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Hollow Knight Switch's Input Lag bums me out
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Thank you for the amazing game! It's been a while since I got interested in a game to the point of trying to find more lore on the internet.
thank yall for taking your time with the port. it was worth the wait. appreciate all the work yall do!
I was with you on your input lag worries, up until this point.
You don't deserve a response from them. You're acting childish at this point.
As has been said repeatedly in this topic, it does occur on PC with V-Sync on. If you'd have read AriEX2's post closely, it seems like Unity on Switch forces V-Sync on. Could that be changed? That would be a fair question (to ask courteously).
Would likely introduce distracting screen tearing.
The game was designed around the current input lag. The end.
It's a bit sad this is becoming the most prominent thread at the moment but the OT keeps chugging along nicely.
Just the biggest thank you to you and your colleague (and the composer of the OST) from me. I truly believe you have made something that rivals Super Metroid and SotN, which I didn't think was even possible. Every second and corner of this game oozes with your passion.
Again, thank you so, so much.
On a sidenote, seems like the Switch port was worth the wait and effort not only for us players but also for you. Can't wait for what you have in store fore us in the future.
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Except the PC version has a lot less input lag?
It's like releasing a 5fps game claiming "the game was *intended* to be 5fps!! You don't get it!", with the PC version running at 20fps. Reviews in the N64 days slammed Rare's games from suffering from massive slowdown issues, with reason!
Sorry about this OP. Seems most of the people don't care about this stuff and they just want to play their games. I feel the PC crowd notices this stuff more and takes exception to it more than the console crowd.
I have never played the game but appreciate the OP noticing something like this and trying to figure it out.
I have never played the game but appreciate the OP noticing something like this and trying to figure it out.
Without v-sync. His post was pretty clear.
What a great comparison. I see you haven't stopped being a dick.
Yeah poor OP, that insults the devs from the game when they took their time to explain the situation in response to his thread.
Comparing the amount of input lag Hollow Knight has to a game with 5fps is so overly dramatic I can't even.
Did you consider the PC version with less input lag might have had VSync disabled? No? Ok.
OP has accused the dev who bothered to answer in this thread of being lazy. Nothing to appreciate there tbh. Game is flat out amazing and no amount of miniscule input lag changes that.
Your responses have gotten more and more toxic in this thread as it's gone on. I would quit while you're behind. The devs came in to give a reasonable explanation and you replied like this? FOH.
This is a lazy response. There is input lag. The delay is noticable. I don't need to blame lag for my lack of prowess at a game, nor do I care if a random person on the internet thinks I am good at a game or not.
My post was to simply illustrate the fact that the delay did make certain sections of the game more challenging (i.e end of a platform and the character falls off instead of jumping since there is a small delay). However, I am more than willing to admit I am partly to blame after reading the below.
What I'm describing can very well be the edge leniency. Excuse me for my lack of knowledge, but does "tighter" edge leniency mean the edge is the edge (aka you can't fudge a pixel or two afterwards)?
I don't appreciate the tone, but there is sone merit to points made here. Is the PC version indeed more responsive? I need to peruse the thread.
Do you have no mode but hyperbole? The developers more than graciously respond to your melodramatic thread and you accuse them of laziness, when the port is practically flawless.
It's astonishing the fuss you're self-perpetuating over weighty animations the game is designed around, which demonstrably have zero negative impact on the precision required to execute the game's challenges.
with vsync on it's the same as Switch, with vsync off it's more responsive
Thanks for the informative response and especially for such an incredible game. It's good to have confirmation that the behaviour and timing windows are intended, even if they have their own learning curve for a new player settling in.
PC with VSync = Switch version latency = Mario Odyssey latency and many other games as well, on Switch or PC or PS4
PC without VSync has slightly less latency
Unity on Switch forces VSync, apparently.
Devs design and test around latency with VSync on.
There is a noticeable difference in the PC version while having v-sync on or off (when it's off it's more responsive).
Not sure if the input lag on Switch is the same as the PC version while v-sync is on but I assume so.
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User Banned (2 days): "Lazy dev" rhetorics + Ignore previous moderation warning.
