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Wackamole

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Sorry! Yes, it is silly — I was intentionally being silly or playful. It didn't come across but I'm trying to be real, but since it's such a 'serious' question, I was being jokey. There is obviously no provably correct answer is the joke.
Yeah okay, fair enough. Kind of a weird set up. But have fun with it ;P.
As for answers being correct or incorrect, we're in a set of circumstances where life on earth is possible and where some events have made it possible for mammals tho thrive for a period of time (we're still living in that time). Most mammals eat and reproduce and are just part of a biological food-chain. So are we. But we adapted and evolved in a way where self consciousness plays a role. We're probably the only animal that worries about a purpose in life. We think we're so important (especially religious people). Now in your definition our purpose it to live until we die. But that's not a purpose. That's what happens anyway. No matter how long or how short your life is. It's cause and effect. It serves no higher goal. We could just as well never have been born. None of us. And it wouldn't have mattered.

All living creatures could be wiped from the planet and the planet would still be turning with all of its landscapes intact and no universe would give a fuck or be affected by it.
So while i'm not saying i know the definitive answer, i can say that until now, this is what life and education has made me believe. And i've been thinking it since i was thirteen and no event in life made me think otherwise. On the contrary. All things point to all living creatures on earth being as insignificant as all other living creatures in the universe or all that have ever lived. But to be honest, i rather think it's exactly fine this way. So maybe i'm biased because i'm happy with there not being a purpose.

Anyway, i think we basically agree. But it's always hard to see people struggling with the notion of not having a purpose while in my case it's liberating. Just enjoy people. You're allowed to (unless you're living in a fucked up country of course where being happy is made impossible by powerhungry egomaniacs).
 

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WHat`s up with OP telling others if their view on life is "correct " or "incorrect"?

wtf. Oo Did god finally get an ERA Account?
 
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The purpose of life is for being immortalize in the Guinnes world record book as who's the oldest person :)

Reminds me of this story:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...in-the-world-russia-Koku-Istambulova-chechnya

Asked how she lived so long, Koku, from a village in Chechnya, who claims she will be 129 next month, told an interviewer: "It was God's will – I did nothing to make it happen.

"I see people going in for sports, eating something special, keeping themselves fit, but I have no idea how I lived until now."

And she added: "I have not had a single happy day in my life.

"I have always worked hard, digging in the garden.

"I am tired.

"Long life is not at all God's gift for me – but a punishment."

The amount of time you are alive is not the purpose of life
 
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Same as for every other organic creature in the universe. Find a partner, reproduce yourself, secure the survival of your species. It's pretty simple imo. No hidden message or deeper meaning at the end.
 

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The purpose is the one you set for yourself. You don't need a purpose.

My purpose is to make career, travel the world, live in a beautiful home with a wife, children and a dog, and to never stop learning new things and/or improving on myself.
I get like ±80 years on this dumb rock to make the above happen.
 

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Death doesn't define life. Culturally, it does, but 'heroic death' or 'peaceful death' or 'getting stuck by lightning this year in the us [sic]' are a moment in time. A painful or peaceful change in chemicals. It's one moment.
Life as we define it culturally is ultimately no more than an impermanent state of atoms smashing together in a certain way for a certain period of time until they don't. Death is simply just a change of states.

Therefore the statement that "life is what you make of it" is a vapid one because life has no grand meaning. You can't give it meaning and the universe proves this everyday by random acts that take it away. Any meaning you give it is just a delusion you sell yourself to get through the day.

I know you're going to say I'm cynical, but I don't really think so. There's a difference between understanding the limits of what we are and being fatalistic about it. It just is what it is. My monkey brain tells me certain things, and most if not all of it is bullshit, including any delusions of grandeur I or my tribe may have about our shared meaning in the grand scheme of things. Understanding that we don't that we don't matter doesn't mean we can't find internal harmony, though. This temporarily conscious monkey brain intends to spend its fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a nanosecond in this universe's chronology to at least enjoy itself while it can, and try to make other monkey brains it runs across's time as enjoyable as possible given the limits of its power.

Personally that's enough for me. I understand if it's not for others and do not really begrudge anyone for feeling otherwise, even if I may argue with them about it for sport from time to time :)
 
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WHat`s up with OP telling others if their view on life is "correct " or "incorrect"?

wtf. Oo Did god finally get an ERA Account?

