15 yr old Bronx teen dragged out of store, stabbed repeatedly

rambis · Jun 23, 2018

Very graphic video in article. Didnt see a thread and don't think this has gotten near the coverage it deserves.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/22/the-moment-a-teen-is-pulled-out-of-a-store-and-fatally-stabbed/

Surveillance videos Friday showed the horrifying moment a teen was dragged by a group of thugs out of a Bronx bodega and repeatedly hacked at with a machete before he bled to death on the street — steps away from a hospital.

Lesandro Guzman-Feliz, 15, is seen being dragged by the hood of his shirt out of the Cruz and Chiky grocery on East 183rd Street and Bathgate Avenue in Belmont on Wednesday night.

Absolutely heartbreaking. Not to blame him/her but could the owner not have done more? I feel like this is what a shop keep would be packing heat for. If I stayed in the Bronx I would be marching in the streets.

Aaron Stack · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
Absolutely heartbreaking. Not to blame him/her but could the owner not have done more? I feel like this is what a shop keep would be packing heat for.

Nope

Bond · Jun 23, 2018

Heartbreaking. The US is fucked.

GameShrink · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
Very graphic video in article. Didnt see a thread and don't think this has gotten near the coverage it deserves.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/22/the-moment-a-teen-is-pulled-out-of-a-store-and-fatally-stabbed/

Absolutely heartbreaking. Not to blame him/her but could the owner not have done more? I feel like this is what a shop keep would be packing heat for. If I stayed in the Bronx I would be marching in the streets.

The last thing a shop owner in a high crime area wants to do is interfere with a gang hit.

I wonder what they were after this kid for?

McFly · Jun 23, 2018

I know that place. This is fucked up.

CrankyJay · Jun 23, 2018

Yikes. What is there to discuss? This is horrific.

Malleymal · Jun 23, 2018

I could be wrong , but I heard that it had something to do with someone that looks like this kid releasing the video of a girl having sex. That girl was related to the killers.

It was a mix up.

rambis · Jun 23, 2018

CrankyJay said:
Yikes. What is there to discuss? This is horrific.

I for one feel like the community should respond strongly and let these fucks know this shit won't be tolerated, but thats just me. Sorry I inconvienced you?

Malleymal said:
I could be wrong , but I heard that it had something to do with someone that looks like this kid releasing the video of a girl having sex. That girl was related to the killers.

It was a mix up.

I saw that too. Makes it alot worse if true.

Heromanz · Jun 23, 2018

Aren't fucked up stories against the rules? Like what is there to discuss about this?

Daschiel · Jun 23, 2018

Food for thought, most Spanish speaking people come to this country trying to get their families away from this type of situations and violence, to end in that same manner in what is consider a safer environment hurts even more when it happens. My most sincere condolences to the family.

Dook's Revenge · Jun 23, 2018

Yikes.

rambis · Jun 23, 2018

Heromanz said:
Aren't fucked up stories against the rules? Like what is there to discuss about this?

I find this to be a particularly idiotic and pathetic question. If we can spend multiple pages discussing the death of some abusive rap star, why not keep that same energy with an innocent(?) 15 yr old kid?

I dunno. Fuck it lock the thread since it bothers yall so much.

Blindy · Jun 23, 2018

Saw this yesterday, can't believe the kid nearly got to the hospital from such a far distance. I wish he would have went to the store and allowed the owners to call an ambulance, may have been able to prevent the extensive blood loss and may have increased his chance of living.

Just awful, seeing the pic of his mom holding the son just really hurt. I hope they get those thugs, their faces were video taped and zoomed in and everything. They have nowhere to hide.

Deleted member 20892 · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
I find this to be a particularly retarded and pathetic question.

really now.... cmon

Heromanz · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
I find this to be a particularly retarded and pathetic question. If we can spend multiple pages discussing the death of some abusive rap star, why not keep that same energy with an innocent(?) 15 yr old kid?

I dunno. Fuck it lock the thread since it bothers yall so much.

Hmmmmmm, maybe you watch your language.

rambis · Jun 23, 2018

Calvero said:
really now.... cmon

Retarded

informaloffensive
very foolish or stupid.
"in retrospect, it was a totally retarded idea"

Do you prefer idiotic?

