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TheIlliterati

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This is completely pointless and stupid. It may end up terrible to even great, but to have literally zero connection to the first season is asinine. Of course the plot would be different, but another Simmons story? Nope. Same showrunners? Nope. Same actors? Nope. Writers? Nope. So basically a new show with the same title.
Yes. Like Feud, American Crime Story. It was always an anthology series so I am not sure about the outrage.
 

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I wish the show itself was more engaging. It wasn't bad it was just very, very straightforward and dry. No real hook or moment you couldn't get from reading the premise/summary. Not at all to the level of everything else Sheridan has done.

I mean, he's working in a different medium and it's only episode 1 of 10. Give him time!

They'd have to recast or ignore Brighton, that guy couldn't act at all. But I'd wach it, the original show was great.

No recasts! That dude isn't an actor anymore so I don't think he'd be up for anything other than a cameo anyway.


Huzzah! As I said in the other thread, I'm curious to know if this was always the direction they were going to go in or if it's something they just came up with in an effort to be topical? Either way I don't think that perspective has ever been explored in TV before, so I'm looking forward to it!
 

mjc

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I like the idea of the second season of The Terror, at least story-wise. Cautiously optimistic.
 

TheIlliterati

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American Crime Story has different showrunners.
You got me. It just FEELS different. I guess because ACS starts from a place of a generic anthology title and The Terror is a specific Simmons novel, which they are turning into a generic catch all. I hope its good anyway. I guess they're defining it as historical horror, which is still interesting I suppose.
 
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Both of those are Ryan Murphy shows though. Don't they at least share some showrunners? Maybe you're right, but I at least viewed those as coming from Murphy at their source, not new people every year.
The second season of ACS was headed by Tom Rob Smith instead of Scott Alexander and Larry Karaszewski and all of the creative staff was new (even if Ryan Murphy still oversaw the show for both seasons), there will likely be at least some overlap in terms of producers for The Terror as well. Murphy played a fairly small role (comparatively) on ACS, he's not listed as a creator or writer for any of the seasons.

addendum: I don't think we have a rundown of the crew for the second season of Feud yet. So that why it was left out.
 

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The second season of ACS was headed by Tom Rob Smith instead of Scott Alexander and Larry Karaszewski and all of the creative staff was new (even if Ryan Murphy still oversaw the show for both seasons), there will likely be at least some overlap in terms of producers for The Terror as well. Murphy played a fairly small role (comparatively) on ACS, he's not listed as a creator or writer for any of the seasons.

addendum: I don't think we have a rundown of the crew for the second season of Feud yet. So that why it was left out.
Yeah, I just looked up the Feud 2, and it doesn't look like its even happening any time soon, if ever, due to Ryan having one billion other shows coming out.
 

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From the June TV thread but posting it here for a bigger audience:

This is an older thread, but it resurface again in a discussion Netflix and their show quality. Provides a good overview of business approach:





So basically NBC's dumb asses killed Seeso (their own streaming service) because Netflix offered them lots of money for The Office exclusivity.
 
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From the June TV thread but posting it here for a bigger audience:





So basically NBC's dumb asses killed Seeso (their own streaming service) because Netflix offered them lots of money for The Office exclusivity.


I didn't fully understand Seeso position in the market considering NBC's investment in Hulu. The whole thing seemed really odd to me.
 
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From the June TV thread but posting it here for a bigger audience:
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So basically NBC's dumb asses killed Seeso (their own streaming service) because Netflix offered them lots of money for The Office exclusivity.
Lots of things killed Seeso, so NBC weren't that dumb to take the deal. But yeah, a bunch of companies approaches to OTT have left a lot to be desired which is why Netflix is in its dominant position. It will be interesting to see how much Apple and Amazon will be able to move the needle by throwing a ton of money around since they seem to be the most inclined to go against Netflix's top dog position.
 
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Yeah, this makes sense. In the recent Vulture story, Sarandos said that Everything Sucks was cancelled so quickly (I think it might have set a record for Netflix) not just because total viewership was low, but because a below-average percentage of the people who started the season finished it.

Meanwhile, Altered Carbon still hasn't been renewed and I'm wondering what the deal is.
 
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Lots of things killed Seeso, so NBC weren't that dumb to take the deal. But yeah, a bunch of companies approaches to OTT have left a lot to be desired which is why Netflix is in its dominant position. It will be interesting to see how much Apple and Amazon will be able to move the needle by throwing a ton of money around since they seem to be the most inclined to go against Netflix's top dog position.

Don't leave out Disney, especially if the Fox deal goes through.
 
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Man I was really enjoying This is US until I saw a bunch of people on here calling it "emotionally manipulative"
I was like "what the hell does that even mean thats like every drama ever"


..... I got spoiled on a few things coming up
Now I know what it means...
 

