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Will Catwoman and Batman tie the knot?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 48.7%
  • No

    Votes: 8 20.5%
  • Catwoman absconds with Harley and Ivy

    Votes: 12 30.8%

  • Total voters
    39
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TaleSpun

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I'm not sure that "defense force" is the right term. You don't like it, others do. I don't think it's a perfect book (the Booster arc, I'd agree was a misstep), but I'd put the highs of it above the highs of Snyder's run (which itself was quite strong). For me it's 80-85% great with 15-20% meh/bad. I'll keep buying it and enjoying it, but I'm not going to try to convince others that they should like it if they don't.

It's fine, it just seems like every time someone says an arc of it was bad or mixed, they usually quantify why they feel that way to at least some extent. And yet, almost every time there'll be a reply to the post that's just like

"Well I liked it"

Cool. Great. Killer discussion.

Again, it doesn't really bother me; I really do mostly find it funny, but yeah, it also comes off as at least a little defensive.
 

CoolestSpot

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Honestly surprised even after the movies no comic writer has done much with Iron Man. Then again, I feel like maybe Ulimates at least did something with going all in with him being the biggest asshole ever.

But maybe Marvel has ruined him with the worst asshole past a hero could have, I dunno
 

Sandfox

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Honestly surprised even after the movies no comic writer has done much with Iron Man. Then again, I feel like maybe Ulimates at least did something with going all in with him being the biggest asshole ever.

But maybe Marvel has ruined him with the worst asshole past a hero could have, I dunno
Wasn't the Matt Fraction run well-recieved? There's also Superior Iron Man.
 

CoolestSpot

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Oct 25, 2017
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Daang this is a big book. So glad to have it, though. The original version was going for hundreds of dollars before the reprint was announced.

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Is this on InStockTrade, and if not can you link somewhere else?

Also I always forget PowerGirl's original outfit how..uh...prominent some features they make. Also lame Superboy
 

Vic_Viper

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Superboy with Geoff Johns was great. I really enjoyed him in Teen Titans. Shame about his fate in Infinite Crisis.

Yea I really liked Superboy from his Teen Titans. Probably my favorite character in the entire book.

Really liked how he was Lex's clone too. Jonathan is great and a really good Superboy, but Connor Kent will always be my Superboy. Really hope he comes back in some form.
 

Weiss

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What did he do to Bart? I can't remember anything egregious.

He had Wally piss about how Bart would never be Kid Flash because he was too immature, even though Bart never wanted to be Kid Flash and had an entire 89 issue ongoing dedicated to him growing up and maturing.

So Deathstroke shot him in the knee and Bart decided to grow up.
 

CoolestSpot

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Oct 25, 2017
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Question; is Dark Knight Returns still a good book?

What once could be considered satire now is clearly the insane ramblings of a mad man, Frank Miller's ideal hero that he fully supports. There message of the book in the modern day could be said to be altered by this and the book's entire quality.
 

Whistler

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Question; is Dark Knight Returns still a good book?

What once could be considered satire now is clearly the insane ramblings of a mad man, Frank Miller's ideal hero that he fully supports. There message of the book in the modern day could be said to be altered by this and the book's entire quality.

I say it still is. I don't think current Frank Miller has any of the views he did when he wrote the story, but if you want to read unto it you can.
 

SageShinigami

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Oct 27, 2017
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Hahahaha

Iron Man can be readable, but never good. It's Iron Man.

someone recommend a good iron man run cause every issue I've read of his solo issues have been shit

I would, but judging from this post recommend something good to you and you'd call it bad, then we'd be back at square one.

For people who DON'T like awful things, a ranking of the best Iron Man runs.

1.) David Michelinie: Iron Man v.1 116-157, 216-250
2.) Denny O'Neil: Iron Man v. 1 160-208
3.) Matt Fraction: Invincible Iron Man 1-33, 500-527
4.) Kurt Busiek: Iron Man v.3 1-32, roughly
5.) Kieron Gillen: Iron Man v.5 1-28

Kieron Gillen's kind of hit or miss for some people. You can argue O'Neil over Michelinie, I wouldn't; introducing Rhodey and Bethany means a lot. Matt Fraction's arc is the best pure Iron Man run from the modern era, easily. And Kurt Busiek helped make the character make sense after Marvel's soft reboot. Gillen, Busiek, and Fraction's stuff is collected. Not as sure about Michelinie and O'Neil, which is a bummer 'cause they should be.
 

Vic_Viper

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Sounds like Captain America #1 is going to be really good! Can't wait now.

Sounds like it's basically ignoring Waid's run on the book, and more so a direct sequel to the events of Secret Empire. Wonder if it was meant to come out awhile ago but got delayed.
 

Sibersk Esto

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Question; is Dark Knight Returns still a good book?

What once could be considered satire now is clearly the insane ramblings of a mad man, Frank Miller's ideal hero that he fully supports. There message of the book in the modern day could be said to be altered by this and the book's entire quality.
Dark Knight Returns, from a technical standpoint, is a work of art. It's iconography is stunning, its layout work impeccable. It uses every single comic book trick in the book to tell a story in a way that could ONLY be told with a comic book.

Content wise? It peters out a bit after the Joker dies, despite the iconic fight with Superman at the end. But before that? It's a wonderfully weird, yet skillfully told tale.
 
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Sounds like Captain America #1 is going to be really good! Can't wait now.

Sounds like it's basically ignoring Waid's run on the book, and more so a direct sequel to the events of Secret Empire. Wonder if it was meant to come out awhile ago but got delayed.

It was rumoured for ages and then Marvel went on the Waid and Samnee apology tour arc.
 

CoolestSpot

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I will say I greatly enjoy Dark Knight Returns by the way. I just wanted to see some debate.