Deleted member 20892 · Jun 23, 2018

mhmmmmmmmm

Stretch · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
I for one feel like the community should respond strongly and let these fucks know this shit won't be tolerated, but thats just me. Sorry I inconvienced you?

What does this even mean? Do you think a couple dudes who hacked up a kid with a machete give a shit about what some random group of videogame nerds think about them? Haha.

Heromanz · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
Do you prefer idiotic?

Don't play dumb.

rambis · Jun 23, 2018

Stretch said:
What does this even mean? Do you think a couple dudes who hacked up a kid with a machete give a shit about what some random group of videogame nerds think about them? Haha.

People in the fucking Bronx? I also don't see a damned thing funny.

____ · Jun 23, 2018

Stretch said:
What does this even mean? Do you think a couple dudes who hacked up a kid with a machete give a shit about what some random group of videogame nerds think about them? Haha.

He's talking about the community where the kid was killed.

You're talking about the community of ResetEra. Simple misunderstanding.

Jebusman · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
People in the fucking Bronx?

People in the Bronx aren't reading your thread, we are.

So if the point of your thread was just so we can all react with "wow that's terrible", it's not really accomplishing anything, other than expose your shitty attitude and quickness to drop slurs.

Also thinking the store owner could have stepped up and done something essentially would have been a death sentence. I don't blame him for not wanting to be a martyr who definitely would've gotten fucked up if the gang decided to retaliate.

SurrenderDorothy · Jun 23, 2018

Bloody scary, no kid should go through that.
I hope they find the bastards, heard one of them was turned in by his mother.
Cowards had to gang up on a child, and for what?

rambis · Jun 23, 2018

Jebusman said:
People in the Bronx aren't reading your thread, we are.

So if the point of your thread was just so we can all react with "wow that's terrible", it's not really accomplishing anything, other than expose your shitty attitude and quickness to drop slurs.

McFly said:
I know that place. This is fucked up.

Obviously some people on this forum are from NY. Why even post if you are just going to make limp ass excuses? Its crazy that a place like the coli can discuss this topic with more consideration than a place that prides itself on its morals. Grow some balls. Throwing your hands up and turning your head away is not going to do shit to make this country better.

Even if you do nothing more than tell a group a friends you can help inspire change and a response to this type of violence.

Deleted member 2340 · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
I find this to be a particularly idiotic and pathetic question. If we can spend multiple pages discussing the death of some abusive rap star, why not keep that same energy with an innocent(?) 15 yr old kid?

I dunno. Fuck it lock the thread since it bothers yall so much.

I was born and raised in the Bronx, this area used to be my stomping ground. If you want honesty, we can filled up the front page of off topic with topics just like this one and even worse (concerning children) all taking place in the Bronx. I could tell you stories of middle school students going into McDonald's with a long kitchen knife they hid in a garbage can outside to stab someone they got into a arguement with.

The shop keeper couldn't do anything period. If he did they would have went after him next. The kid did the only thing he could've done which was fight back to escape.

This is one of those stories where it's fucked up and I see why the other user sees no point talking about it. What do you want us to say? I'm curious. I and many others feel for this kid and his family.

rambis · Jun 23, 2018

Gridlock said:
I was born and raised in the Bronx, this area used to be my stomping ground. If you want honesty, we can filled up the front page of off topic with topics just like this one and even worse (concerning children) all taking place in the Bronx. I could tell you stories of middle school students going into McDonald's with a long kitchen knife they hid in a garbage can outside to stab someone they got into a arguement with.

The shop keeper couldn't do anything period. If he did they would have went after him next. The kid did the only thing he could've done which was fight back to escape.

This is one of those stories where it's fucked up and I see why the other user sees no point talking about it. What do you want us to say? I'm curious. I and many others feel for this kid and his family.

https://www.necn.com/multimedia/Anti-Violence-Rally-Held-in-Haverhill_NECN-484652331.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/87976050-132.html

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/staten-islan...ence-rally-follows-teen-s-shooting-death.html

You're right. There's absolutely nothing that can be done.

