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Adventureracing

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Nov 7, 2017
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The numbers are from Pokemon Incs own reports.

A poster from ERA even compiled them into a nice list comparing all the FYs Pokemon Inc had in the last few decades, though i cant remember with thread it was in.

Here some of the numbers by industry analyst Serkan Toto: https://www.serkantoto.com/2017/06/01/pokemon-company-japan-profit/

For the last 6 FYs one can see how big of an effect Go had:

  • 15th fiscal: US$16.6 million(BW2)
  • 16th fiscal: US$10.6 million(XY)
  • 17th fiscal: US$18.4 million(ORAS)
  • 18th fiscal: US$5.6 million(No Mainline)
  • 19th fiscal: US$143.3 million(GO+SM)
  • 20th fiscal: US$80.8 million(GO+USUM)
That means the release of GO made their profit jump by about 26x, or about 120m assuming the other 20m are SM sales which would be generous since XY only brought in 10.6 selling about the same as SM.

Some of those numbers seem tiny for the company making one of the biggest games in the world. I know they don't get all of the profit but still.
 

Lindsay

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Let see how well $60 price tags go over for 'em. Thats not kid/parent friendly pricing at all. Not to mention the price of the console. Plus a big chunk of the GO audience are used to $0. Not $360+ O_o
 

Illusion

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Oct 27, 2017
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"Its the right time"

You were backed into a corner kicking and screaming after being told that the hybrid was the future of the 3DS and Wii U moving forward.
 

ILikeFeet

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I hope they keep the crazy amounts of handholding confined to Let's Go then.
Dont have too much hope with game freak

Let see how well $60 price tags go over for 'em. Thats not kid/parent friendly pricing at all. Not to mention the price of the console. Plus a big chunk of the GO audience are used to $0. Not $360+ O_o
$60 will be just fine for them. Many other kid friendly games (and games that kids play) retail for that price
 

Marufuku

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Feb 27, 2018
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Oh, I know that the copyright is divided between gamefreak and Creatures. What confuses me is TPC acting as if they're a third party when they work together with Nintendo in all Pokémon games on console. Like them saying that they'll put or not games there.

He didn't really said that they will "put or not" games on Switch, did he?

He said that he didn't belive the Switch would be a sucess, and like I said, not everyone in a company think alike.

Some Nintendo employees didn't like the direction the company was going with the Wii, but could they do anything about it? No.


Nintendo's Iwata Asks said:
Iwata: In general, no engineer hates higher performance. As an engineer, didn't you experience any inner conflict when it was decided that we would not necessarily take Wii in the direction of sheer horsepower alone?
Shiota: Yes, there was some conflict. To be honest, I even felt quite anxious about it. After all, it takes a lot of courage to divert from the Roadmaps. I was especially concerned when it was still not very clear to me what could be done with such a machine. The hurdle of reducing power consumption could be overcome. We were certain that we could achieve this goal in the early stages of development. But the conflict and concern did not go away until it was clear how this would change the gaming experience. Once the concept of Wii as "a console where something new happens every day" became clear, we were certain that we had made the right choice. This concept is made possible by the fact that Wii can stay on for 24 hours a day.



http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/wii_console/0/0
 

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He didn't really said that they will "put or not" games on Switch, did he?

He said that he didn't belive the Switch would be a sucess, and like I said, not everyone in a company think alike.

Some Nintendo employees didn't like the direction the company was going with the Wii, but could they do anything about it? No.






http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/wii_console/0/0

I'm not strictly talking about Switch, his statement or things like that. I'm talking about TPC acting as if they're not producing Pokémon titles with Nintendo in every console release since their establishment. I'm in doubt as why it happens because of their relationship, because Nintendo owns Pokémon in some way and Nintendo created the company along the other two.
 

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The numbers are from Pokemon Incs own reports.

A poster from ERA even compiled them into a nice list comparing all the FYs Pokemon Inc had in the last few decades, though i cant remember with thread it was in.

