He said they have "plans". That doesn't inherently mean she's getting a solo movie, atleast not right away.
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@ Marvel, where are my gay heroes?
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Make way for these trailblazers:
Seriously, they'll never be upfront about it but the entire Captain America trilogy is about his love for Bucky. Whether that is Bromance or more is up to the viewers. But you can see how disturbed he was when Bucky ....well, you know, in Infinity War.
Seriously, they'll never be upfront about it but the entire Captain America trilogy is about his love for Bucky. Whether that is Bromance or more is up to the viewers. But you can see how disturbed he was when Bucky ....well, you know, in Infinity War.
Off the top of my head. Most are new characters so they have been introducing a lot but few big names:
Magik (who will be in New Mutants)
Toni Ho (daughter of the guy who helped make Iron Man in the cave)
Aikku Jokinen/POD/Enigma
America Chavez
Shatterstar
Rictor
Hulkling
Wiccan
Angela Odinsdottir
Julie Power
Karolina Dean
Hindsight
Also Korgs supposed to be, but we didn't see that much in Ragnarok
DC had a slamdunk with batwoman but they'd fuck that up of the current decision makers tried a movie.
Except the movies have him romantically pursue Peggy Carter and later Agent 13, including them kissing in Civil War. Let's not give credit where it's not deserved.
User Banned (3 Days): Dismissive drive-by post.
Just follow the story of the MCU & enjoy the ride.
Of course this doesn't alleviate your point OP but doesn't Deadpool 2 with its two lesbians count
True, but not MCU. The Fox movies have always been quite progressive, even if the quality fluctuates.
I honestly think that Marvel likes China's money too much, and they are very strict about that content.
That doesn't really help when you want to see yourself represented in the universe.
That's why I'd keep the kiss ambiguous, during a dying farewell. They're best friends, possibly with unspoken sexual attraction, possibly just platonic brotherly affection. But they're two men out of time who have only each other to cling to. I think one of them saying "I love you", giving a chaste kiss goodbye, done right, could be platonic for the "nah they're just besties" crowd, and a sign of their actual sexual attraction to the "oh they fucking" crowd. Have the cake and eat it.
There are way more bi people around than people realise. Having at least one of the big name A list heroes get written into that list would be accurate and inclusive. Suddenly going "oh this long established character's gay" always feels forced. Admitting that yeah, this character swings both ways is much more of a "oh yeah, I can see that".
Not that there's anything wrong with two guys having a healthy and non-toxic male friendship where they express their platonic emotional love for each other, that isn't a bad thing either. That's also a good step forward. The Steve/Bucky shippers really do make a strong case for there being something more than just that though. I'll understand if it never happens, I expect it to not happen, but would be nice for Marvel to take a brave step with one of their most famous heroes.
In the comics she's in her early 20s, like most of the mutants of her era. The 'New Mutants' are all professors and such now, and she's mostly established as 20-22 or so. Here's how she usually looks in the comics these days:
Or we could try and have a better representation of the people? We just now got a MCU movie starring a black person and it is the single-higest grossing solo superhero film.
It shouldn't be a competition. If anything we need better LGBT+ representation beyond just cis gay men and women.
Yep. It doesn't come up often because she's pretty antisocial in general, but her only heavy flirting has been with women and her only romantic interest, ever, was during the Secret Wars arc and was with Leah of Hel:
And as if in a 'fuck you' to people trying to say 'ALT WORLD DOESN'T COUNT', the first storyline Leah had after Battleworld ending was trying to find Magik to be with her, because she remembered Battleworld [unfortunately, Magik did not].
Because if a Superman type hero likes dick, he's not as strong or brave as your average Superman type. I've been reading comics for two decades, it's just science.
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Wasn't Marvel very recently hyping up a wedding of two gay characters and invited literally the entire universe of Marvel heroes as guests? Or am I imagining that?
Gay men can and have pursued women romantically and sexually, usually believing that it is how things are supposed to be prior to coming to terms with their sexuality.
People can easily make a case for MCU Steve being bi or pan considering the depths he's gone for Bucky are well beyond what most people would do for just a friend and brother, but he is also attracted to women as shown with the examples you provided.
I do agree with the poster who said that people shouldn't eliminate their friendship because it is valuable to show that men can have a deep intimacy with each other without it meaning they are romantically involved, but I think that there is enough there that if Marvel ever decides to bite the bullet, it wouldn't be unbelievable to audiences because there is already a strong foundation there for Steve and Bucky.