Yes. And in fact, god is Monkey D!

to be pedantic and maximize "I told you so" moments.

You did tell us!

To be angry about everything on the internet.

This is how I am living most of the time, so I guess yes.

Yeah okay, fair enough. Kind of a weird set up. But have fun with it ;P.
As for answers being correct or incorrect, we're in a set of circumstances where life on earth is possible and where some events have made it possible for mammals tho thrive for a period of time (we're still living in that time). Most mammals eat and reproduce and are just part of a biological food-chain. So are we. But we adapted and evolved in a way where self consciousness plays a role. We're probably the only animal that worries about a purpose in life. We think we're so important (especially religious people). Now in your definition our purpose it to live until we die. But that's not a purpose. That's what happens anyway. No matter how long or how short your life is. It's cause and effect. It serves no higher goal. We could just as well never have been born. None of us. And it wouldn't have mattered.

All living creatures could be wiped from the planet and the planet would still be turning with all of its landscapes intact and no universe would give a fuck or be affected by it.
So while i'm not saying i know the definitive answer, i can say that until now, this is what life and education has made me believe. And i've been thinking it since i was thirteen and no event in life made me think otherwise. On the contrary. All things point to all living creatures on earth being as insignificant as all other living creatures in the universe or all that have ever lived. But to be honest, i rather think it's exactly fine this way. So maybe i'm biased because i'm happy with there not being a purpose.

Anyway, i think we basically agree. But it's always hard to see people struggling with the notion of not having a purpose while in my case it's liberating. Just enjoy people. You're allowed to (unless you're living in a fucked up country of course where being happy is made impossible by powerhungry egomaniacs).

I have a weird(bad) sense of humor.

We agree on everything except that I think you're boxing in the idea of 'purpose.'

I don't think the idea of wondering life's purpose is arrogance. For whatever reason, we have consciousness. It would seem to be, as an extension of living, to use that consciousness and only natural to wonder, at some point, "Wait... what? Why? How? What? What even... huh?" lol. And yes, there is a subjectivity to it, but I think there is a True North, too.

It's funny because normally I've thought of myself as atheist/Satanist (which as i like to think of it 'atheism with a sense of fun'), though I guess agnostic fits? I think that people who've experienced "The Answer" (life is meant to be lived; existing for a short period and being able to understand/appreciate it for what it is, is everything) have found ways to put that message out there. I think it's the same basic answer, but it gets lost in translation. Gets lost in different metaphors; people then get lost in the weeds, missing the forest for the trees. Everything from conventional religions or spiritual books, to corny inspirational memes, to "The Force" to the Golden Rule... it's all the same goddamned thing, in different wordings, and various degrees of clarity.

To the last point, the world is full of completely insane people. Some benign. Some less so. I do think that there is a deep fault-line separation between people who have awareness that other life exists besides them (ie., empathy) and therefore an appreciation for that (morality) and act accordingly (ethics) — and people who don't understand other people (ignorance), and therefore have no appreciation for them as life (prejudice) and act accordingly (Republicans).

But if you are able to appreciate life, and all life EVER is, is "this moment" -- its just impossible for our brains to 'think' of that, because we live in the Past or the Future, which is why it's impossible to give the 'right' answer to the question without sounding like babble, because it's so circular -- then you've achieved your purpose. And you've done it in the past, will do so in the future, and may be doing it right now. It's not a finish line, but it's hard for even the wokest of lizard brains to really conceive of it in that way.

It's fun to think about.
 
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Life as we define it culturally is ultimately no more than an impermanent state of atoms smashing together in a certain way for a certain period of time until they don't. Death is simply just a change of states.

Therefore the statement that "life is what you make of it" is a vapid one because life has no grand meaning. You can't give it meaning and the universe proves this everyday by random acts that take it away. Any meaning you give it is just a delusion you sell yourself to get through the day.

