Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]

gates2 · Jun 24, 2018

JimmyJacking said:
First and foremost, it's not 'redacted' it's edited. Redacted implies some sort of censorship for security or legal reasons.

Anyways, the main bit the BBC felt to remove was "Fortnite is already a huge hit with PS4 fans, offering a true free-to-play experience so gamers can jump in and play online" eg. corporate guff that has no bearing on their story. Much like this thread.

It actually has an enormous bearing on the story which paints Sony as an anti-consumer company (that may be 100% true btw), as it is leaving out a Sony policy which every reader and gamer will view as pro-consumer.
The fact that you view not charging people for access to F2P titles as "corporate guff" is also telling; I don't care if you, or the BBC editor thinks that free to play titles should be behind a paywall, that is your right to a free opinion!
Readers however should also be given that freedom: to make up their own mind. Just like you were able to do.
Maybe more people will see not charging for F2P as "corporate guff"; I see absolutely no reason in removing it from the statement.

I was discussing/referencing this because the edited response is the very first thing people see when they open up this thread.

Darknight · Jun 24, 2018

DrDeckard said:
If one person moves thier primary console to the competition then it's a loss for Sony. I've seen multiple cases of people showing images of their Xbox ones they've purchased. Sure it may not be millions but it's still numbers.

I personally don't know if it will change in the npds or not but I know I'm moving away from the platform as much as I can. At the end of the day I'm a gamer and I'm not going to miss out on the next big single player game like the last of us 2 or God of war (top 5 game of the generation for me). I got to experience it and platinumed it. I lost no money playing that game. I lent it two friends and still got 36 pounds trade back for it.

My friends all agree we will take turns to buy an exclusive and pass it around. It's cool that Sony's main first party games are one and done as it makes it easier to do.

I honestly think Sony will 180 on this within the next year. If not they will just look stupid.

You can't look at it that way. It's a loss, but will it be a net loss? What if Sony's current policies ends up being for every person they lose from this, they gain two more in the process? Is Sony going to care about the loss of those people if they're being made up for? Choices that businesses make will always have pros and cons to them and will change how consumers buy or not buy a product, but that doesn't simply mean money was left on the table if people walk away.

Another example of this is, there are a lot of people who complain that Netflix is too expensive and would rather pay $5 for the service. Should Netflix cater to those people or just miss out on their business? Trying to accommodate those potential customers would make them lose money, so it's better for them to lose those potential customers than actually lose money. It's not always in the best interest of the company to cater to everyone's needs or wants.

Serenity Lotus · Jun 24, 2018

Kuma Bear said:
I think it's more about long term damage to Playstation's reputation. I've seen people such as Angry Joe and Jim Sterling say "arrogant Sony" might be back and now their fans are starting to spew this.

What's going to happen when the PS5 comes out? Maybe everyone will just want to leave and play on the other side like we saw with the PS3.

and we all know how that turn out in the end. Sony easily came back once they got all cylinders firing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps...l-you-change-cross-platform-poll-added.50005/

Even with all of this garbage account locking and no cross-play stance people on here overwhelmingly showed that they are not going to ditch the PlayStation brand. Which we can bet here and now that the overall market will be showing about the same numbers going into the new console reveals.

You and others in this topic are seriously overestimating the damage this is causing the PlayStation brand.

DesiacX · Jun 24, 2018

gates2 said:
It actually has an enormous bearing on the story which paints Sony as an anti-consumer company (that may be 100% true btw), as it is leaving out a Sony policy which every reader and gamer will view as pro-consumer.
The fact that you view not charging people for access to F2P titles as "corporate guff" is also telling; I don't care if you, or the BBC editor thinks that free to play titles should be behind a paywall, that is your right to a free opinion!
Readers however should also be given that freedom: to make up their own mind. Just like you were able to do.
Maybe more people will see not charging for F2P as "corporate guff"; I see absolutely no reason in removing it from the statement.