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From the June TV thread but posting it here for a bigger audience:





So basically NBC's dumb asses killed Seeso (their own streaming service) because Netflix offered them lots of money for The Office exclusivity.


To be fair would The Office have helped Seeso that much? It is getting kinda old (at least by TV standards) by now and I doubt there would be a ton more subscribers to the service if they were the only place for The Office.
All these companies making their own video streaming platforms separate from Netflix reminds me of all these companies making their own PC store separate from Steam. Sure some may find some success (especially if they have big games) but honestly I think most customers prefer their content in one place, with the service that has nice features (be it Netflix or Steam). Leaving their content on Netflix/Steam would probably earn them more money in the long run even if they don't make as much on it compared to their own platform.
 
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To be fair would The Office have helped Seeso that much? It is getting kinda old (at least by TV standards) by now and I doubt there would be a ton more subscribers to the service if they were the only place for The Office.
All these companies making their own video streaming platforms separate from Netflix reminds me of all these companies making their own PC store separate from Steam. Sure some may find some success (especially if they have big games) but honestly I think most customers prefer their content in one place, with the service that has nice features (be it Netflix or Steam). Leaving their content on Netflix/Steam would probably earn them more money in the long run even if they don't make as much on it compared to their own platform.
What features does netflix even have that arent just cheap gimmicks.

I dont think people want everything on only one service, gives you nothing to do when netflix goes *down*, and also you become enslaved to whatever price netflix dictates with no alternatives. We also get more shows if there are more services.

Also people like having more just for the sake of it, consider how there are so many Gasoline companies (Shell, Exxon, Speedway, Metro, etc), but the gas is basically the same, minus very minute properties that most car drivers dont even know about.
 

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To be fair would The Office have helped Seeso that much? It is getting kinda old (at least by TV standards) by now and I doubt there would be a ton more subscribers to the service if they were the only place for The Office.
All these companies making their own video streaming platforms separate from Netflix reminds me of all these companies making their own PC store separate from Steam. Sure some may find some success (especially if they have big games) but honestly I think most customers prefer their content in one place, with the service that has nice features (be it Netflix or Steam). Leaving their content on Netflix/Steam would probably earn them more money in the long run even if they don't make as much on it compared to their own platform.
I always find it odd when people say they hate monopolies when in fact they love them because they're too lazy to manage more than one source for anything. lol
 

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To be fair would The Office have helped Seeso that much? It is getting kinda old (at least by TV standards) by now and I doubt there would be a ton more subscribers to the service if they were the only place for The Office.

Well, people do really like the show and if they had given Seeso exclusive rights to it, then it could have helped to boost the service in its early days (ala The Simpsons and FXX).
 

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Sad to see Timeless cancelled (again) but I'm not surprised by it. Won't hold out hope for that movie either.
 

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What features does netflix even have that arent just cheap gimmicks.

I dont think people want everything on only one service, gives you nothing to do when netflix goes *down*, and also you become enslaved to whatever price netflix dictates with no alternatives. We also get more shows if there are more services.

Also people like having more just for the sake of it, consider how there are so many Gasoline companies (Shell, Exxon, Speedway, Metro, etc), but the gas is basically the same, minus very minute properties that most car drivers dont even know about.




I mean there's only so many features that a video streaming service can have compared to something like Steam but what they do have is better than any of their competitors (much like Steam and other PC stores).

I always find it odd when people say they hate monopolies when in fact they love them because they're too lazy to manage more than one source for anything. lol

Well Netflix and Valve don't have any sort of monopolies in their fields.
I do think most consumers do want as much video content on a single low priced streaming service as possible for obvious reasons though.
 

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TV Land has cancelled Nobodies after two seasons.

After one modestly rated season on TV Land, Nobodies was relocated to sister channel Paramount Network for Season 2.

Nobodies' sophomore season was slated to premiere on March 29, a couple of weeks into the run of Paramount Network's Heathers. When the latter was pushed (it was eventually permanently shelved), Nobodies was on its own, and after two low-rated airings on Paramount Network, the series returned to TV Land where its numbers perked up and Season 2 finished a fraction ahead of Season 1 in Live+same day. Still, the comedy remained behind TV Land's flagship original comedy series, Younger, recently renewed for a sixth season, and Teachers.
 

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TV Land has cancelled Nobodies after two seasons.
Damn. Even though it didn't seem to be popular or perform well, I enjoyed the show a lot. I'll miss it

Also, is Younger a comedy? From what I've seen it definitely came off as more of a drama. I never stuck with it. Teachers is the last thing I have on their channel.
 