I know you're going to say I'm cynical, but I don't really think so. There's a difference between understanding the limits of what we are and being fatalistic about it. It just is what it is. My monkey brain tells me certain things, and most if not all of it is bullshit, including any delusions of grandeur I or my tribe may have about our shared meaning in the grand scheme of things. Understanding that we don't that we don't matter doesn't mean we can't find internal harmony, though. This temporarily conscious monkey brain intends to spend its fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a nanosecond in this universe's chronology to at least enjoy itself while it can, and try to make other monkey brains it runs across's time as enjoyable as possible given the limits of its power.

Personally that's enough for me. I understand if it's not for others and do not really begrudge anyone for feeling otherwise, even if I may argue with them about it for sport from time to time :)

No, I think you're pretty damn close to Da Truth (TM).

I agree that statements like "life is what you make of it" are vapid and useless. I agree with all of your second paragraph, actually, and don't think it's a cynical take. It is just reality.

Our problem (like, everyone's, me, everyone) is that we almost have this capitalistic approach to concepts like "meaning" and "purpose" with regard to 'life'-- we have this tendency to think of it like it's something that can be OBTAINED. Or WITHHELD, or LOST, or STOLEN.

All of your third paragraph is spot on. This is exactly right.
 

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It's obviously to hear the Good News about the resurrection of Our Lord after He sacrificed Himself for our sins (for we are wretched, yet he is merciful); and feel the love of the Holy Lamb enter us through the Ghost of the Father.

It's 2018, I don't know why there are still people who don't understand this.
 
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It's obviously to hear the Good News about the resurrection of Our Lord after He sacrificed Himself for our sins (for we are wretched, yet he is merciful); and feel the love of the Holy Lamb enter us through the Ghost of the Father.

It's 2018, I don't know why there are still people who don't understand this.

Hail Satan, baby!
 

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There's no built-in purpose besides your own biological imperatives. Survive and breed in that order. If breeding isn't your thing for whatever reason, it's just about survival.

The lack of inherent purpose doesn't really matter, because you can decide to pursue what's important to you. For some people it's finding the right spouse and living to a ripe old age together. For others it's raising successful children. Still others choose a craft to master, and find fulfillment in executing their best work. Or you could choose to be a pleasure seeker.

I think it's sort of self-absorbed and immature to expect God or the universe to engineer your meaning. It's scarier but more noble if the responsibility rests with you. Which, ultimately, it does.
 
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The purpose is whatever you choose. However, I think a natural thing, considering how species and specifically humans come into existence is breading, ensuring a good start into life for your children and to try to further the knowledge base and cultural achievements of humanity.
 

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It's obviously to hear the Good News about the resurrection of Our Lord after He sacrificed Himself for our sins (for we are wretched, yet he is merciful); and feel the love of the Holy Lamb enter us through the Ghost of the Father.

It's 2018, I don't know why there are still people who don't understand this.

It's 2018, I don't know why there are still people who believe this.
 

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It's obviously to hear the Good News about the resurrection of Our Lord after He sacrificed Himself for our sins (for we are wretched, yet he is merciful); and feel the love of the Holy Lamb enter us through the Ghost of the Father.

It's 2018, I don't know why there are still people who don't understand this.
It's so weird how science is a thing, literacy is at a historical high, and yet we still have this. I blame public education and traditionalist parents.
 

Wackamole

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Yes. And in fact, god is Monkey D!



You did tell us!



This is how I am living most of the time, so I guess yes.



I have a weird(bad) sense of humor.

We agree on everything except that I think you're boxing in the idea of 'purpose.'

I don't think the idea of wondering life's purpose is arrogance. For whatever reason, we have consciousness. It would seem to be, as an extension of living, to use that consciousness and only natural to wonder, at some point, "Wait... what? Why? How? What? What even... huh?" lol. And yes, there is a subjectivity to it, but I think there is a True North, too.

It's funny because normally I've thought of myself as atheist/Satanist (which as i like to think of it 'atheism with a sense of fun'), though I guess agnostic fits? I think that people who've experienced "The Answer" (life is meant to be lived; existing for a short period and being able to understand/appreciate it for what it is, is everything) have found ways to put that message out there. I think it's the same basic answer, but it gets lost in translation. Gets lost in different metaphors; people then get lost in the weeds, missing the forest for the trees. Everything from conventional religions or spiritual books, to corny inspirational memes, to "The Force" to the Golden Rule... it's all the same goddamned thing, in different wordings, and various degrees of clarity.

