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Garlador

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
14,131
From every minority out there...
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McMahon

Banned
May 24, 2018
1,603
Los Angeles
Here's picard saying Fuck decorum, because men of good conscious sometimes must do what they feel is right:



Please pay very careful attention to the specific situation he is describing while he does this.

That dude most definitely has no idea who Picard was. That's sad to think he missed the entire point of the best character in that series.
 

Lord Brady

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
8,392
If news channels don't play a "Womp Womp" sound every time a member of the GOP loses this November, I'm going to be very disappointed.
 

Ithil

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,372

Link

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
3,623
The problem is, and as I've mentioned before, is that this perspective is built on ignorance.

So let me make this clear this time so you won't miss it.

THIS ALREADY HAPPENS AND HAS BEEN HAPPENING TO MINORITIES AND LGBTQ IN THE US FOR DAYS, DECADES, CENTURIES.

This isn't setting a precedent, because the precedent has already been set for ages.

Spreading like wildfire? We're already in the wildfire. This is trying to put it out.

That's really the core of the issue here, and why I keep finding your comments problematic.
And people like SHS are the ones pushing to keep allowing it legally. So yeah, I'm not about to shed any tears for her ass.
 

Dark Knight

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,266
Republicans think they constantly have license to shit on everyone and everything that aren't them, and they get away with it because everyone else tries to be the better man(as some in here are suggesting we do).

Fuck that, they've pushed us all to the point where we can't just treat these monsters as fellow citizens. Anyone who is suggesting civility and tolerance at this crucial point doesn't understand what's at stake.
 

exodus

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,943
Nobody has been able to explain how refusing to serve a person because they are a lying, hateful bigot is the same as being a lying, hateful bigot. Putting these on the same level is a good way to show your ass. You ain't clever. Some of you should just say what you really mean. At least it wouldn't be as cowardly.

What are you implying?

I loathe Sarah Sanders. Yet I disagree with any discrimination at all in the service industry.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,525
Her children haven't done anything to warrant being made to cry. You're pretty scummy yourself if you think so.

Perhaps wishing they cried was the wrong choice of words. I just think it's imperative that these kids grow up realizing that their mother's terrible, constantly evil actions are the reason she's being lambasted, and not grow up thinking Mommy is a victim because she just wanted to eat a burger while thousands of immigrant children are starving to death in cages and she thinks that's A-OK.
 

TyrantII

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,365
Boston
She violated federal law (yet again) by using her federal Twitter account to oush a grudge.

Maybe that's (just another reason) why people have a problems with these evil fucks.
 

Link

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
3,623
Republicans think they constantly have license to shit on everyone and everything that aren't them, and they get away with it because everyone else tries to be the better man(as some in here are suggesting we do).

Fuck that, they've pushed us all to the point where we can't just treat these monsters as fellow citizens. Anyone who is suggesting civility and tolerance at this crucial point doesn't understand what's at stake.
Agreed. These people know that the people who disagree with them are far more decent than they are, and they constantly use that to their advantage. They know the other side will follow the rules, so they don't bother. And the second anyone calls them out, suddenly it's "So much for the tolerant left!"

So yeah, fuck them. They wanna fight dirty? Time to throw it back in their faces.
 

thefit

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,243
Good to see McCarthyism is alive and well.

This guy. While administration actively uses every resource at its disposal to actually go after political enemies within the government and asks for layalty oaths and actually wants to ban entire groups of people for their beleifs and color of their skin and now has concentration camps for children. Suddenly average Americans standing up to the enablers of this racism government at their places of work and us supporting it is McCarthyism? Fuck you. You don't know anything and are coward. Why don't you say what you really want about us? Your a racist coward and a piece of shit like Sanders and her disgusting g racist dad and the administration she works for.
 

Melkezadek

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,168
Picard would. You can't compromise on your values just because others are.

Just chiming in to say Picard would have totally fucked us over had he been in command of DS9 during the Dominion War. Hell, his values cost the Federation thousands of lives because of his personal internal conflict in deciding whether or not to destroy the whole Borg collective.

Anyway, good on this restaurant. We all can resist in our own way. We have to make sure they know that they know we're sick of their divisive and repugnant values. No more playing nice. They don't give a damn any one of us.
 

TyrantII

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,365
Boston
My personal opinion is that it is immoral to refuse service for any other reason than the person's conduct within the specific establishment.

Thats a shit reason.

Not to Godwin the thread, you just made an argument to seat and serve Hitler cause, reasons.

You also need to sit down and actually watch / understand TNG, cause you obviously don't get Gene Roddenberrys clear as fucking day message.
 

Alexandros

Member
Oct 26, 2017
17,800
Here's picard saying Fuck decorum, because men of good conscious sometimes must do what they feel is right:



Please pay very careful attention to the specific situation he is describing while he does this.


A very good clip. It would very interesting to talk about Star Trek's ethics and principles in the context of today's political situation.
 

Darth Vapor

Self Requested Ban
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
700
Death Star
this comparison is so bonkers all I can do is laugh, holy shit

"McCarthyism is a political ploy that wields accusations and shame without significant evidence."

I was not comparing the poster's view to McCarthyism, I was identifying it as McCarthyism. Care to elaborate on how these accusations are grounded in sufficient evidence?
 
Oct 31, 2017
626
All y'all "take the high road" types do realize why "so much for the tolerant left" became a meme, right?

