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Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]
- Thread starter Gowans
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I dont get it. Its not Epic who has the say here , and its very unlikely they can fix it without Sony cooperating with them. What they do now is the best they could while allowing Playstation owners to play this game too
I've always known why people are up in their feels over this. When you say Sony want people to stop buying Xbox I mean, come on. It's true.
Why are you specifically calling him out when the guy in question that everyone quoted obviously did not read the OP? I dont understand why you're saying he is being an asshole when 90% of posts on Era that mock someone from not reading the OP (and just post a drive-by) say similar things.
Weren't you recently banned for something similar, though?
Not for being a dick for people having an opinion, no. My post was on how popcorn worthy the thread is. It got me through the work week because of the traffic.
the sheer stupidity of this fan theory that completely ignores how networks work is always hilarious.
1- I'm not a dick. Neither am I an asshole. If you think I am, please say so directly to me.
2- You're right, you were banned for attempting to (and failing to) derail the Minecraft cross-play trailer thread.
Report and ignore mate. Mods are policing these threads hard and it's been a graveyard of warnings and bans so far because people can't help themselves.
User Banned (3 Days): Personal attacks, thread derailment. History of similar behaviour.
I'm not going to derail the thread again but I will directly state that your attitude sucks. You are incredibly condescending to people which don't share you views to a T.
Anyway, my argument was for people to share the same aggression for all Anti-Consumer acts and by default all companies are Anti-Consumer. I really don't see the problem with that stance.
I mean, you returned to the conversation to call someone an asshole and then in your next post call someone a dick. Whose attitude sucks?
No, I'm condescending to people who pretend not to understand the issue. You, on the other hand, immediately agreed with an user who called me an "asshole", thus calling me an asshole, and then called me a dick. Two insults in a row, for no reason.
Whose attitude sucks again?
By the way, you can't say "I'm not going to derail the thread" while derailing the thread. Well, you can, but it's not some magic card that will prevent people from seeing that you are derailing the thread.
Also what the fuck, you're the guy who wishes the problem doesn't get fixed because "you enjoy the drama" and you say the thread is "popcorn worthy". You're a troll. Go away.
Epic clearly wants cross play and cross progression. The only console manufacturer which restricts this is Sony. What do you think?
You literally said you hope Sony doesn't unlock accounts because this is the most exciting drama you've seen, talking about personal entertainment when many people are frustrated about the whole ordeal. How is that not you being what you're saying you aren't?
You're right. Thanks.
Stuff like this can have a long term affect. One negative thing isn't going to do much. Add this though to how they threw No Man's Sky under the bus, the shit Jim Ryan had said and their PR comments about this issue. Eventually a lot of this will come back and bite them in the ass.
Cross play in and of itself is amazing for obvious reasons, but the added bonus in terms of like, Fortnite...since the X and Switch are my platforms of choice, being able to play it in 4K at home, then grab what I believe is the best portable ever made, and have everything carry over is mindboggling. I havent felt this way since Xbox Live was introduced. Its game changing.
I think is time to lock this thread and accept the fact that Sony because of his position in the video game market, can get away with it. All they are doing is let people forget about this issue and slip it under the carpet. It's going to be two weeks this Tuesday and all we got was this sorry PR from a Sony representative that it doesn't make any sense.
If we don't close the thread, the mods are going to be busy banning people here and there, because Sony fans don't understand that the majority of people is asking is to cross-progress on the Switch and continue using our accounts.
I'm not consider myself a Sony fan, even though my main console is a PS4; I also own an XBOX ONE X and a Switch. I'm not even dropping the PS4 because I have so much money invested in digital content and also in Fortnite, the only thing I can do is to stop giving money to Sony everytime I do a Fortnite purchase and channel it through the Apple Store.
If we don't close the thread, the mods are going to be busy banning people here and there, because Sony fans don't understand that the majority of people is asking is to cross-progress on the Switch and continue using our accounts.
I'm not consider myself a Sony fan, even though my main console is a PS4; I also own an XBOX ONE X and a Switch. I'm not even dropping the PS4 because I have so much money invested in digital content and also in Fortnite, the only thing I can do is to stop giving money to Sony everytime I do a Fortnite purchase and channel it through the Apple Store.
Unless something has changed, Sony doesn't even allow crossplay with Switch in Disc Jam, where Xbox isn't even there.
They are just not interested in playing ball with console competitors.
EDIT: Of course, this is nothing to do with blocking an account.
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Actually I don't think you're an asshole, that's what made me say wow. Plus, obviously everyone that comes in this thread are not gonna be as well versed in video game politics as you are. Dude was an easy target.
And I'm sorry if I insulted you. Straight up.
For the reasons above. Plus how many posts in this thread with the quote "two wrongs don't make a right"?
