Would Twin Snakes more closely align with my fan theory that the MGS saga is the tragic tale of Ocelot's unrequited love for Snake? I didn't play very far into it, but would consider it if it feeds into my theory nicely.
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Playing Metal Gear Solid for the first time - PS1 original or The Twin Snakes?
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Not disc rot, but the labels cracking is common, there was a thread about it at gaf a year ish ago.
Might want to check em though, mine are fine but a lot of people's were kinda grody looking.
That's normal, the bad ones look like crusted mud that dried out and cracked all over.
Christ on a bike you have to play the original.
Do not let Twin Snakes be your first experience of an amazing game.
Do not let Twin Snakes be your first experience of an amazing game.
People keep talking that Twin Snake is crazier, yet the entire serie is.
If you plan to play the entire serie chronologically, go with Twin Snake.
The ps1 version is just for nostalgia sake for people who have played it back in the days.
If you plan to play the entire serie chronologically, go with Twin Snake.
The ps1 version is just for nostalgia sake for people who have played it back in the days.
I recommend the original, THEN twin snakes, to appreciate how amazing the original game is, and how crazy the new cutscene direction is. I love how over the top it is, it gets so freaking ridiculous and fantastic.
but the original comes first, quite a unique experience and game, should be enjoyed on it's original merits.
but the original comes first, quite a unique experience and game, should be enjoyed on it's original merits.
This is the worst post so far. Just because the later games are crazier than the first doesn't mean Twin Snakes somehow fits them better. The ps1 version is for people that want to play actual Metal Gear Solid. Twin Snakes is an interesting 'remix' but if you only play one it's strictly worse.
Both imo just imagine Otacon retellin the story to Sunny or sumthin while playin twin snakes. Twin Snakes is still pretty cool imo.
The orginal is kinda the Ocarina of Time of the series. It's a must play.
The orginal is kinda the Ocarina of Time of the series. It's a must play.
It's still plays over the end credits. But you don't get that bit of it as the game starts, you get some generic shit instead.
This isn't semantics. Twin Snakes was given to
Kitamura because Kojima wanted his style. It's not about being like the original.
The accents might be great, but there was no reason for them to have accents in the first place. Naomi and Mei Ling lived most of their lives in America. Where did the accents come from?
And stop with the exagerrations. You're acting as if the voice acting is bad. It's not.
It's absolutely semantics. Whether he did it intentionally or out of ignorance, the result was the same thing. You're saying rather than 'not knowing' why people loved the original, he knew and simply ignored it. Ok? I mean, I'm not going to say you're wrong because I don't care about researching that matter to begin with, what I'm saying is the end result is still a game that ignores what people loved about the original in that way. It's not a valid way to deflect that criticism. As they would say in Archer: "Didn't know or didn't care?" "either?"
It's not an exaggeration to call the voice acting bad, it absolutely is. These are talented voice actors, directed in a manner that caused them to sound like amateurs who were falling asleep. That's awful
The original is way more pure and atmospheric. Plus a few better creative decisions.
Twin Snakes easier and smoother with some nice touches, but not as good
Twin Snakes easier and smoother with some nice touches, but not as good
When I was younger, I enjoyed Twin Snakes more.
Now that I'm older, I can differentiate the qualities that make the OG superior.
That said I still liked TS even though it went full anime, I liked the theory that Twin Snakes was Otacon's out there rendition of what went down at Shadow Moses.
Now that I'm older, I can differentiate the qualities that make the OG superior.
That said I still liked TS even though it went full anime, I liked the theory that Twin Snakes was Otacon's out there rendition of what went down at Shadow Moses.
Agreed, his sneaking suit is the best it's been too.
Sadly I prefer the original even though I almost always prefer remakes. Twin snakes isn't bad but it missed the mark for sure.
Most people saying the original is better are saying so from nostalgia. There are some strange changes to Twin Snakes such as the cutscenes being weirdly over the top anime shit, which are definitely weird decisions and a downside, but if you hold no affection for the original it's not a big enough negative to be a real problem. For controls and graphics alone, however, Twin Snakes blows the blurry, D-pad controlled, fuck ugly original out of the water. The PS1 version of the most dated looking and playing games I've played in fact. Aiming some of the weapons with the D-Pad is outright comically bad. The story is the same in both, so it depends what's more important to you, playing the classic original that made people love the game, or a more modern, nicer looking, much better controlling version.
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Twin Snakes is playable but the OST is worse and although it does control better nothing else is changed which makes it a terribly designed game. Being able to stand right in front of a guard's vision cone and tranq snipe him with the FPS controls completely breaks the game balance.
Go for the original and then if you are morbidly curious play TTS.
Go for the original and then if you are morbidly curious play TTS.
Discounting TS criticisms as 'just nostalgia' is really annoying. You don't hear this with the REmake cause the REmake is better in basically every single aspect. RE1 is just a history piece at this point, but MGS1 is a perfectly valid way to play the original.
A lot of the criticisms levelled against TS here are legit to the people raising them, it's up to the OP if they sound like the type of things that would be an issue for them. If not, then maybe play Twin Snakes. But just know it isn't really a revolutionary overhaul, just a mid 2000s 'update' of an older game which itself doesn't look that good anyway (again compared with something like REmake).
Graphics for me at least is a bit of a moot point with games this old. Your choice is between the unstable z-buffer-less dirty looking visuals of the original or the vaseline smooth dolls of the remake. Neither is wrong but I don't think it's as binary a choice as offered by some. I like the cruder dirty look personally. Also for a full series playthrough you get to maintain that leap in clarity from noise to higher detail. The Tanker mission in MGS2 is maybe the peak of the series for me and seeing the new look of the game for the first time is a big part of that 'oomph' factor.