I was discussing/referencing this because the edited response is the very first thing people see when they open up this thread.

You make a really solid point in that the full statement should be visible, and you should report the OP with your posts content in it, a link to TheVerge version of it, and a request for the change.

That said...

Sony's statement, as a whole, already contributed little to nothing. Adding in that one specific portion, which on this forum, has only ever been used as a counter point to Fortnite crossplay, and already has 2 recently active threads of its own, doesn't seem like the best idea in my opinion.

gates2 · Jun 24, 2018

DesiacX said:
You make a really solid point in that the full statement should be visible, and you should report the OP with your posts content in it, a link to TheVerge version of it, and a request for the change.

That said...

Sony's statement, as a whole, already contributed little to nothing. Adding in that one specific portion, which on this forum, has only ever been used as a counter point to Fortnite crossplay, and already has 2 recently active threads of its own, doesn't seem like the best idea in my opinion.

I already reported it, several times now. Never got a response

Come to think of it, Sony didn't even respond to the actual account lock thing!!!

I cannot understand why no journalists or free press are trying to get a real response out of Sony, as Fortnite is the biggest game in the world at the moment..

We need to get real answers:
-Sony, why are you locking accounts to PS, even if consumers want to remove the lock?
-Epic, did Sony request the account locks?
-Epic, if so, why did you agree to this, was there Sony money involed?

Journalists should be really on this right now. If sony goes:
"We have the best game of the gene-"
interrrupt them, and press them to answer the question. Like that Geoff-Nintendo interview with the "it's the same content" that was some good journalism

NLCPRESIDENT · Jun 24, 2018

Alienous said:
No, the push has to come from publishers.

Epic Games are at fault here. They should give Sony their walled garden, and not make compromises ('You don't want to play with Xbox and Nintendo? OK, you can still play with PC and Mobile'). If Sony don't want purchases made on other accounts to work on PlayStation platforms then Epic should allow the one time duplication of items attached to a player's PS4 Epic Games account on a new one - 'Have it your way. Players can decide if they want to spend money in the isolated PS4 ecosystem, or in the shared Xbox One / PC / Mobile / Nintendo Switch ecosystem'.

Sony are doing what they should be doing regarding crossplay. Publishers aren't doing what they should be doing to commit to the shared playerbase concept.

Yup.

Dave. · Jun 24, 2018

Serenity Lotus said:
The account lock is only for console to console or is it also to PC, MAC, IOS, and Android? (as in you can't use the account at all except on PS4)

Asking to be 100% sure as I am giving information to my cousin.

It is only console to console. Every player has access to PC, Mac, IOS and Android at all times (not that there's an Android version out yet, fwiw).

Arthands · Jun 24, 2018

Serenity Lotus said:
and we all know how that turn out in the end. Sony easily came back once they got all cylinders firing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps...l-you-change-cross-platform-poll-added.50005/

Even with all of this garbage account locking and no cross-play stance people on here overwhelmingly showed that they are not going to ditch the PlayStation brand. Which we can bet here and now that the overall market will be showing about the same numbers going into the new console reveals.

You and others in this topic are seriously overestimating the damage this is causing the PlayStation brand.

True. Sony is at this point where they can easily introduce any anti-consumer moves and get away with it because they have the backing of many 'fans'.

Gowans · Jun 24, 2018

Just had a look on Playstation Twitter, tip replays are still fortnite a dozen days later.

nib95 · Jun 24, 2018

DrDeckard said:
I don't understand how their second tweet is "cringy" ? Good on the guy I say. He's got himself a better designed console in the process imo.

Obviously this is your opinion, but what does this even mean? What if said person would prefer the UI, install speeds, features etc of the PS4 instead? And don't most people fundamentally buy a console because said console has more quality games they want to play?

gates2 · Jun 24, 2018

nib95 said:
don't most people fundamentally buy a console because said console has more quality games they want to play?

Most people sure, but the twitter guy didn't buy a console for the games. He bought the console out of principle; he didn't want to support a company like Sony anymore that is in it for the money, even acting anti-consumer.