Here some of the numbers by industry analyst Serkan Toto: https://www.serkantoto.com/2017/06/01/pokemon-company-japan-profit/

For the last 6 FYs one can see how big of an effect Go had:

  • 15th fiscal: US$16.6 million(BW2)
  • 16th fiscal: US$10.6 million(XY)
  • 17th fiscal: US$18.4 million(ORAS)
  • 18th fiscal: US$5.6 million(No Mainline)
  • 19th fiscal: US$143.3 million(GO+SM)
  • 20th fiscal: US$80.8 million(GO+USUM)
That means the release of GO made their profit jump by about 26x, or about 120m assuming the other 20m are SM sales which would be generous since XY only brought in 10.6 selling about the same as SM.

Is this after or before Nintendo, gamefreak and creatures pick their part?
 

Marufuku

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Feb 27, 2018
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I'm not strictly talking about Switch, his statement or things like that. I'm talking about TPC acting as if they're not producing Pokémon titles with Nintendo in every console release since their establishment. I'm in doubt as why it happens because of their relationship, because Nintendo owns Pokémon in some way and Nintendo created the company along the other two.

Ah, ok.

Many executives talk weirdly, so who knows...

Maybe they want people to think they are "independent" and "powerful" because they manage one of the worlds biggest brands...
 
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I kinda dislike TPC. The way they act towards Nintendo, their parent company, is pretty disrespectful.
 

Marufuku

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I kinda dislike TPC. The way they act towards Nintendo, their parent company, is pretty disrespectful.

This only started in the Iwata era, as he was a "peaceful" and "understanding" leader...

When Yamauchi was president, they were keep on a tight leash:


Ishihara (The Pokémon Company president): Ah, yes. At the time, Game Freak was moving onto the production of the next title with Pokémon Gold and Silver, and we didn't even have any people to spare to even do any kind of port. For starters, when we made Pokémon Red and Green, the thought of bringing it to countries outside of Japan didn't even occur to us in the first place. It was when we heard Yamauchi-san's [former Nintendo President Hiroshi Yamauchi] voice of authority say "release this in America!" that started it all.

4Gamer: So Game Freak at the time was in a state where resources couldn't be spared for ports or planning out things such as Pokémon Stadium?​

Ishihara (The Pokémon Company president): Yes. On top of Yamauchi-san's unconditional command of overseas development, he was also there instructing us to "hurry up and make the next title" [laughs]. However, we only saw one possible choice at the time, and decided to focus our attention on Gold and Silver rather than an English version, and thought "overseas development is just a dream within a dream," and gave up on that idea. But that's where one man raised his hand—HAL Laboratory's president Iwata.​


http://www.siliconera.com/2015/12/3...elped-in-the-unlikely-localization-of-pokmon/
 

Andri

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Let see how well $60 price tags go over for 'em. Thats not kid/parent friendly pricing at all. Not to mention the price of the console. Plus a big chunk of the GO audience are used to $0. Not $360+ O_o

Considering how well Kirby sold at 60, Pokemon is gonna be just fine.

And a big chunk of the Go audience spent way more than 0$ on it, the 1 billion dollars it makes a year come from somewhere.
 

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Funny how people try to argue Lets go is not a "core" or "mainline" game, when it for one does not matter, and for two:



They quite clearly say its the first Core title on a console, thus a Core title.

Another weird thing is all the complaints about the difficulty, as if Pokemon games and wild Pokemon battles were hardcore previously.
 

Andri

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Another weird thing is all the complaints about the difficulty, as if Pokemon games and wild Pokemon battles were hardcore previously.
People just like to complain.

It does not really matter about what, they will always find another thing.

And if they cant find anything to complain about currently, they will just complain about things that have not yet happened, even if they probably wont happen anyway.
 

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People just like to complain.

It does not really matter about what, they will always find another thing.

And if they cant find anything to complain about currently, they will just complain about things that have not yet happened, even if they probably wont happen anyway.
Or maybe the games are flawed and deserve some criticism.
 

UltraMagnus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nintendo almost assuredly pushed the Pokemon guys for Pokemon Lets Go from summer 2016 ... that's when Pokemon Go blew up, no way was Nintendo just sitting there watching that and not thinking of ways to cash in on that.