These responses are pathetic honestly. As someone who's been to Iraq and seen people in far more hopeless situations have 10x the backbone, I do wonder if shit will ever get better in this country.

I Am Captain America · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
https://www.necn.com/multimedia/Anti-Violence-Rally-Held-in-Haverhill_NECN-484652331.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/87976050-132.html

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/staten-islan...ence-rally-follows-teen-s-shooting-death.html

You're right. There's absolutely nothing that can be done.

This dude acting like he's ready to lead a rally knock it off with that shit or leave the thread

stupei · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
Very graphic video in article. Didnt see a thread and don't think this has gotten near the coverage it deserves.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/22/the-moment-a-teen-is-pulled-out-of-a-store-and-fatally-stabbed/

Absolutely heartbreaking. Not to blame him/her but could the owner not have done more? I feel like this is what a shop keep would be packing heat for. If I stayed in the Bronx I would be marching in the streets.

You seem unfamiliar with New York City gun laws, among other things, and your overall tone in the thread is weirdly confrontational and accusatory. At the very least, it's not at all conducive to the change you say you're invested in. Not really sure I understand your intentions.

rambis · Jun 23, 2018

Kest920 said:
This dude acting like he's ready to lead a rally knock it off with that shit or leave the thread

I've been to multiple anti violence events. These responses are pathetic. Period.

stupei said:
You seem unfamiliar with New York City gun laws, among other things, and your overall tone in the thread is weirdly confrontational and accusatory. At the very least, it's not at all conducive to the change you say you're invested in. Not really sure I understand your intentions.

What about them? You don't even need a permit to have a rifle.

Im only confrontational to the people whining "but there's nothing I can do why do I have to know about this". And frankly they need to be confronted. This is why crime takes over cities.

Kest920 said:
Lmao that ban be coming boy

Im glad this is funny to you.

cyberninja · Jun 23, 2018

Shit like this makes my blood boil, poor kid. Those cowards deserve a death penalty. Rip.

gcwy · Jun 23, 2018

Jesus Christ. It's like we're back in the 90s.

I Am Captain America · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
I've been to multiple anti violence events. These responses are pathetic. Period. Grow a pair.

Lmao that ban be coming boy

Tequila Mockingbird · Jun 23, 2018

Heromanz said:
Aren't fucked up stories against the rules? Like what is there to discuss about this?

Yes, but then, so it thread whining. And yet, here we are my little chickadee.

Jebusman · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
https://www.necn.com/multimedia/Anti-Violence-Rally-Held-in-Haverhill_NECN-484652331.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/87976050-132.html

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/staten-islan...ence-rally-follows-teen-s-shooting-death.html

You're right. There's absolutely nothing that can be done.

These responses are pathetic honestly. As someone who's been to Iraq and seen people in far more hopeless situations have 10x the backbone, I do wonder if shit will ever get better in this country.

What's pathetic is your inability to understand that unless you want to make a thread for each and every single crime that happens in the Bronx, nothing about this particular instance stands out any more than the rest. And that's a harsh truth.

They are graphic, they are horrific, they need to stop. No one is going to fight you or argue with you on those points. But you, posting this thread for all of us to witness, are not actually accomplishing anything. And your extremely aggressive attitude to even people FROM THE PLACE YOU ARE RALLYING ABOUT isn't helping either. Do you think people in NY don't already see and read about this on a daily basis? The people who have to live with this reality? The people who are prime in place to be able to push for change? Do you honestly think they're all just complacent about how it's all going down?

You know what would've happened if the store owner stepped up to try and save the kid? We'd likely have a dead kid, a dead store owner, maybe a dead gang member or two. And if the store owner didn't die then, he would when the gangs retaliate, and you know full well they would. You wanted him to be a martyr for the cause, when that's a tall price to ask of anybody who hasn't signed up for that kind of life, and really easy to say when it's not you in the hotseat.

And drop it with the fucking "grow a pair". The toxic masculinity isn't helping you either.

SlickShoesRUCRazy · Jun 23, 2018

Fuck. I hope they find those cunts and remove them from humanity permanently,

stupei · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
I've been to multiple anti violence events. These responses are pathetic. Period.