Those "more quality games"; they were only designed like that to take your money. Sony is not your, nor his friend. Sony may sometimes give to charity, but they are not a charity.

Serenity Lotus said:
I hope you hold the same thoughts for all companies. :)

I was just describing the thought process of the Twitter guy.

Serenity Lotus · Jun 24, 2018

gates2 said:
Most people sure, but the twitter guy didn't buy a console for the games. He bought the console out of principle; he didn't want to support a company like Sony anymore that is in it for the money, even acting anti-consumer.

Those "more quality games"; they were only designed like that to take your money. Sony is not your, nor his friend. Sony may sometimes give to charity, but they are not a charity.

I hope you hold the same thoughts for all companies. :)

nib95 · Jun 24, 2018

gates2 said:
Most people sure, but the twitter guy didn't buy a console for the games. He bought the console out of principle; he didn't want to support a company like Sony anymore that is in it for the money, even acting anti-consumer.

Those "more quality games"; they were only designed like that to take your money. Sony is not your, nor his friend. Sony may sometimes give to charity, but they are not a charity.

Obviously they were designed to make money, but that doesn't mean value isn't derived from said products by the consumer either. The only reason people buy games is because they enjoy or get entertainment out of them.

The better the quality of games a publisher is putting out, to me at least, the more effort and care I can see they are putting in to what is ultimately the fundamentally most important aspect of a video game console.

DrDeckard · Jun 24, 2018

Darknight said:
You can't look at it that way. It's a loss, but will it be a net loss? What if Sony's current policies ends up being for every person they lose from this, they gain two more in the process? Is Sony going to care about the loss of those people if they're being made up for? Choices that businesses make will always have pros and cons to them and will change how consumers buy or not buy a product, but that doesn't simply mean money was left on the table if people walk away.

Another example of this is, there are a lot of people who complain that Netflix is too expensive and would rather pay $5 for the service. Should Netflix cater to those people or just miss out on their business? Trying to accommodate those potential customers would make them lose money, so it's better for them to lose those potential customers than actually lose money. It's not always in the best interest of the company to cater to everyone's needs or wants.

I can only speak for myself and stand by what I believe. I get your point and it's valid but in my logical mind I can not understand how Sony's stance on this could gain them customers. There is no benefit from their policy imo.

nib95 said:
Obviously this is your opinion, but what does this even mean? What if said person would prefer the UI, install speeds, features etc of the PS4 instead? And don't most people fundamentally buy a console because said console has more quality games they want to play?

That person has to make a choice. If they prefer the ps4 and it outweighs their issues then cool. In my personal opinion and experience I have no problem with the Xbox ui. It's superior hardware and controller. I really enjoy the ps4s games and I can enjoy those on my very noisy ps4 pro.

This whole situation just needs Sony to change its stance imo. There is no benefit for us gamers from this.

Edit. Adding - I am annoyed over this and I am expressing my frustration with them. The situation makes me feel less about Sony as a gaming company.

Deleted member 19218 · Jun 24, 2018

Serenity Lotus said:
and we all know how that turn out in the end. Sony easily came back once they got all cylinders firing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps...l-you-change-cross-platform-poll-added.50005/

Even with all of this garbage account locking and no cross-play stance people on here overwhelmingly showed that they are not going to ditch the PlayStation brand. Which we can bet here and now that the overall market will be showing about the same numbers going into the new console reveals.

You and others in this topic are seriously overestimating the damage this is causing the PlayStation brand.

Well, if we look at the PS3 and the Xbox One, I don't think their challenges could be attributed to any one factor but rather multiple things.

I agree with you, this won't damage them significantly in the long term, not on it's own. In fact, if you look at my posting history in this topic, I disagreed with people who said Sony will do poorly in next NPDs results. However it will turn a few people away just like the lack of BC will turn some people away, the often ridiculed customer service will turn some people away, the poor E3 showings will turn some people away and who knows what other controversy in the future.

