movement

I'm just waiting for the Hell No We Won't Go! posts to littered in the Thread

Jrs3000 · Jun 23, 2018

GraveRobberX said:
Just posting or regurgitating the same talk
Like hunkering down in this thread until shit changes

You know like the Occupy Wall Street movement

I'm just waiting for the Hell No We Won't Go! posts to littered in the Thread

Should go to Sony HQ and stand with signs. Also any Sony exec public appearance just crash it.

Liliana · Jun 23, 2018

GraveRobberX said:
Just posting or regurgitating the same talk
Like hunkering down in this thread until shit changes

You know like the Occupy Wall Street movement

I'm just waiting for the Hell No We Won't Go! posts to littered in the Thread

What kind of bullshit is this, seriously?

Deleted member 21709 · Jun 23, 2018

Arthas said:
Yup. I check the thread when there has been some activity, hoping to see an update but all I see is Groundhog Day. Seems this discussion has met its end and should probably be locked.

Locked? What the fuck

GraveRobberX said:
Just posting or regurgitating the same talk
Like hunkering down in this thread until shit changes

You know like the Occupy Wall Street movement

I'm just waiting for the Hell No We Won't Go! posts to littered in the Thread

What is your problem? People are being affected by this. Just because Sony doesn't respond shouldn't mean we can't talk about it.

Deleted member 6733 · Jun 23, 2018

Ingueferroque said:
Locked? What the fuck

Lol don't be so precious. This isn't me taking Sony's side, I think it's filth what they're doing.

I'm frustrated to come back into the thread expecting an update only to see the same bullshit from Sony defenders and same arguments going around in circles.

That is all.

usyk · Jun 23, 2018

As a PS4 player I don't want to play together with pc players with keyboard and mouse (don't tell me ps4 also supports it? I just like controller), so xbox remains, but Sony would never allow to play together with them, especially leading 2:1 in player base.

Pikachu · Jun 23, 2018

Finally got my friends on Xbox to do the Epic account thing so we can play together (I have Switch) and it was wonderful. Six straight hours. Worth.

ghostcrew · Jun 23, 2018

usyk said:
As a PS4 player I don't want to play together with pc players with keyboard and mouse (don't tell me ps4 also supports it? I just like controller), so xbox remains, but Sony would never allow to play together with them, especially leading 2:1 in player base.

Just copying a post of mine from earlier because this keeps getting asked.

PS4 natively supports KB&M in Fortnite. Plug in a USB keyboard and mouse to your PS4 and all of the icons switch to PC icons and it works wonderfully. People are doing this already on PS4 (it's not a hack - it's fully supported by the system/game) so you'll want to avoid the PS4 version if you're worried about mouse users.

PS4 also already has cross-play with PC and has had since launch.

Cross-play (for most) isn't about 'a 2:1 player base'. It's about partying up with friends on other consoles and playing the same game even though they're on a Switch and you're on an Xbox.

Also this thread isn't strictly about cross-play. If you think it's about that then you're missing the point.

Sokka · Jun 23, 2018

usyk said:
As a PS4 player I don't want to play together with pc players with keyboard and mouse (don't tell me ps4 also supports it? I just like controller), so xbox remains, but Sony would never allow to play together with them, especially leading 2:1 in player base.

Ps4 supports cross-play with pc already, but you have to squad up with a PC player to matchmake with the PC pool.

melodiousmowl · Jun 23, 2018

usyk said:
As a PS4 player I don't want to play together with pc players with keyboard and mouse (don't tell me ps4 also supports it? I just like controller), so xbox remains, but Sony would never allow to play together with them, especially leading 2:1 in player base.

Aside from being not at all the topic, the first part of your point will never happen as an opt-out, so why ruin everyone elses fun?

Nostradamus · Jun 23, 2018

usyk said:
As a PS4 player I don't want to play together with pc players with keyboard and mouse (don't tell me ps4 also supports it? I just like controller), so xbox remains, but Sony would never allow to play together with them, especially leading 2:1 in player base.