Y'all done kicked out almost every opposing opinionated person in this thread with posts like that. I love reading this thread, I wanna see where it goes, but it Just seemed like a lot of bullying, and if I can say something I will... like, you guys are for the people, right?
This is great. Although, to be devil's advocate, he wouldn't be getting the error on a PC... :p
There was a limit to just how much photoshopping I was prepared to do
This is bullshit...it's their game. It's their goddamn software. This is a cop out. They could make the effort to redeem the purchases of people trying to switch. Sony deserves the hate but I'm not buying this narrative that epic the creators of the biggest thing since COD have absolutely no say and no wiggle room in this situation. You can buy that if you like though....
Epic hasn't done anything wrong and shouldn't be held accountable for a decision Sony made that negatively impacts them just like everyone else. They are victims too.
You don't think the company that we can, at the very least, confirm is blocking crossplay, wouldn't have gone out of their way prevent that?
Good work, now tweet it to Phil Spencer so he can share it :-P
it somehow reminds me of this:
"The day Sony took your Crossplay away was the most important day of your life-"
Like they feel the issue is too insignificant for them to respond to it or something :-(
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No I don't.
"Hey epic will you let me redeem my purchases if I start a new account?"
- " sorry, Sony says if we did that they would beat us again...this time with a hanger!"
If I call customer service...ask to delete the account but if I start a new one can i redeem my purchase and they say "no" the onus is on them as they are the only ones who stand to benefit from someone starting a new account and repurchasing content they already purchased once before.....I can't believe someone just called a multi billion dollar corporation a victim. If they really felt like victims this would already be in court, trust me.
Shame that thread is no longer stickied on Reddit, but that's a great idea. Even if you mainly play on PS4, buy all your vbucks on PC or mobile.
They'll still carry over to your PS4, but you no longer give Sony a cut of the profits from the purchase. Hit them where it hurts.
I gotta say it's been quite fantastic to pick up the switch, pump out a few games on my patio well enjoying the sun and then coming in and playing on my one X in 4K and having all that progress carry over without any extra effort on my part.
I understand from a business perspective why they would do this but it really really sucks for people that played this game religiously on PS4 and were excited about having this on switch.
I understand from a business perspective why they would do this but it really really sucks for people that played this game religiously on PS4 and were excited about having this on switch.
Increasing the risk of gambling addiction by introducing the activity to kids /= losing $20 in skins and a levelled character.
The point stands that arguing for the goodness and benevolence of a corporate overlord who is part of an organization that has been proven to subvert democracy and human progress* is, imo, evil. It is fine to push for and support pro consumer thing, just dont fall into the trap of becoming a useful idiot for rapacious capitalists.
*. There are a bunch of examples, but two MS behaviours I'll bring up are 1)predatory monopolistic behaviour (which would have been punished had not George Bush II been elected) and 2) the use of dead people's identities to lobby congress for specific legislation. NGOs run by Bill Gates have used that last tactic as well to push for Ayn Rand-ian education reform, btw.
As long as people know that corporations are totalitarian and anti-democratic by their very nature and that giving you crossplay or the ability to buy used games, or play [insert exclusive Mario/Spiderman/Halo game here], etc. is only being done because it benefits management/owners, then I won't feel the need to comment. Save you warm and fuzzy feelings for those who deserve it: Assange, Ehren Watada, Daniel Ellsberg, Doctors Without Borders, survivors of warcrimes, MLKjr, starving dying Yemenise, victim's of Isreal's aparthied state, and on and on. Wasting moral outrage on consoles of all things...
In that case, what exactly is stopping Epic from activating both Crossplay and Crossprogression? I had assumed it was a policy or contract they agree to by being on Sony's platform, but if the only consequence is a theoretical beating, then what is stopping them?
Any breach of contract could resort in all kinds of legalities, to be honest it would be more fun to see Sony try and take them to court over it.
I think Sony would end up having a strong case there, at the obvious cost of bad PR if it got public. If they didn't, Epic wouldn't have backed down when Microsoft had told them to turn it off the last time it was accidentally activated.
I think they wouldn't but I actually imagine that the bad PR of the reason for them refusing it becoming public could be enough to have them back down.
They are victims?
When they are profiting from their customers having to re-buy the skins/ MTs they already purchased on PS4?
Jesus.
It all originated from Sony's policy, but this account blocking is as much on Epic as it is on Sony, because they could design a system around it. If they wanted to,
The staning for Epic is as bad as the one for Sony.
"Victim"... /smh hard.
Do you understand that that's not what Epic wants for Fortnite players - for them to have to repurchase elements of Fortnite across platforms? That they have a clear vision for a platform-agnostic future for their service game, inhibited only by the fact that one platform holder out of five has decided that their business philosophy is at odds with Epic's vision for their game?