Ah, right. As usual, comics don't matter.
We're on the right track with Runaways (which I love, and can't wait to see how they introduce Xavin), but I'm still holding out for the day we get our Young Avengers movie. Even though the MCU already messed up by making Cassie way too young (unless this is gonna be an "Avengers 5" movie).
Because they are a business. People talk about cowardice and bravery like a corporation feels those things, but they're just doing what their board and leaders think is best for profits. Wanting faceless megacorp #234902 to take a moral stand that potentially could meaningfully hurt their profits in international markets will always end in disappointment.
I think at best we get a gay woman hero with a constrained budget aimed primarily at markets that have proven themselves more open minded to LGBT representation. I'd love to be proven wrong.
I think at best we get a gay woman hero with a constrained budget aimed primarily at markets that have proven themselves more open minded to LGBT representation. I'd love to be proven wrong.
Lol at the source material mentions. If they wanted an LGBT character in there, they'd be in there. It's 100% about international movie markets.
The gay is on TV.
The gay is on TV.
What? I'm pretty sure Steve would go to those lengths for a friend. Not only is he his childhood friend but he's the only person still living who was around back then. Losing him would be further disconnecting himself from the time he was born.
Like what do you think people would be like: "Yeah I would go and help them... BUT their only my friend so nah don't think it's worth it."
Plus I feel like supporting Steve-Bucky just falls into the idea that you can't have two close characters of the same sex who don't want to bone each other.
Can't help you with Marvel, but if you're interested in DC series at all, I'd recommend watching Black Lightning.
Ironic that Deadpool 2 is the first big superhero movie to have openly gay characters that aren't just mentioned in passing
They're getting there. You have to take into account, that not until like the last 5-6 years have LGBQT have been more widely accepted. Its similar to African American superheroes. Outside of Blade, we didn't really have anyone else.
6 years ago we wouldn't have a show or movie on Black Panther, Black Lightning, and Luke Cage. Progress is being made in the comic books industry.
6 years ago we wouldn't have a show or movie on Black Panther, Black Lightning, and Luke Cage. Progress is being made in the comic books industry.
I think you are misunderstanding my post a bit.
I don't think that these are signs of a romantic relationship, only that they can be cues that can be read into as platonic and romantic depending on how one interprets the kinds of behaviors present in friendships like Steve and Bucky's.
Steve would certainly do whatever he could that was in his power for a friend, but I find it hard to imagine Steve going as far as he did for Bucky if it were Tony, Natasha, Sam, or any of the others. He'd fight for them, fight against them for their own good, but it would never be to the same lengths that he took for Bucky. He'd likely capture and subdue them if they were brainwashed. He'd try to get them to compromise or see the error of their ways if they were trying to run away.
Yes, letting Bucky die would have disconnected him from his original life, but even up until the helicarrier crashed into the Potomac, there were very few cues for Steve to believe he could wake Bucky from his programming. The Winter Soldier would have killed him if not for Steve telling him "I'm with you 'til the end of the line."
Steve had hope in Bucky and would have let him kill him in that moment had Bucky not faltered. There are very few people in this world who would allow a friend or family member to do that to them. Most people would fight back or walk away from that person.
And very few people would ever give up everything they've built in their lives or damage another friendship for just a friend or family member.
Also, in media where story beats that are similar to Steve and Bucky's are present but it is between a male and female character, these actions would be interpreted as wholly romantic. There wouldn't be a shadow of a doubt about it.
Which is why I said an argument can be made should somebody want to make one in favor of Steve and Bucky.
Which is what I agree with. Not every intimate male friendship needs to mean they are or will be romantically involved. I said as much in my post, and I believe that we do need to normalize male intimacy in order to cut down on toxic masculine behaviors in society.
But look at it this way—how often do we see intimate male friendships in media? Nowadays it is becoming more frequent to the point that we point them out as "bromances", but we rarely see male romantic relationships in popular media. One depiction of two male friends becoming lovers wouldn't invalidate all other intimate male friendships shown in media. It's a drop in the sea compared to the dozens of platonic bromances that are in various films and shows.
I don't really think it'd ever happen, but I think out of all of the possible choices to introduce an LGBT character or couple into the MCU by using existing characters, Steve and Bucky are solid choices just because they already have an existing history together within the franchise that is built on their dedication to each other and the intimacy they share.