Unfortunately, Keyboard and mouse already plague Fortnite on PS4. Having said that, that has nothing to do with crossplay and Epic does allow people to opt in or out of cross platform matchmaking. Actually it's off by default. So there is no reason for Sony not to support crossplay.

Anyway it feels like this thread is running circles but I guess it's better than having people hijacking and derailing every other Sony related thread.

ghostcrew · Jun 23, 2018

Regret said:
What kind of bullshit is this, seriously?

Report and move on. No point in engaging with that kind of toxic rubbish.

BernardoOne · Jun 23, 2018

usyk said:
As a PS4 player I don't want to play together with pc players with keyboard and mouse (don't tell me ps4 also supports it? I just like controller), so xbox remains, but Sony would never allow to play together with them, especially leading 2:1 in player base.

PS4 version of Fortnite has native keyboard and mouse support.

Crocodilelogic · Jun 23, 2018

ghostcrew said:
Just copying a post of mine from earlier because this keeps getting asked.

PS4 natively supports KB&M in Fortnite. Plug in a USB keyboard and mouse to your PS4 and all of the icons switch to PC icons and it works wonderfully. People are doing this already on PS4 (it's not a hack - it's fully supported by the system/game) so you'll want to avoid the PS4 version if you're worried about mouse users.

PS4 also already has cross-play with PC and has had since launch.

Cross-play (for most) isn't about 'a 2:1 player base'. It's about partying up with friends on other consoles and playing the same game even though they're on a Switch and you're on an Xbox.

Also this thread isn't strictly about cross-play. If you think it's about that then you're missing the point.

This is why I wanted to switch to the Xbox version a few months ago when I got my xbox x. I was very disappointed when Sony locked me out of my account on other platforms. Xbox doesn't allow keyboards. Oh well I'll just remake a new account and abandon the PS4 account with all my skins.

GodofWine · Jun 23, 2018

usyk said:
As a PS4 player I don't want to play together with pc players with keyboard and mouse (don't tell me ps4 also supports it? I just like controller), so xbox remains, but Sony would never allow to play together with them, especially leading 2:1 in player base.

That isnt the main issue. The issue is once you use your account is used on a PS4, you can never use your epic account on another console. All your purchases are locked to PSN (or PC)

And you dont have to play with PC players. It will only match you with PS4 players UNLESS you party up with a PC player.

But when you have a friends on xbox switch and PC, you will be the one who cant play with them.

Deleted member 21709 · Jun 23, 2018

usyk said:
As a PS4 player I don't want to play together with pc players with keyboard and mouse (don't tell me ps4 also supports it? I just like controller), so xbox remains, but Sony would never allow to play together with them, especially leading 2:1 in player base.

This is why we need to keep the thread unlocked, because a lot of people still don't get what the actual problem is. This isn't about cross-play.

ghostcrew · Jun 23, 2018

Ingueferroque said:
This is why we need to keep the thread unlocked, because a lot of people still don't get what the actual problem is. This isn't about cross-play.

I kinda feel like the thread title doesn't help. It literally says 'crossplay' in it.

Wouldn't 'Sony's Fortnite cross platform account lock' be more accurate?

elzeus · Jun 23, 2018

Ingueferroque said:
This is why we need to keep the thread unlocked, because a lot of people still don't get what the actual problem is. This isn't about cross-play.

Actually it is. Tim Sweeney didn't go on stage earlier in the year (at State of Unreal session at GDC 2018) and just comment about cross buying microstransactions, he also spoke about crossplay. Epic is using the only card (account progression) they have to try to force Sony's hand on crossplay.

usyk said:
Sony would never allow to play together with them, especially leading 2:1 in player base.

Spit-balling here but they could do it in markets where they have no where near a 2:1 lead like the US (UK?), that way it wouldn't "endanger" these low player pool talking points that people try to throw around. The developers are the ones managing the matchmaking servers anyway so it should be very easy for them to enforce.

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