Do what you want OP but don't buy into those telling you that TS criticism is just 'nostalgia'. Also TS isn't all bad I suppose, that version of Snake does look better.
A lot of the criticisms levelled against TS here are legit to the people raising them, it's up to the OP if they sound like the type of things that would be an issue for them. If not, then maybe play Twin Snakes. But just know it isn't really a revolutionary overhaul, just a mid 2000s 'update' of an older game which itself doesn't look that good anyway (again compared with something like REmake).
Graphics for me at least is a bit of a moot point with games this old. Your choice is between the unstable z-buffer-less dirty looking visuals of the original or the vaseline smooth dolls of the remake. Neither is wrong but I don't think it's as binary a choice as offered by some. I like the cruder dirty look personally. Also for a full series playthrough you get to maintain that leap in clarity from noise to higher detail. The Tanker mission in MGS2 is maybe the peak of the series for me and seeing the new look of the game for the first time is a big part of that 'oomph' factor.
Do what you want OP but don't buy into those telling you that TS criticism is just 'nostalgia'. Also TS isn't all bad I suppose, that version of Snake does look better.
People saying OG MGS is the way the game was meant to play are wrong.
Twin Snake is 100% the original Kojima's vision, without hardware/gameplay restrictions.
People saying it's way too much over the top are also the one saying MGS 1 is the only good Kojima game... Pure non sense.
(Also, for those who are french, 100% go for Twin Snake. French dub in MGS ps1 is terrible omg !!!!)
Twin Snake is 100% the original Kojima's vision, without hardware/gameplay restrictions.
People saying it's way too much over the top are also the one saying MGS 1 is the only good Kojima game... Pure non sense.
(Also, for those who are french, 100% go for Twin Snake. French dub in MGS ps1 is terrible omg !!!!)
Twin Snakes is an abomination. Everything just feels off, music, voice acting and cutscenes especially.
MGS2 gameplay additions don't bring anything new to the game, just breaks the boss fights.
I bought a GC for the game and it ended being the most disappointing game on the console.
MGS2 gameplay additions don't bring anything new to the game, just breaks the boss fights.
I bought a GC for the game and it ended being the most disappointing game on the console.
Twin Snakes is like Peter Parker's evil dance in Spider-Man 3. Just like totally completely off and ridiculous. Terribly produced and designed. Graphics are messed up. It really disgraced a classic.
Just save yourself the time and watch the movie.
Or
There are even movie versions for Metal Gear game previous to Solid. Then you can start playing with MGS 2 HD, and at least it's somewhat modern feeling.
Or
There are even movie versions for Metal Gear game previous to Solid. Then you can start playing with MGS 2 HD, and at least it's somewhat modern feeling.
Twin snakes somehow lines up better with the sequels in terms of their ludicrous events. The mgs2 QoL changes are extremely welcome in TTS. Unless you are playing on a CRT I wouldn't play the PS1 version because it'll look like absolute dogshit on a LCD/oled/plasma. I too prefer the PS1 music overall but Mei Lings voice is absolute garbage offensive in the original game. That's by far the biggest improvement for me.
That's why some of the gameplay additions plainly break the game, I guess, because Kojima has no notion of balance and systems interplay.
Yeah, nope. Twin Snakes retrofits a bunch of shit that have no place being in MGS.
I can't stress enough how much of a joke Twin Snakes is.
Just watch the first 5 minutes and see Snake doing multiple back flips under water.
the cutscenes and voice acting is horrible compared to the original. I would avoid it to be honest and just play the games in release order. Play Twin Snakes after if you want to see how people can take a good thing and make it, "SUPER XD EPIC." It's just too over the top...even for MGS standards.
The entirety of Twin Snakes is the roller staking boss fight...
absolutely untrue. Kojima specifically told the Twin Snakes director to do his version of it, and not to replicate MGS1 shot for shot.
Just watch the first 5 minutes and see Snake doing multiple back flips under water.
the cutscenes and voice acting is horrible compared to the original. I would avoid it to be honest and just play the games in release order. Play Twin Snakes after if you want to see how people can take a good thing and make it, "SUPER XD EPIC." It's just too over the top...even for MGS standards.
The entirety of Twin Snakes is the roller staking boss fight...
absolutely untrue. Kojima specifically told the Twin Snakes director to do his version of it, and not to replicate MGS1 shot for shot.
Fuck the purists, Twin Snakes is really good and I think you should play that over the original.
Again it's more what it does with the Snake character.
Whole backbone of the original story is that he's the 'ordinary' twin with 'flawed' genes (I think MGS got the biology a bit wrong, but anyway) that breaks free from his genes and overcomes enemies that should be more powerful than him. (Literally explained by Naomi, also riffed on in the MGS2 CG opening)
In the Twin Snakes fiction, Snake is more powerful than many of his enemies.
Show me where Solid Snake does anything remotely as ridiculously acrobatic as the shit that he pulls in Twin Snakes...TS stands out like Revengence, another ridiculous (albeit fun) spinoff game.
A big part of the charm of these games was the juxtaposition of a relatively grounded player character facing off against an eclectic group of enemies with fun quirks and abilities. It's a mixture of serious moments grounded in reality, and weird shit like Johnny Sasaki shitting his pants, or a cyborg ninja cutting off a wannabe cowboy's hand. Making everything super crazy all the time just dilutes it and becomes eye-rolling. Snake is meant to be the one normal guy, TTS turns him into everyone else.