Summer 2016 to fall 2018 is pretty much your standard game dev cycle, so all that lines up very obviously.

By July/August 2016 it was clear as day Pokemon Go was one of the biggest gaming phenemons of the new century really, they had to have had a meeting where "hey, you guys want to make a Pokemon game for our new NX system that links up with Pokemon Go?" was brought up repeatedly.
 

Aprikurt

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SPRidley

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"I don't know if this has the ability to persuade the people who said a year ago that the Nintendo Switch wouldn't sell [laughter], but up until that point a machine that integrated both handheld functionality and a home console was unheard of, so to be honest it was hard to know how it would sell. I didn't see it selling".

Oh.. some people here will need to change the narrative.

I find this stance so stupid for the studio that makes pokemon.
Like i can somewhat understand for a third party, and by somewhat i mean if you are catched with your pants down, then its your fault but with stuff like the wiiu i can understand that line onf though.

But tpc os mainly working for nintendo. This is the successor of their last partable AND console. You suck it up and develop for it with time in advance. And if the thing fails, im still pretty sure your game is still going to sell REALLY well, liKe mario, karts and zelda, and its not like you are going bakrupt if it doesnt, the company has money flying from their ears.
TPC and gamefreak are in the position of just trying their fucking best on the new console of the company you mainly work for.
But of course it doesnt surprise me their way of bad ideas after seeing lets go. And i know is going to sell bonkers and they will learn nothing out of it.
The 2019 game has to look really good for me to give them another chance.
 

Marufuku

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Feb 27, 2018
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Nintendo almost assuredly pushed the Pokemon guys for Pokemon Lets Go from summer 2016 ... that's when Pokemon Go blew up, no way was Nintendo just sitting there watching that and not thinking of ways to cash in on that.

Summer 2016 to fall 2018 is pretty much your standard game dev cycle, so all that lines up very obviously.

By July/August 2016 it was clear as day Pokemon Go was one of the biggest gaming phenemons of the new century really, they had to have had a meeting where "hey, you guys want to make a Pokemon game for our new NX system that links up with Pokemon Go?" was brought up repeatedly.

Yeah.

Nintendo must have exercised their authority on them this time, since Ishihara said that they were already developing it before Switch's launch:

Exactly. However, the reason that we can release a title at this point in time is that we already had begun development at the time that the Nintendo Switch launched


And sounds like they didn't had a choice but follow Nintendo orders, even though they were uncertain of Switch's success:

That's the point where thoughts like 'maybe the hardware won't sell?' changed to a feeling of 'our game will give the platform traction'.
 
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ILikeFeet

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well, what else are they gonna make it for? given their private ownership, they pretty much don't have a say. the only other option I can see is Nintendo allowing them to wait a bit more time, much like other systems, but given we're talking about an HD game, it would release much later in the switch's lifetime. not making a game is a great way of getting booted from the job; and it's not like they could make Gen 8 for any other system, for a multitude of reasons.
 

Marufuku

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According to internal data, Nintendo owns approximately 43% of Pokemon in total, but they have full control over the direction of the IP (aka why Let's Go is on Switch only and not mobile).

Thank you for confirm this.

I always thought some people were a bit naive to think that Nintendo would fund a project like Pokémon without having full control over it, based just on public information and not taking account internal information that we don't know.

Yamauchi even said he would not accept this type of deal in business:


"Despite some prodding, Yamauchi would not offer any advice for the Mariners. Not even philosophical advice from a businessman who had seen his company through some hard times.

"I'm not allowed to say so much things about the operations of the Mariners at this point," he says.

He says, in fact, he doesn't consider it a business deal.

"If it were for business, I would not have accepted the offer, I believe. It's quite another reason that I went ahead with the Mariners.

"Of course, it's nothing like I'm going to throw money in the drain or nothing like that, because I am going to get some of the ownership . . . And I may be able to help people to be happy.

"In that charity, beyond my expectations, something happened."​


http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920716&slug=1502386
 
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