Republicans have been accustomed to the Democratic Party's belief in the inherent goodness of humanity for decades now. They know it makes us weak, more likely to roll over and give up or settle for a compromise compared to actually fighting for what we know is right until we win. Republicans have known this about us for a long time and they have taken advantage of it over and over and over again. It's the reason the party has been able to survive as long as it has, because they will push the limits of depravity but we always stop short of ever doing anything to stop it or truly do anything about it.

I love President Obama. He's a great man and I don't regret voting for him for a second, but his naivety and his foolhardy belief that finding common ground with the GOP was possible was his tragic blind spot.

But when Democrats finally started getting angry enough to really fight back instead of just trying to middle-ground things, Republicans started getting SCARED. That's why "so much for the tolerant left" happened. They know that a galvanized, truly enraged Democratic Party, if focused correctly and carried by the right leadership, could destroy everything they stand for, because none of the GOP's beliefs actually stand up to any real scrutiny.

Well said!
 

captive

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,991
Houston
I'm not Staning for shit bags. You're not following the logic.

I'm Staning for standards and how we treat one another.

I don't like the Trump administration. But I refuse to be afraid to call out the people I align with when I think they're being unfair, unreasonable, or hypocritical.

And this is a forum that is a tough place to do that, but I don't like the bully mentality from any side.
What is this bullshit, playing the victim. You can espouse opposing views on this forum, but you better have a damn good argument and have facts to back it up. Because I can tell you most people here have both of their beliefs.
 

Deleted member 12790

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
24,537
"McCarthyism is a political ploy that wields accusations and shame without significant evidence."

I was not comparing the poster's view to McCarthyism, I was identifying it as McCarthyism. Care to elaborate on how these accusations are grounded in sufficient evidence?

McCarthyism refers to an extremely specific time and context of political shaming, when minority opinions were suppressed by the paranoid ruling class of America. You have described the mechanism by which McCarthyism operated without understanding at all the framing of the use of the term. Get the fuck out of here with pretending a small, private store owner throwing out the mouthpiece of a political party that literally controls every level of government currently is in any way McCarthyism. To use the term that way is to wield it with the intellectual grace of a gorilla throwing luggage around a cage. Especially given the not so subtle "sic'em" implied in Sander's tweet complaining about the situation.
 

NoRéN

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,623
"McCarthyism is a political ploy that wields accusations and shame without significant evidence."

I was not comparing the poster's view to McCarthyism, I was identifying it as McCarthyism. Care to elaborate on how these accusations are grounded in sufficient evidence?
Oh, like all the "immigrants commit all the crimes but we have no stats to show" that trump and his cult continue to peddle?

Then, yes. McCarthyism is alive.
 

Deleted member 22750

Oct 28, 2017
13,267
I'm just going to address this one part of your post.


What about this situation do you feel will make this spread like wildfire?

One senior offical in this shitty administration gets their comeuppance??

She's not getting discriminated because of her race, sex, gender, age, physical disability.... hell she's not even being discriminating because of her political leaning.

She's a career politician that is beholden to the public, and her very public actions will have very public consequences, this adminstration is going down a very real & very dangerous path with the caged human beings & abduction of children happening at the border. As opposed to the imagined slippery slope of one Trump official being denied service at one restuarant causing a wave of future discriminations of protected classes.


I'm mainly talking about denial of service becoming more and more popular.

She isn't the reason it is catching fire.lol. The conservative base has zero issues with using those types of discrimination. Making them become normal.
That is what I was saying. That was mainly my point from the beginning of my couple posts.

She is awful..........deny her service if your heart desires. I can see how when I typed my original comment people got mad because I understand how insane this administration is. You can't even begin to tally the devastation they have done. Its more of a broader stance on denial of service in general. She doesn't deserve respect but there are lost of people in this country who do and denial of service is used against them and Im not big on it.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
Member
Dec 24, 2017
17,649
I was not comparing the poster's view to McCarthyism, I was identifying it as McCarthyism. Care to elaborate on how these accusations are grounded in sufficient evidence?
Significant evidence Sarah Sanders is a piece of shit or significant evidence there's a rash of "Just asking questions" type posters?
 

Alexandros

Member
Oct 26, 2017
17,800
Just chiming in to say Picard would have totally fucked us over had he been in command of DS9 during the Dominion War. Hell, his values cost the Federation thousands of lives because of his personal internal conflict in deciding whether or not to destroy the whole Borg collective.

That's probably true, which is why I acknowledged that in the real world you are often faced with non-ideal choices. The argument that a poster made, one that didn't call me names no less, that the times are such that Trump's regime has to be fought by any means possible, was a strong one.

You also need to sit down and actually watch / understand TNG, cause you obviously don't get Gene Roddenberrys clear as fucking day message

Gene Roddenberry's message has helped shape my character and values as a person. I get it just fine.
 

samoyed

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
15,191
McCarthyism refers to an extremely specific time and context of political shaming, when minority opinions were suppressed by the paranoid ruling class of America. You have described the mechanism by which McCarthyism operated without understanding at all the framing of the use of the term. Get the fuck out of here with pretending a small, private store owner throwing out the mouthpiece of a political party that literally controls every level of government currently is in any way McCarthyism. To use the term that way is to wield it with the intellectual grace of a gorilla throwing luggage around a cage. Especially given the not so subtle "sic'em" implied in Sander's tweet complaining about the situation.
He's right in that McCarthyism is alive and well and perpetrated every day by the right.
 

NoName999

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
5,906
You know what's funny?

The people claiming that we shouldn't discriminate base on political opinion indirectly implies that the Republicans' opinion is that brown babies should be in cages.

Like you're basically admitting that the GOP is just plain shitty and that we should just suck it up because they're always gonna be that way. lol