We have been discussing this cross play situation in detail but I was posting about how this could work with other problems to gradually weaken brand image.

JimmyJacking · Jun 24, 2018

Serenity Lotus said:
The account lock is only for console to console or is it also to PC, MAC, IOS, and Android? (as in you can't use the account at all except on PS4)

Asking to be 100% sure as I am giving information to my cousin.

I only have 5mins, so being a little lazy.

JimmyJacking said:
No.. the short of it;

1. Make purchases on PC
2. Link account to PSN generally say for a free skin or to "play at a mates house"
- zero money spent on PSN -
3. Try to use Epic account on Switch - No benuo

Account is now locked to "Sony approved platforms" (read everything else other that X1 or SW)

Only remedy is to create a new account to use on SW - as prescribed by their error messages

Thus the "account held hostage by Sony"

Note: This also applies in reverse. Account used on X1 or SW initially can not be linked to PSN - they have girl cooties or something.

Main scenarios that trip people up

A) Example used above (as my case - well my nephews) Play on PC, bought v-bucks via PC, linked to PSN for whatever reason, now can't use account on their SW
B) PS4 owners whom have bought the SW and can't use the account.

Powerofthecloud · Jun 24, 2018

DrDeckard said:
Apologies for using one and done. I didn't mean it in a derogatory way. I was using it to highlight that it assists in my plan to buy games on disk, complete them. Pass them around and then trade. Just for further clarification I had moved to 100 percent digital this generation (to support devs and platform holders). I love one and done games. I absolutely loved Ssm,s God of war and I wouldn't want to miss out on those games.

I don't understand how their second tweet is "cringy" ? Good on the guy I say. He's got himself a better designed console in the process imo.

I don't think you meant to respond to me. Because I have no idea with what you are referring. I was just approving of his actions.

Deleted member 17491 · Jun 24, 2018

Colbert said:
One option of response to the situation ... use your wallet ...

The best way to vote with your wallet. Purchase a competitors product.

Lukemia SL · Jun 24, 2018

gates2 said:
Is it possible, just for archival reasons, that the full Sony response is included in the starting post?

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/14/17462932/fortnite-nintendo-switch-block-sony-response-comment

Reminds me of this one:

"Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

https://kotaku.com/5813740/i-saw-the-playstation-3-wired-to-play-against-an-xbox-360-but-you-wont

ghostcrew · Jun 24, 2018

Forbes posted this article a day ago so sorry if it's already been shared. Thread moves fast!

Microsoft And Nintendo Have Locked Sony Into A No-Win Cross Play Trap

With the Fortnite issue, things have gotten especially bad. A lack of cross-play is one thing, but account locking is another, and it's actually a reason to actively avoid PlayStation in the future, if you believe whatever game you're playing is a candidate for cross-play or account sharing. It's already made many players regret ever linking their Fortnite account to PS4, so why would they do that again if this is going to be Sony's position on all titles?

They can continue to flat-out ignore the issue, which they're currently doing, but it's never going to stop coming up because there are more and more games getting cross-play these days, and fans will get more and more mad with each new instance.

They can come up with reasons as to why they're not going to do it, but if it's anything like past rationale given (protecting children from online spaces they can't control), everyone is going to see it as the PR BS that it is, as everyone knows it's primarily about one thing, money.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ocked-sony-into-a-no-win-cross-play-trap/amp/

Deleted member 10726 · Jun 24, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
Reminds me of this one:

"Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

https://kotaku.com/5813740/i-saw-the-playstation-3-wired-to-play-against-an-xbox-360-but-you-wont

Yeah man statements about cross-play 7 years ago have never been more relevant today. Here's another one:

"We want DC Universe Online to be an experience that's fun, rewarding and balanced for both console and PC gamers, so we've decided to keep the platforms separate."

https://kotaku.com/5813740/i-saw-the-playstation-3-wired-to-play-against-an-xbox-360-but-you-wont

ghostcrew · Jun 24, 2018

It's fair to say that cross-play statements from either company made ~7 years are completely irrelevant today.