To the last point, the world is full of completely insane people. Some benign. Some less so. I do think that there is a deep fault-line separation between people who have awareness that other life exists besides them (ie., empathy) and therefore an appreciation for that (morality) and act accordingly (ethics) — and people who don't understand other people (ignorance), and therefore have no appreciation for them as life (prejudice) and act accordingly (Republicans).

But if you are able to appreciate life, and all life EVER is, is "this moment" -- its just impossible for our brains to 'think' of that, because we live in the Past or the Future, which is why it's impossible to give the 'right' answer to the question without sounding like babble, because it's so circular -- then you've achieved your purpose. And you've done it in the past, will do so in the future, and may be doing it right now. It's not a finish line, but it's hard for even the wokest of lizard brains to really conceive of it in that way.

It's fun to think about.
With all respect, i disagree very much that satanism is atheism with a sense of fun. it's replacing nonsense with even bigger nonsense and is often a result of that first nonsense (religion). Most of these kids are from a religious family and it's their way of revolting.
Life is not meant to be lived. If you don't live your life, it doesn't matter at all. Personally, i choose to give my life a purpose. But you don't have to. You can just as well end you life at any given point. Not my choice. I'm perfectly capable of appreciating my short life.
 

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The purpose of life is to procreate, procreate something that will be better than us that will procreate something better than itself and so on.
 

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To be an instrument of good.
Whose good?

Not entirely serious, just pointing out there are philosophical difficulties with this kind of broad statement.

My own answer would be the good of the human species (assuming common values like health, knowledge, and quality of life), other cognitively advanced animals, and our environment.
 

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It's only to fuck, impregnate and die. Us living till we are in our 80s was never the plan. In, fuck, die. None of this hanging around shit. No meaning. No purpose. Try and enjoy yourself and do no harm.
 

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Whose good?

Not entirely serious, just pointing out there are philosophical difficulties with this kind of broad statement.

My own answer would be the good of the human species (assuming common values like health, knowledge, and quality of life), other cognitively advanced animals, and our environment.

Good that is self replicating and which benefits all life.
 

Atisha

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The purpose of life is to live. To exist, and to "Be."

A tree is alive, and a tree's purpose is not whatever you mistakenly believe you're entitled to from the tree; the tree's purpose is to be right where it is, because it is.

As to the purpose of life you are half right, but without the other half of the answer - you are incomplete.

A trees purpose is not to "be right where it is." They have many functions and purpose. To fail to ascertain this deducts from your score.

Because of your folly your grade is "F".

NBTS.
 
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To prove P = NP and realize that we are too stupid to solve fundamental questions in an efficient manner.
Ape looks into the mirror and doesn't see what's there.
 
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To survive and reproduce as much as possible. I haven't been doing well in both areas lately actually.
 
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With all respect, i disagree very much that satanism is atheism with a sense of fun. it's replacing nonsense with even bigger nonsense and is often a result of that first nonsense (religion). Most of these kids are from a religious family and it's their way of revolting.
Life is not meant to be lived. If you don't live your life, it doesn't matter at all. Personally, i choose to give my life a purpose. But you don't have to. You can just as well end you life at any given point. Not my choice. I'm perfectly capable of appreciating my short life.

You're close but not exactly right.

"Life is not meant to be lived" is obviously not true, it's a contradiction, but what you mean is "Life does not need 'You' to be lived." So it follows in your next statement, your 'life' is not meaningless. What you mean is that "circumstances" are meaningless. This is true, to the degree that 'meaning' in this sense is relative.

But the purpose, or meaning, of life, in the abstract sense of it, is not relative. It's pretty black and white. There is life, and there is death. Everything else is us projecting onto it, with vanity.

Life is -- being alive. Death is -- not being alive. What is 'alive'? We know you don't need to be sentient or conscious to be 'alive.' You don't need to be in a state of motion. You just 'are.' You exist. And it's as true for trees or whatever as it is for you. And it's still true when we break it down into midi-chlorians.

Being alive IS all there "is" -- the idea should be terrifying, and comforting, depending on your mood or perspective, that this is all it is. Organized religions and others use this terror / comfort realization to manipulate for circumstantial means. But the core truth can't be owned.
 