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Does anyone still care about Brockmire? The way it ended made me feel like they were basically wrapping it up since the premise was kind of done and they just needed to end it.

Hell, it reminded me of the final season of Maron... but in 10 minutes instead of 10 episodes. lol
 

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Does anyone still care about Brockmire? The way it ended made me feel like they were basically wrapping it up since the premise was kind of done and they just needed to end it.
I mean, it's been renewed through 2020, so maybe its a soft reboot.

From what I heard, they basically removed Amanda Peet's character, right?
 

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I mean, it's been renewed through 2020, so maybe its a soft reboot.

From what I heard, they basically removed Amanda Peet's character, right?
It's literally the Maron final season arc. He loses everything, goes into a drug induced spiral, and then goes through rehab and finds a new life... back with Amanda Peet's character. All of this was in the finale episode. lol
 

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Meanwhile, Altered Carbon still hasn't been renewed and I'm wondering what the deal is.

Yeah, the show came out in January and still no word on its fate. I figured the higher cost and international cast might have factored into them making a decision, but it's damn near July and still no word one way or the other.

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A tactic that historically has almost never ended well. Brilliant move.
It makes me unreasonably angry everytime it happens, of course there are surprise cancellations but when you're a bubble show you really shouldn't end on a cliffhanger. It's even worse for show's like Timeless that were already saved once, they already achieved the almost impossible and they're still pulling that shit?

And fuck that wrap up movie, the entire second season was a ten episode "wrap up movie", they actually got a chance to finish the story and pissed all over it, they shouldn't be rewareded for that.

I still appreciate Chuck doing a potential finale every time they didn't know if they would get renewed. Sure, the show now has 6 or 7 "finales" over 5 seasons but had it been cancelled at any of those points the fans would not have been left hanging. That's how you run a bubble show!
 

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Does anyone still care about Brockmire? The way it ended made me feel like they were basically wrapping it up since the premise was kind of done and they just needed to end it.

Hell, it reminded me of the final season of Maron... but in 10 minutes instead of 10 episodes. lol

Just marathon'd through season 2 and that was a bit of a disappointing ending, I love downward spiral Brockmire and the start of the finale episode made me really think I had missed watching an episode or something, they jump from him meeting the redhead (who was awesome in The Good Wife) to just crazy times with her.

It was definitely a weird, weird finale and I didn't care much for it. It almost felt like a dream, like I expected it to end with him waking up from a coma.

Sometimes shows don't really need to grow, I would be perfectly fine with 5 seasons of Brockmire being an asshole to everyone, calling games in a minor league team drunk as hell, and the trials and tribulations of everyone around him.
 

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Just marathon'd through season 2 and that was a bit of a disappointing ending, I love downward spiral Brockmire and the start of the finale episode made me really think I had missed watching an episode or something, they jump from him meeting the redhead (who was awesome in The Good Wife) to just crazy times with her.

It was definitely a weird, weird finale and I didn't care much for it. It almost felt like a dream, like I expected it to end with him waking up from a coma.

Sometimes shows don't really need to grow, I would be perfectly fine with 5 seasons of Brockmire being an asshole to everyone, calling games in a minor league team drunk as hell, and the trials and tribulations of everyone around him.
Yeah that's why I was wondering if the show was cancelled. lol
 

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It doesn't even deserve a movie, they barely got a second season and the dumbass showrunners end it on a cliffhanger? Screw them.

A tactic that historically has almost never ended well. Brilliant move.

I'm not watching Timeless anymore so I don't know what kind of cliffhanger they ended it on, but most good television ends any given season (other than a final one) with hooks for the next. It's an on-going series. You want to give people a reason to come back next season.
 

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I'm not watching Timeless anymore so I don't know what kind of cliffhanger they ended it on, but most good television ends any given season (other than a final one) with hooks for the next. It's an on-going series. You want to give people a reason to come back next season.
There's "this season is a self-contained story arc that has a beginning, middle, and end; here's a tease of next season", and "here's a goddamn cliffhanger". Timeless decided on the latter.
 

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Timeless ended with the villain doing the obvious thing while the heroes stand around and let it happen... and then BAM STUPID CLIFFHANGER that doesn't really mean anything because it's more stupid than not. lol
 

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Paramount is airing commercials highlighting they have syndication rights to Mom, and Two and a half men. They rebranded for that?

I mean, they do have original series but they can't air them all week long. Gotta fill that airtime with something!

It's an on-going series. You want to give people a reason to come back next season.

But when your show was already cancelled once due to miserable ratings and then miraculously saved from death, you don't end the next season on a giant cliffhanger in the hopes that it will generate enough fan outrage to prompt the network into renewing the show. That's only ever happened like twice and it's always a shitty thing to do.
 
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