For one, the issue that has struck a 106 page thread here and been written about by news sites worldwide isn't about crossplay.

And number two, as has been said again and again, two wrongs don't make a right. It's not a defence of Sony (why would you even want to do that unless you're a console warrior?!) to say 'well MS didn't like crossplay last gen so nehhhh'. Yes, it was a shit policy then. It's even shitter now that more and more incredibly popular games have crossplay built in.

Deleted member 12635 · Jun 24, 2018

I want to reiterate.

This is not about cross-play but cross game progression on a 3rd party game with a 3rd party account that is held hostage by one console manufacturer if you link your 3rd party account to him and you are locked out to play with the same account on Switch or Xbox One..

MrCarter · Jun 24, 2018

ghostcrew said:
Forbes posted this article a day ago so sorry if it's already been shared. Thread moves fast!

Microsoft And Nintendo Have Locked Sony Into A No-Win Cross Play Trap

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ocked-sony-into-a-no-win-cross-play-trap/amp/

Bit of a naive, badly written and researched article, of course it's about keeping their audience and money - they are a business. They also need to realise Epic is involved in this too as they signed it off in the first place.

Powerofthecloud · Jun 24, 2018

Colbert said:
I want to reiterate.

This is not about cross-play but cross game progression on a 3rd party game with a 3rd party account that is held hostage by one console manufacturer if you link your 3rd party account to him and you are locked out to play with the same account on Switch or Xbox One..

And as before it is all related. Regardless of it being the account capture, one happens because the other.

Lukemia SL · Jun 24, 2018

Mondo said:
Yeah man statements about cross-play 7 years ago have never been more relevant today. Here's another one:

"We want DC Universe Online to be an experience that's fun, rewarding and balanced for both console and PC gamers, so we've decided to keep the platforms separate."

https://kotaku.com/5813740/i-saw-the-playstation-3-wired-to-play-against-an-xbox-360-but-you-wont

Oh man yeah totally, like whoa

Liliana · Jun 24, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
Reminds me of this one:

"Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

https://kotaku.com/5813740/i-saw-the-playstation-3-wired-to-play-against-an-xbox-360-but-you-wont

And we're back to talking about 7-10 years ago. As already been stated, Sony never pushed for crossplay and crossprogression like Microsoft and Nintendo are doing. But sure, let's go full circle again to distract from the topic at hand.

Lukemia SL · Jun 24, 2018

Regret said:
And we're back to talking about 7-10 years ago. As already been stated, Sony never pushed for crossplay and crossprogression like Microsoft and Nintendo are doing. But sure, let's go full circle again to distract from the topic at hand.

I only said it looks similar.
Sony's just trolling this whole shit.

Smokecapone · Jun 24, 2018

Can you imagine the shit storm if Sony allowed this and their system was compromised again like it was a during the PS3 for about a month?

Maybe that's why Sony is not on board yet!

But let's blow this shit out of proportion over one game!

Barry Sandwich · Jun 24, 2018

Smokecapone said:
Can you imagine the shit storm if Sony allowed this and their system was compromised again like it was a during the PS3 for about a month?

Maybe that's why Sony is not on board yet!

But let's blow this shit out of proportion over one game!

Hey let's make up a reason to justify Sony's anti-consumer position, spin it as a pro-consumer decision, tell everyone they're "blowing shit out out of proportion" and make out like Fortnite is "just one game" and not a massive pop culture phenomenon.

Good job!

Liliana · Jun 24, 2018

Smokecapone said:
Can you imagine the shit storm if Sony allowed this and their system was compromised again like it was a during the PS3 for about a month?

Maybe that's why Sony is not on board yet!

But let's blow this shit out of proportion over one game!