What about them? You don't even need a permit to have a rifle.

Im only confrontational to the people whining "but there's nothing I can do why do I have to know about this". And frankly they need to be confronted. This is why crime takes over cities.

Im glad this is funny to you.

The gun laws in NYC are different from the laws of New York state. You can't even legally own a realistic looking fake gun in NYC without a license of some kind. (A lot of people own toy guns anyway, but it's not legal.) The NYPD have done raids on costume shops.

Unless the laws have drastically changed, you're mistaken.

rambis · Jun 23, 2018

Jebusman said:
What's pathetic is your inability to understand that unless you want to make a thread for each and every single crime that happens in the Bronx, nothing about this particular instance stands out any more than the rest. And that's a harsh truth.

They are graphic, they are horrific, they need to stop. No one is going to fight you or argue with you on those points. But you, posting this thread for all of us to witness, are not actually accomplishing anything. And your extremely aggressive attitude to even people FROM THE PLACE YOU ARE RALLYING ABOUT isn't helping either. Do you think people in NY don't already see and read about this on a daily basis? The people who have to live with this reality? The people who are prime in place to be able to push for change? Do you honestly think they're all just complacent about how it's all going down?

You know what would've happened if the store owner stepped up to try and save the kid? We'd likely have a dead kid, a dead store owner, maybe a dead gang member or two. And if the store owner didn't die then, he would when the gangs retaliate, and you know full well they would. You wanted him to be a martyr for the cause, when that's a tall price to ask of anybody who hasn't signed up for that kind of life, and really easy to say when it's not you in the hotseat.

And drop it with the fucking "grow a pair". The toxic masculinity isn't helping you either.

Im glad you show this much compassion in saying there's nothing you can do. If only this energy could be directed in some other direction, but I digress. I don't need to read anything else you have to say.

Glad to also learn that NYC is the only place with violence.

The Real Jeremy said:
This thread would probably be infinitely more productive if anyone but OP had started it and didn't lash out at every response.

Very sad story. Hate to know this is so commonplace.

I'll remove myself but this is bullshit. I only reply to the thread whiners for thread whining and crying about how there's nothing they can do.

Jerm · Jun 23, 2018

This thread would be infinitely more productive if anyone but OP had started it and didn't lash out at every response with pure hostility. Can we at least get a guideline on how we're supposed to respond that isn't followed up by rage?

Very sad story. Hate to know this is so commonplace.

Heromanz · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
What about them? You don't even need a permit to have a rifle.

Im only confrontational to the people whining "but there's nothing I can do why do I have to know about this". And frankly they need to be confronted. This is why crime takes over cities.

What no? cities get "over run by crime "because of social, political ,and economic change and problem not because people are afraid to stand up to.

Jebusman · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
Im glad you show this much compassion in saying there's nothing you can do..

Point out anywhere in any of my posts that I said there is "nothing I can do". It's fucking disingenuous to keep accusing people of saying that when all we've been saying is what YOU'RE doing right now isn't accomplishing much of anything.

You have an attitude problem, go take a walk and maybe gain some perspective. I genuinely believe you aren't engaging with anyone in good faith, and are now going to bail when people pointed that out.

Deleted member 2340 · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
https://www.necn.com/multimedia/Anti-Violence-Rally-Held-in-Haverhill_NECN-484652331.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/87976050-132.html

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/staten-islan...ence-rally-follows-teen-s-shooting-death.html

You're right. There's absolutely nothing that can be done.

These responses are pathetic honestly. As someone who's been to Iraq and seen people in far more hopeless situations have 10x the backbone, I do wonder if shit will ever get better in this country.

Dude, I've been to Afghanistan myself. I've been through things there that almost mentally broke me. Hell, I joined the Army because I saw it as my ticket out of the Bronx.

There's what YOU see/believe and then there's reality. If you want to make a change stop posting on a online forum and take your ass to the Bronx and start protesting.

Why the fuck are you so hostile?

kellar · Jun 23, 2018

The US needs a real war on drugs and the gang violence that comes with them.

rambis said:
https://www.necn.com/multimedia/Anti-Violence-Rally-Held-in-Haverhill_NECN-484652331.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/87976050-132.html

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/staten-islan...ence-rally-follows-teen-s-shooting-death.html

You're right. There's absolutely nothing that can be done.