Technically, every developer impacted by Sony's cross-play policies is a victim on some level, because they're being prevented by Sony's policies from achieving a vision for their games which they see benefit to and which is otherwise well within their ability to achieve. I'm not going to act like this shit is costing those developers dearly, but it is inhibiting them from achieving something they want to achieve, and could achieve, with their games.
You want to know something funny, I cannot find a single source of this incident anymore...
Even Epic deleted all references to this event from their patch notes.
For those suggesting that Epic design a method of cross progression to get around Sony's block...
Can you suggest it in a way that doesn't sound like Cross Progression or Cross Buy with extra steps?
Or optionally, can you suggest it in a way that actually gets around Sony's policy without breaking it? This one is gonna be harder, because even though we know the policy exists and is preventing Cross Progression between consoles, we know none of the details about it.
Can you suggest it in a way that doesn't sound like Cross Progression or Cross Buy with extra steps?
Or optionally, can you suggest it in a way that actually gets around Sony's policy without breaking it? This one is gonna be harder, because even though we know the policy exists and is preventing Cross Progression between consoles, we know none of the details about it.
The following quote (just a few posts above yours) explains why Sony should make an effort to improve the situation:
Yes, the market is very different now than it was just a few short years ago. People are now invested (emotionally and financially) in their games and the overall platform. They are not inclined to give up their game libraries, friends lists, trophies/achievements, etc., for "no reason". It takes a real screw-up on the platform holder's behalf to irritate customer enough to jump to a competing platform. While we've seen this sentiment shift back-and-forth a few times over the last several years, this is contingent on the other guy screwing up in some noteworthy fashion. See PS3 $599, Xbox 360 "red ring of death", PSN hack, Xbox One DRM/bundled Kinect announcements.
If Sony loses a lot of customers to Microsoft, then as long as Microsoft keeps their hands clean, they'll continue to retain those customers.
Moral: Instead of hoping and praying that the other guy screws up, you need to avoid screwing up yourself, so that you don't lose those customers in the first place.
That's a good point, which others in this thread have also made.
As far as I can tell, the Epic account is the central account for this game. Other accounts (PlayStation Network, Xbox Live, Nintendo, Twitch, etc.) are voluntarily linked to the Epic account, through the use of a neutral platform, that being the PC.
If all linking and unlinking is accomplished through the PC (read: neutral platform), then Sony doesn't actually have any control over this. While this might have been a Sony directive to keep the platforms separate, it's Epic's implementation that has caused the problem.
While people attempting to play Fortnite on the Microsoft® Xbox One™ or Nintendo® Switch™ might be seeing messages coyly alluding to "a platform which does not allow it to operate" because the manufacturers don't want a direct reference to the Sony® PlayStation 4™, there shouldn't be any problem with making a clarified statement when a neutral platform is in use. Epic should have given fair warning to their customers that linking or unlinking an account associated with a game console could cause their Epic account to be locked to that console and restricted from others. The customer could then decide at that exact moment, while using the neutral platform, whether to proceed (and thus lock their Epic account to PSN), or cancel the process and create a new Epic account (as Epic is now encouraging people to do).
Epic's staff might not be personally enthusiastic about locking and unlocking accounts with regard to one particular platform (PSN), but at the same time they have done absolutely nothing to discourage the practice.
See above. They are not "victims", since they designed and maintain the Epic account, along with all mechanisms to link/unlink other accounts to it.
Both Sony and Epic need to work on solving the problem, and both parties need to explain to their customers how they intend to do this.
Surely they'll have to change eventually. More games and the eventual next big hit will use cross play. It doesn't seem to be happening any time soon though. All I can do is just use a new account and never use my PS4 for anything but KH3.
You're wrong. Dragon Quest X and PSO2 also lock accounts by console, this is pretty obviously a policy issue related to PS4 specifically.
I'm not talking about the "policy issue". I'm talking about when a user goes on his PC to link/unlink console accounts to the Epic account. That is when Epic should provide the warnings explaining the consequences of linking/unlinking accounts...not after the fact of the matter, when the user tries to play on another console.
Without knowing the licensing and platform agreements in place we can't say for sure if this is Epic's fault or not. Account lock we can pretty safely say is Sony policy though given we have multiple examples of it and nothing indicating otherwise.
To stop people duplicating items is my guess. As all unliking does is remove whatever platform you unlinked, not whatever you did or bought on that platform, including getting the PS4 lock.
Isn't it more a issue that they didn't inform people? I don't think they deserve much blame, as it just wouldn't be a issue if Sony weren't being dicks, but they are far from the victims (as someone else called them) in this situation.
I just didn't understand why people were blaming Epic for anything.