I know you only have 4 posts, but usually we read the OP before posting. There is so much wrong with your post I don't even know where to begin or end.

nekkid · Jun 24, 2018

Regret said:
I know you only have 4 posts, but usually we read the OP before posting. There is so much wrong with your post I don't even know where to begin or end.

That depends - is there anyone here who looks a bit rattled by being outnumbered on the issue??

tapedeck · Jun 24, 2018

Smokecapone said:
Can you imagine the shit storm if Sony allowed this and their system was compromised again like it was a during the PS3 for about a month?

Maybe that's why Sony is not on board yet!

But let's blow this shit out of proportion over one game!

Not sure if serious.

Opus Angelorum · Jun 24, 2018

Smokecapone said:
Can you imagine the shit storm if Sony allowed this and their system was compromised again like it was a during the PS3 for about a month?

Maybe that's why Sony is not on board yet!

But let's blow this shit out of proportion over one game!

Downvote.

ghostcrew · Jun 24, 2018

Smokecapone said:
Can you imagine the shit storm if Sony allowed this and their system was compromised again like it was a during the PS3 for about a month?

Maybe that's why Sony is not on board yet!

But let's blow this shit out of proportion over one game!

Yeah maybe!!! Nice one mate, 10/10 post

DrDeckard · Jun 24, 2018

Powerofthecloud said:
I don't think you meant to respond to me. Because I have no idea with what you are referring. I was just approving of his actions.

Not sure what I've done there. Apologies :)

Redfox088 · Jun 24, 2018

Powerofthecloud said:
Thumbs up.

He showed them!

Dorfdad · Jun 24, 2018

I think people need to pressure Epic games as well they seem to be getting a pass while Sony is getting bad PR and it's jsutified. Epic games is allowing this. Sony couldn't lock your epic account unless Epic approved it. They need to take some heat and make a statement on why they allowed this and how they can fix it.

If Sony made the IP then they can do what they like my Epic account shouldn't be tied to ANY specific device!!

We need to get media to ask Epic for their response and why they are allowing this.

Deleted member 41178 · Jun 24, 2018

Smokecapone said:
Can you imagine the shit storm if Sony allowed this and their system was compromised again like it was a during the PS3 for about a month?

Maybe that's why Sony is not on board yet!

But let's blow this shit out of proportion over one game!

Come on now, who's Alt is this, own up.

Redfox088 · Jun 24, 2018

Epic should easily be able to very and redeem purchases on a new account to circumvent Sony......they and don't need to figure this out

FamousLastX · Jun 24, 2018

Dorfdad said:
I think people need to pressure Epic games as well they seem to be getting a pass while Sony is getting bad PR and it's jsutified. Epic games is allowing this. Sony couldn't lock your epic account unless Epic approved it. They need to take some heat and make a statement on why they allowed this and how they can fix it.

If Sony made the IP then they can do what they like my Epic account shouldn't be tied to ANY specific device!!

We need to get media to ask Epic for their response and why they are allowing this.

Exactly. It might not be primarily Epic's fault but it's their customers who are being negatively impacted as well and for them to just ignore the issue altogether and not say anything is pretty disappointing.

Mega Thread got unpinned from Reddit by the way, so much for that. Think they should have left it up until we got an actual comment, but appatently that's not going to happen.

Alvis · Jun 24, 2018

Smokecapone said:
Can you imagine the shit storm if Sony allowed this and their system was compromised again like it was a during the PS3 for about a month?

Maybe that's why Sony is not on board yet!

But let's blow this shit out of proportion over one game!

Whatever helps you sleep at night lmao

They already allow cross play with freaking PC, the most open platform ever, but allowing cross play with Xbox One or Switch is a security concern.

Besides, even if we lived in some kind of alternate universe in where what you just wrote made any sort of sense, it still wouldn't explain the account lock.

DrDeckard · Jun 24, 2018

Redfox088 said:
He showed them!

He literally did

NLCPRESIDENT · Jun 24, 2018

Xharos said:
Whatever helps you sleep at night lmao

They already allow cross play with freaking PC, the most open platform ever, but allowing cross play with Xbox One or Switch is a security concern.

