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Just make our own cars and planes with only British people and okay, only some good foreigners. People are so deluded and ignorant. It's infuriating.
The thing with BAE do they play for a British Industry or the rest of Europe too. Which would make them more money?
The thing with BAE do they play for a British Industry or the rest of Europe too. Which would make them more money?
Damn, I used to watch that show, it was good with Mathew Wright.
It's only going to be Triumphs and Morgans from here on out. I hope you guys either have a motorcycle license or 50 grand burning a hole in your back pockets
I'm in Scotland at the moment and I've never felt so comfortable ranting about my hatred of Brexit.
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Because the lunatics have taken over the asylum at this point.
Yeah but leaving the EU will make us £350million a week better off!
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I can see his frustration tbh, the problem with buisness is the threats, more threats and threats some more, at some point you have to draw a line in the sand and say if you are really going to go then go...
Don't get me wrong you have to listen to their views and some are genuine, but then you get those who are simply worried about losing cheap labour, they can be fully ignored
Air bus seemed sincere, BMW not so (their second concern was free movement of people) as the car industry sells too every market in the word, hell even in the US different states have different rules
This entire thread, basically:
I don't even know what kind of 5D chess was being played by May when he relied on people like Davis and Johnson. You keep your enemies close, but only to keep them in check.
They can't draw a clear line in the sand because:
a) They still don't know what kind of Brexit they are facing, implications are enormously different per case and industry
b) They cannot say "do this or we are out" because that would look like straight up coercion
c) Clear lines in the sand could fire back spectacularly if they are crossed and not met with the declared response*
All they can do is to remind HMG that this is an stupid, dangerous idea for which they are doing no preparation of any kind.
*case in point, auto industry. Companies such as Nissan and Honda would like to pack their bags and leave in the event of a bad Brexit, but they have no capacity elsewhere and building new factory space will take significant time and money, so they are stuck in the UK for a while. Repercusions won't be immediate and withering could easily take one, maybe two commercial cycles to set, so they cannot draw clear lines in the sand.
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Ministers being rolled out this morning warning that a no deal Brexit is still on the table
And I must apologise I do find Boris intriguing, I mean 'Full British Brexit' is a superb play on words
And I must apologise I do find Boris intriguing, I mean 'Full British Brexit' is a superb play on words
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It's not frustration, it's just Boris with his usual arrogant, cavalier buffoonery as usual. Let's not forget that he holds one of the highest offices in our country; joking or not, it's wildly inappropriate to talk that way about anything, let alone something as serious as the businesses/the economy - things that fundamentally shape people's lives.
He's an appalling, vacuous twat. That his best response to the nightmarish reality of leaving the EU becomes clear before our eyes is "fuck business" shows that he, as the figurehead of Brexit, has well and truly lost the argument (if such a thing were even in doubt).
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"Give me what I want or I'll cut off my arm."
Boris's ""full British Brexit" just reinforces my points above. He lacks any substance. He can write a tabloid headline and churn out a catchphrase. I'm sure that'll do wonders for foreign diplomacy...
I might be mis-reading you, but I get the impression you are not a fan of old mop head
I do agree with you though, saying that as a back bench MP is silly but you know 'Boris' saying it in his position of power makes it sound like the Gov position, and very reckless
Another thing to consider is that nobody knows how a bad Brexit would unravel. The situation could turn nearly catastrophic for entire sectors, so the government may need to step in to implement unforseen measures and policies out of panic. And given previous talks about steering the UK towards a completely different economic model, making long term projections is even riskier than it already was.
Just take a look at the Eurofighter project. BAE is an important part of it and the RAAF is one of its biggest customers. What the heck is it going to happen under a bad Brexit scenario? The aircraft are manufactured all over the place, with parts being sourced from each partner nation, and UK getting third country would put some serious obstacles due to regulations related to military technology transfers and exports, which may become a thing.
Typhoon manufacturing and engineering represent about 40k jobs in the UK, by the way.
Just take a look at the Eurofighter project. BAE is an important part of it and the RAAF is one of its biggest customers. What the heck is it going to happen under a bad Brexit scenario? The aircraft are manufactured all over the place, with parts being sourced from each partner nation, and UK getting third country would put some serious obstacles due to regulations related to military technology transfers and exports, which may become a thing.
Typhoon manufacturing and engineering represent about 40k jobs in the UK, by the way.
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They aren't threats though.
Businesses have to point out "If you do X, then Y will happen". These aren't threats, they're just statements of fact.
The idea that any kind of warning or pointing out something is a 'threat' was the whole idea behind "Project Fear" in the first place, which as it turns out was actually "Project Reality"
It's hard to decipher what they actually want. How can you threaten no deal when you aren't prepared for it and hold practically zero cards. Even the talk of hard Brexit, do they they still expect the cake? I don't get it. It's fairly obvious the UK government will fold because industry would implode but yet here we are. It's baffling. Feels like they are pushing it to the wire and then we tried but the big bad EU bullied us but we will be back for the fight.....in 10....20....years......what were we talking about again...nothing to see here. UK needs to blame someone to get out of this mess, I don't know how they do it.
Is there a list somewhere of businesses supporting Brexit or with key personalities within them supporting Brexit (e.g. Wetherspoon, JML), so I can make sure not to support them in any way?
Who is "we".
Airbus and BMW are telling it straight, these kinds of milquetoast statements have been made before.
So much for the party of businesses.
I suppose they only mean the ones they have shared in or are part of the board.
When not even the power of business lobbying gets through this Brexit nonsense.
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The image. Man of the people. Like Trump with "drain the swamp". A wolf in sheep's clothing.
The political elite of the UK still hasn't realized that they're a third country to europeans now. There is a massive difference between negotiating within the EU (As the UK previously did) and negotiating as a third country.
If you're a third country the EU is out to get the most benefit for itself and will rob you blind on trade deals if it can.
Brexiteers calling out the EU for being a bully when it's only setting the rules (as per the UK's request to exit the Union, no less) will probably flip shit if they finally get a bad, no holds barred Brexit and the EU needs to act in self preservation.
The EU could have been so soft as to capitulate to the demands of Brexiteers, they'd still nurse their victimhood complex to maximum effect.
The whole reason we're in this situation is that they portray themselves as victims when they're in an (arguably) stratified position inside the EU.
Bloomberg - Brexit's Big Short
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...w-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...w-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash
Is this one of those situations where it's illegal to manipulate the markets for personal gain from a position of influence, but it's totally cool "receive gifts" from "third parties" who did benefit from your manipulation? I can't imagine he'd lie for free, when it went against his side.
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Banks need to just shut up, I know this board feels we need to keep them, but I suspect 90% of the country would not only pack their bags, but actively think Brexit is a success if the banking sector fuck off....
Hell, even I am of the opinion it would be nice if London actually felt like what it was like to live in the rest of the country, and watching the bank area of London fall into ruin (whilst I understand the tax they pay) would not half be bittersweet
Lose the banks and there's no NHS windfall that can stop the privatisation train. The rest of the country would see a sharp drop in life expectancy
"Even I"
As if wishing the worst for others was out of character for you
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