Nah that's just best friend stuff. Nothing romantic about any of that. Plus we know Bucky was a bit of a man whore with women and Cap has Agent Carter (both of them)Make way for these trailblazers:
Seriously, they'll never be upfront about it but the entire Captain America trilogy is about his love for Bucky. Whether that is Bromance or more is up to the viewers. But you can see how disturbed he was when Bucky ....well, you know, in Infinity War.
Not a hero, but I think Ulysses Klaue from Black Panther May have been gay. In the film, when Everett Ross and Klaue meet at the casino in South Korea, Klaue massages Ross' shoulder suggestively until Ross tells him "that's enough." It could be that Klaue isn't gay but was just exercising a power move to make Ross uncomfortable, but I can't be certain.
Can't really compare Black Panther to a lgbt super hero. One black panther is a big character in comics and 2 there is no major lgbt characters that I can think of who could all hold a story of their own. There's not many smaller and minor heroes either.
The issue for blockbusters and LGBT remains international markets. Have a major gay character whose sexuality is a plot point to the point that it can't be dubbed over or easily suppressed in an edit? Then you're banned in China, Russia, and much of the Muslim world. It simply wouldn't be done.
Sub-blockbusters might be all over this, but that's not the superhero genre which needs to make maximum bank worldwide, and for big parts of worldwide, LGBT is still criminalized.
Sub-blockbusters might be all over this, but that's not the superhero genre which needs to make maximum bank worldwide, and for big parts of worldwide, LGBT is still criminalized.
I remember this tweet from a while ago... I don't even know half these characters but there seem to be a lot of them in the comics nowadays...
https://twitter.com/LucianoVecchio/status/982293303235366918?s=19
Uh, Colossus is gay and has been for like as long as I remember.
The deadpool 2 scenes were the most marvel comic book shit ever if you've read some of the deadpool stuff.
The deadpool 2 scenes were the most marvel comic book shit ever if you've read some of the deadpool stuff.
If I remember correctly, only his Ultimates version of him is gay. He's been in many heterosexual relationships, especially with like Kitty...I haven't read the X-Men comics in some years, though, so maybe I'm behind?
He isn't openly gay in the Deadpool films. The most we have gotten is Wade flirting with him and Colossus rebuffing him most of the time.
I think it's weird to accuse Disney or Marvel of being "cowards" when they are a corporation who produces movies to make a profit and certain areas of the world still don't have wide spread acceptance of homosexuality (everyone keeps bringing up China but that's still an unfortunate reality in the US too). These are mainstream products that appeal to the widest demographic possible in most cases. That's all they've ever been meant to be. It's why we only just in the past two years got a major blockbuster starring a woman super hero and a black super hero. That's roughly 50% and 20% of the world population respectively that has been barely represented in these films outside of the past 2 years.
That said, I actually think we'll see a major homosexual presence in one of these movies pretty soon. The cultural landscape has shifted pretty dramatically recently and I think the executives behind these movies are starting to understand that you can't release 3 movies a year when they're all so similar in presentation and tone. Marvel's only recently introduced and emphasized LGBTQ characters in comics regularly so when the focus of the movies shifts from old 60s and 70s Legacy shit of mostly white men to more contemporary characters, I think we'll start seeing representation increase.
If I had to guess, I think if Marvel does a relaunch of X-men after the Fox acquisition, they'll probably go ahead with Iceman being gay in that. I could also see America Chavez being a major character in a future film soon.
That said, I actually think we'll see a major homosexual presence in one of these movies pretty soon. The cultural landscape has shifted pretty dramatically recently and I think the executives behind these movies are starting to understand that you can't release 3 movies a year when they're all so similar in presentation and tone. Marvel's only recently introduced and emphasized LGBTQ characters in comics regularly so when the focus of the movies shifts from old 60s and 70s Legacy shit of mostly white men to more contemporary characters, I think we'll start seeing representation increase.
If I had to guess, I think if Marvel does a relaunch of X-men after the Fox acquisition, they'll probably go ahead with Iceman being gay in that. I could also see America Chavez being a major character in a future film soon.
They really just need to make a Young Avengers movie.
Marvel recently retconned Hercules to straight in the comics. If they are not going to make him bisexual in the movies, they should stay far away from the character.
Marvel recently retconned Hercules to straight in the comics. If they are not going to make him bisexual in the movies, they should stay far away from the character.
People are waaaaay reaching with the Cap Bucky shipping. They're friends. Dudes can be friends without being gay, same as women.
A lot of those are either X-Men or locked down to the tv shows like Runaways.