Besides, even if we lived in some kind of alternate universe in where what you just wrote made any sort of sense, it still wouldn't explain the account lock.

Being an asshole literally loses its purpose in your fight for crossplay..

4 or 5 dudes already piled on him for his thoughts, but step on that throat, bro!
After all it is a war out here..
lol

Deleted member 9317 · Jun 24, 2018

This thread is humid af.

John Omaha · Jun 24, 2018

Serenity Lotus said:
and we all know how that turn out in the end. Sony easily came back once they got all cylinders firing.

Easily? They lost over 5 billion getting the PS3 out of its hole and only came into their current position because the PS4 was competing against two massive PR disasters in the Wii U and XB1 for most of its lifecycle.

This isn't a gamble I would want to take again if I were Sony, especially when Microsoft and (probably) Nintendo will be a lot more careful going forward.

fiendcode · Jun 24, 2018

Dorfdad said:
I think people need to pressure Epic games as well they seem to be getting a pass while Sony is getting bad PR and it's jsutified. Epic games is allowing this. Sony couldn't lock your epic account unless Epic approved it. They need to take some heat and make a statement on why they allowed this and how they can fix it.

If Sony made the IP then they can do what they like my Epic account shouldn't be tied to ANY specific device!!

We need to get media to ask Epic for their response and why they are allowing this.

This isn't the only account locked PS4 crossplat. This is fundamrntally a policy issue with Sony.

Alvis · Jun 24, 2018

NLCPRESIDENT said:
Being an asshole literally loses its purpose in your fight for crossplay..

4 or 5 dudes already piled on him for his thoughts, but step on that throat, bro!
After all it is a war out here..
lol

I generally tend to answer people depending of whether or not I want to, not depending on how many people already answered.

I don't know how what I wrote gives you any right to insult me but whatever

Voxels · Jun 24, 2018

NLCPRESIDENT said:
Being an asshole literally loses its purpose in your fight for crossplay..

4 or 5 dudes already piled on him for his thoughts, but step on that throat, bro!
After all it is a war out here..
lol

True about the asshole part, does nothing for your cause.

gates2 · Jun 24, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
Reminds me of this one:

"Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

https://kotaku.com/5813740/i-saw-the-playstation-3-wired-to-play-against-an-xbox-360-but-you-wont

I don't think you can really compare them.
Back then, PS3 vs Xbox360 was 50:50; they were near 'equal'. This time PS4 vs XboxOne is more like 70:30. As you can see this time it is different. When Sony proposed cross play it was proposed as an equal competitor, to which MS said no. However this time Xbox has fallen behind so much that they even hide sale data from investors..

That is not the point however. No matter how greedy MS was 10 years ago, they NEVER paid companies to lock progress to Xbox.

Instead of showing mercy and allowing cross play and progression, Sony is actively hindering it between consoles. They want people to stop buying Xbox.
They want to make owning an Xbox as unappealing as possible.

Can you now imagine what Sony would do if it was 90:10 ?? They would probably pay Epic to remove Fornite from Switch and Xbox entirely, I mean next to paying to lock cross progression that does not seem like that big a step now does it?

I hope you know now why some people in this thread are upset.

ghostcrew said:
It's fair to say that cross-play statements from either company made ~7 years are completely irrelevant today.

For one, the issue that has struck a 106 page thread here and been written about by news sites worldwide isn't about crossplay.

And number two, as has been said again and again, two wrongs don't make a right. It's not a defence of Sony (why would you even want to do that unless you're a console warrior?!) to say 'well MS didn't like crossplay last gen so nehhhh'. Yes, it was a shit policy then. It's even shitter now that more and more incredibly popular games have crossplay built in.

in all fairness, when opening this thread the first thing you see is the 'response' from Sony, which is only regarding cross play. So now you know why people are discussing a wide variety of topics :-)

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