These responses are pathetic honestly. As someone who's been to Iraq and seen people in far more hopeless situations have 10x the backbone, I do wonder if shit will ever get better in this country.

Rallies and marches never do a thing when it comes to violence in poorer areas.

Family · Jun 23, 2018

Gang violence is a huge issue that for some reason has really become a small issue in the media.

You are infinitely more likely to have your life ruined by gang violence than terrorism.

Hope they get these thugs.

And I get why OP is getting a bit annoyed at some responses.

rambis · Jun 23, 2018

Gridlock said:
Dude, I've been to Afghanistan myself. I've been through things there that almost mentally broke me. Hell, I joined the Army because I saw it as my ticket out of the Bronx.

There's what YOU see/believe and then there's reality. If you want to make a change stop posting on a online forum and take your ass to the Bronx and start protesting.

Why the fuck are you so hostile?

I will, I don't know why this is supposed to be some threat.

Im hostile because people fight harder to sweep shit under the rug than make change and its infuriating.

Hoo-doo · Jun 23, 2018

Tragic story.

But i'm not sure what is there to discuss. It's a brutal gang-related targeted hit that caught an innocent bystander. There's ±17.000 homicides in the US every year. Let that sink in.

Netherscourge · Jun 23, 2018

What happened to the murderers?

Were they arrested?

(Not clicking the article)

Kaako · Jun 23, 2018

That's fucked up man. Media don't give a fuck about gang violence. It is infested everywhere in our damn neighborhoods with murders/hits taking place on an hourly basis. The situation is fucked and I don't know how I can help other creating awareness and change from within the community.
At the end of the day, no one is willing to save us but ourselves. :(

Mahonay · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
I've been to multiple anti violence events. These responses are pathetic. Period.

What about them? You don't even need a permit to have a rifle.

Im only confrontational to the people whining "but there's nothing I can do why do I have to know about this". And frankly they need to be confronted. This is why crime takes over cities.

Crime taking over cities...

NYC has had a sharply falling crime rate for years. Stop using this horrific attack on a kid to peddle the idea that cities are crime hellholes. It's gross.

I wish anyone but you made this thread.

Deleted member 2340 · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
I will, I don't know why this is supposed to be some threat.

Im hostile because people fight harder to sweep shit under the rug than make change and its infuriating.

Why would it be a threat? If you really do be careful. If you don't live out of NY stay in a hotel in Manhattans and commute to the Bronx if you're really making noise. Just be careful. The Bronx and every other hood in the states isn't Iraq or Afghanistan.

No one is sweeping it under the rug in this thread. There really isn't much to say sadly. All I originally was getting at was that I understood why some of the users said that there's not much conversation to be had except to be horrified at what happened.

This kid had a future. It's just fucked up.

Jebusman · Jun 23, 2018

rambis said:
I will, I don't know why this is supposed to be some threat.

Im hostile because people fight harder to sweep shit under the rug than make change and its infuriating.

But we're not sweeping it under the rug. We're pointing out to you that making a thread for a single crime out of the tens of thousands like it that happen both across the country and around the world isn't actually doing anything for the cause. It's a place where people will write "wow that's horrible" for 3 pages and then the thread gets locked because nothing is actually getting discussed.

Hell the only discussion really going on in here is us arguing with you about your horrible attitude and refusal to understand the above. You keep seeming to imply that us saying "man this thread is just misery" means "GUESS WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING LUL SUCKS TO BE THE BRONX" when you have no fucking idea what we do when NOT posting on a fucking internet forum.

If you wanted to make a thread that looks at the rate of crime in and around the Bronx, the factors that led to this, the things that can be done, etc. This all would've gone over a lot better. That's actually raising awareness of the issue, the causes, the possible solutions

Instead you posted a pretty fucked up video, suggested a store owner should've essentially thrown his own life away, and then accused people of wanting to ignore the issues. On top of the outdated "be a man/grow some balls" posts that seem to be a habit of yours given your post history.

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