I also love Old Man Logan, which is like a really crappy but over the top and fun story that is a treatment I want for every character.

Old Woman Dazzler when?
 

CoolestSpot

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Sounds like Captain America #1 is going to be really good! Can't wait now.

Sounds like it's basically ignoring Waid's run on the book, and more so a direct sequel to the events of Secret Empire. Wonder if it was meant to come out awhile ago but got delayed.

Wasnt Waids run just cap just going around on apologizing tour and finding himself? I can see this tying in nicely to him now facing the fallout of HydCap.
 

CoolestSpot

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I would, but judging from this post recommend something good to you and you'd call it bad, then we'd be back at square one.

For people who DON'T like awful things, a ranking of the best Iron Man runs.

1.) David Michelinie: Iron Man v.1 116-157, 216-250
2.) Denny O'Neil: Iron Man v. 1 160-208
3.) Matt Fraction: Invincible Iron Man 1-33, 500-527
4.) Kurt Busiek: Iron Man v.3 1-32, roughly
5.) Kieron Gillen: Iron Man v.5 1-28

Kieron Gillen's kind of hit or miss for some people. You can argue O'Neil over Michelinie, I wouldn't; introducing Rhodey and Bethany means a lot. Matt Fraction's arc is the best pure Iron Man run from the modern era, easily. And Kurt Busiek helped make the character make sense after Marvel's soft reboot. Gillen, Busiek, and Fraction's stuff is collected. Not as sure about Michelinie and O'Neil, which is a bummer 'cause they should be.

Well...shit .Guess I now have a lot to read.
 

VanWinkle

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Question; is Dark Knight Returns still a good book?

What once could be considered satire now is clearly the insane ramblings of a mad man, Frank Miller's ideal hero that he fully supports. There message of the book in the modern day could be said to be altered by this and the book's entire quality.
I didn't enjoy it much at all. I don't think it's held up nearly as well as Watchmen. All of those TV sequences were just terrible, IMO, and really dragged down the book.

Batman Year One, though? Amazing.
 

CoolestSpot

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I didn't enjoy it much at all. I don't think it's held up nearly as well as Watchmen. All of those TV sequences were just terrible, IMO, and really dragged down the book.

Batman Year One, though? Amazing.

I think the TV sequences hold the book down most in reading it today for sure. At the time it was a terrifying prediction of reality television and what it would become to modern day. But since that it has become such a trope and cliche in of itself it seems like old man miller rambling on between the good bits
 

Whistler

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I love the TV stuff. The book always felt like an epic, with the TV shows being a Greek chorus to what was happening.
 
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Can someone explain why Larocca is still on Star Wars? His art is such garbage it's unbelievable that anyone would publish it. Does he work for peanuts or something?
 

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I would, but judging from this post recommend something good to you and you'd call it bad, then we'd be back at square one.

For people who DON'T like awful things, a ranking of the best Iron Man runs.

1.) David Michelinie: Iron Man v.1 116-157, 216-250
2.) Denny O'Neil: Iron Man v. 1 160-208
3.) Matt Fraction: Invincible Iron Man 1-33, 500-527
4.) Kurt Busiek: Iron Man v.3 1-32, roughly
5.) Kieron Gillen: Iron Man v.5 1-28

Kieron Gillen's kind of hit or miss for some people. You can argue O'Neil over Michelinie, I wouldn't; introducing Rhodey and Bethany means a lot. Matt Fraction's arc is the best pure Iron Man run from the modern era, easily. And Kurt Busiek helped make the character make sense after Marvel's soft reboot. Gillen, Busiek, and Fraction's stuff is collected. Not as sure about Michelinie and O'Neil, which is a bummer 'cause they should be.
I think Gillen's run is pretty underrated. I think due to Land's art it's remembered a lot more as a punchline than as a comic and people overlook the writing to some extent.

I'm not saying it's GOAT territory or anything, but it's certainly worth reading. I know some people were blown away he wrote Wicked+Devine after Iron Man due to how good it is, but he was remarkably solid on iron Man and it's easy to see the translation between the two in quality imo
 

kmfdmpig

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just wish year one would come out faster. It's been like 3 years and we still don't have a date on #3
Do you mean Earth One? Year One is the Frank Miller four issue run that came out in 1987.
This one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Year_One
Earth One has been fairly hit or miss for me. I really liked the Wonder Woman one, and didn't dislike any of the others, but didn't really love them either. They're in this weird middle-ground where they change some, but not enough to really take advantage of the opportunity (except GL, which changed quite a bit).
 

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Do you mean Earth One? Year One is the Frank Miller four issue run that came out in 1987.
This one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Year_One
Earth One has been fairly hit or miss for me. I really liked the Wonder Woman one, and didn't dislike any of the others, but didn't really love them either. They're in this weird middle-ground where they change some, but not enough to really take advantage of the opportunity (except GL, which changed quite a bit).
Yeah I got that after a bit, heh :p

And yeah I've read year one and agree. It still holds up well vs tdk which due to Miller's evolving (or more known?) extreme political views incredibly recontextaulizes the story into very uncomfortable territory. Reading it today is like reading bad propaganda in a Bioshock game >.>

Idk though maybe it was always that blatant and I was just young and stupid. Who knows lol
 

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Speaking of Batman and troublesome politics, anyone remember the name of the comic where batman gets addicted to venom? Incredibly regressive views on addiction in that one lol

I like using it as an example of conservative ideology and why it can be so destructive, but can never point people to it these days as I can't remember the name >.<
 

Wanderer5

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Speaking of Batman and troublesome politics, anyone remember the name of the comic where batman gets addicted to venom? Incredibly regressive views on addiction in that one lol

I like using it as an example of conservative ideology and why it can be so destructive, but can never point people to it these days as I can't remember the name >.<

Batman: Venom?
 
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