Except all they've done is denial. I'm trying to be constructive but it's really hard considering everyone's attitude. I don't consider their explanation reasonable unless they've actually contacted Unity dev support and see if anything can be done about it. From their response it seems like they haven't. Team cherry: have you contacted Unity dev support to see if anything can be done/fixed about their vsync implementation?
Thank you for the game, it's great!! I'm really waiting for Gods & Glory, and Glory DLC (I'll buy it :D). And also thanks for the answer and info.
everyone's attitude of not agreeing with you?
geez so mature dude, also, if you actually pay attention to what the devs said you would see there's no denial there. That seems to be hard for you, though. Really, it's not reasonable because you just don't seem to understand nothing about game development and i'm starting to doubt even your skill to read and interpret stuff. You can't be this dumb.
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Why the fuck do you keep ignoring the fact that the PC version with VSync on has the same input lag as the Switch version, which forces VSync? Why the fuck do you act like you know whether they contacted Unity Support or not?
Who the hell do you think you are? This is unbelievable at this point.
You act like you can demand shit from them. They don't owe you anything and the only one with a horrible attitude in here is you.
...with Vsync disabled, which isn't how the game was balanced. They designed around the added input lag of Unity's Vsync. That's how the game was intended to be played.
Perhaps you don't like that, and that's fine. I don't particularly love Unity games for many reasons just like this one. It is what it is.
Hey, the devs are kind enough to address your issues in a very polite and respectful statement. Return that in kind.
Good God you're quite obnoxious, aren't you. The devs are responding politely and you shoot back with "shut up, you're lazy!".
Sheesh.
I wouldn't be surprised if they just decide to give you a middle finger as a response, to be honest. Again, sheeesh.
Don't know what to tell you OP. I would consider myself to be pretty sensitive to input lag and I only notice the slightest bit of lag playing in docked mode with a pro controller. I don't notice any lag at all in handheld mode.
Good thing I never buy Switch ports of indie games. It's become pretty common for them to have lag input.
This game is worth the price of admission. I still recommend it. It's not unplayable.
I just wanna say, as someone who's dream is to make my own huge, amazing game with a small team (currently just myself and my brother) you guys have inspired me probably more than anything I ever thought possible. This is one of the best games I've ever played, and proof that determination can produce incredible results even without a multi million dollar budget.
As for this thread, know that most people seem perfectly happy with the controls, myself included. The game controls phenomenally. I can really only find one part of the control mechanics that gave me trouble (specifically in the path of pain) and that was when using the crystal dash, figuring out exactly when you can jump again after either hitting a wall or stopping in mid-air. But everything else played like a dream.
I kinda wish there was an option on the eShop to pay more for a game than the asking price, this was worth a full $60.
Thank you so much for this amazing game. The atmosphere, the music, the artstyle, the charming writing, the gameplay, everything just comes together. I was concerned about input lag as well, but if you state that the character is supposed to have weight to it as an intentional design choice then that puts my mind to rest.
Why bother? For 99% of players the game is perfectly playable. I've put 40 hours into the game, and it only took about one of those before I'd adjusted to the controls.
Maybe you'd do better if you spent more of your time learning the controls and less of it being rude to the developers of one of the best indie games in recent memory.
was roughly with you in spirit until this my dude
It's utterly understandable that this wasn't a high priority. I guarantee the input delay isn't a result of laziness and I'm also willing to bet it was a known thing.
Haven't played Hollow Knight before and got it for Switch a couple days ago. I've played in handheld and docked for a couple hours each. Didn't have any problems with the controls at all. They are smooth, silky, and responsive.
Don't have the PC version so I can't compare to that, but if you haven't played this game and have a Switch, I don't think you are missing out on anything.
Don't have the PC version so I can't compare to that, but if you haven't played this game and have a Switch, I don't think you are missing out on anything.
You can't be serious. This must be on my end. I'll go sit down and check that the Spore Shroom is equipped.
It's really bad. I can't get into it because of how bad it controls. Wasn't sure why I kept falling off ledges at first... but I knew the jumping and moving felt so wrong.
Yeah calling it UNGODLY amounts of input lag, had me scratching my head.
Edit. Saw his response to the devs, which he was warned for. Damn op. Show some respect
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