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Well, this purely depends on what religion and so you follow you would find answers there, but it's simple really if you look at each 'man made' physical item in life we've created ourselves, it's for a purpose to do something, its a reflection of us. Each 'thing' we've made has a purpose to do this or that, we've also been created for a purpose, but that is entirely up to you how you see fit to fulfil that.
 
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You are half right, but without the other half of the answer - you are incomplete.

A trees purpose is not to "be right where it is." They have many functions and purpose. To fail to ascertain this deducts from your score. Also trees are not sentient, like a bird is sentient. Trees are not aware - there is no locus of consciousness.

Because of your folly your grade is "F".

NBTS.

I like that you're bringing the grading back but I didn't say trees are sentient, lol, or to be very clear, I don't think that. Obviously trees are not aware. That's what I was saying. Life is not limited to awareness, sentience, consciousness. That's why I brought up trees to begin with.

If not "to be," then what is a tree's purpose? To produce the chemicals it does, which benefits other life? That is our projection, our view of how the tree benefits "me." That is very fortunate for us, but "if a tree falls in a forest and no one's around" - the tree, which was living, is now dead. And so that aspect of life is gone. Just because that fact may not affect us, doesn't mean it didn't happen. We can go and see the fallen tree; it exists.

In other words, other life does not exist in service or only in relation to "you" or "us" -- it just exists, pointlessly, like you/we do, and has just as much right to exist for that same reason.
 
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There are correct and incorrect answers to this prompt.

For one example, "To get the most (of X) possible" would be incorrect. "There is no purpose" is also incorrect. But there are many possible correct answers. You can receive a grade for your response, if you like.
I like how you made that an offer and then proceeded to not wait what people would say of it and just grade reactions anyway ;)
Also, as an individual you can't say what is correct or what is not - What is correct, and what is not, is achieved by repeating an observation of things, to the point it can undeniably be written as true.

For some reason i had to laugh out loud reading this, as i read it as an answer to OP's rules bound question. XD This was good.

Is this meant to be a discussion or do you just want to give us your meaning and let that be that?
Since its an out-of-the-box thread, lets make an out-of-the-box assumption. OP is actually trying to account suicide by way of philosophy. Which is actually, a play on Camus if you think about it :thinking:

In reality its just another thread with little context and done by a user with low enough post counts that this stuff comes across as weird rather than an established pun. Seems to be a trend lately.

Why did you ask if you're just going to shit on what people say? Nobody really knows the purpose of life, there's no need to be condescending.
The whole ''Incorrect! Correct! You are getting warmer!'' is some bizarro way to spampost though. Everyone knows only Fat4all is allowed to do this. ;)

Alright well I thought the game aspect was fun but maybe not. So, I'm dropping it. Here is the Grand Prize Answer — The purpose of life is to live. To exist, and to "Be."
Yeahh that wasnt exactly fun (Who grades forum reactions even?) and that answer is cliche AF. I feel you got that from a Discovery program. In the sense that water is wet (unless it is not!) kind of thing.

But to answer your question: To seek new frontiers, discover new imaginations, To progress our species through knowledge and exploration. (''And to boldly go where no man has gone before.'' (In today's society that should be ''no human'').)

to be pedantic and maximize "I told you so" moments.
Seeing the Subpar Spatula thread, you have been really on point today, damn.
 
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I like how you made that an offer and then proceeded to not wait what people would say of it and just grade reactions anyway ;)
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Yeahh that wasnt exactly fun (Who grades forum reactions even?) and that answer is cliche AF. I feel you got that from a Discovery program. In the sense that water is wet (unless it is not!) kind of thing.

But to answer your question: To seek new frontiers, discover new imaginations, To progress our species through knowledge and exploration. (''And to boldly go where no man has gone before.'' (In today's society that should be ''no human'').)
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Your answer is Incorrect and betrays a fundamentally myopic way of thinking! The purpose of life is not for things to amuse you, the 'frontiers' or whatever else.

The rest of your response follows suit. In your mind, all of this is here to serve 'you' on some level. You don't even understand because your way of approaching it is as a 'cliche' answer 'from Discovery.'

However, rest assured, no one is coming for your self-constructed identity as Very Online ResetEra High Post Count Poster (Lvl 20 exclusive new custom avatar, do not steal), so there's nothing to worry about.