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Metal B

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With this logic, battling trainers in routes are a waste of time because they aren't Gym leaders.
No, fighting other trainers i find be the most excising part, since the whole game and thematic is build around it. Training, choosing your team, tactics, etc. But those 6vs1 battles are the worst ... i wish, the game would center about grinding against other trainers and not just running in circles and beating up wild Pokemons.
 

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I avoid wild battles as much as possible when I play so, I still wanna try it out, but Im hopeful. Catching as its own little thing could be cool but yeah im worried about exp share and how not having wild battles affects the game as a whole.
The thing is, they could easily have had the Let's Go encounter system and the GO style capture system while keeping wild battling. There's no logic in removing it. It is pointless and replaces one "grind" for another.
 

Serebii

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No, fighting other trainers i find be the most excising part, since the whole game and thematic is build around it. Training, choosing your team, tactics, etc. But those 6vs1 battles are the worst ... i wish, the game would center about grinding against other trainers and not just beating up wild Pokemons.
Battling wild Pokémon is a big part. It teaches the battle system, shows integration into the concept.

The trainers in routes are no different to wild Pokémon. Underlevelled, no challenge, "pointless" as some have said about wild battles, yet you wouldn't advocate their removal.

There's no logical reason for it to be removed. Thankfully, it's unlikely it'll carry over to Gen 8.
 
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Mcjmetroid

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The thing is, they could easily have had the Let's Go encounter system and the GO style capture system while keeping wild battling. There's no logic in removing it. It is pointless and replaces one "grind" for another.

I agree with this. I think people would be more accepting of the motion go control if you added both together. The Battling and then when the bar goes red press a button and the ring will appear and you throw. It would actually take way more skill.
 

Firemind

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Which, from everything we've seen so far, are one-offs with no opportunity to battle them again.

So it's really just replacing one grind for another.
You don't need to grind in Yellow. Having Pokemon actually on screen makes the whole experience more streamlined. Can't believe people still defend this.
 

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The thing is, they could easily have had the Let's Go encounter system and the GO style capture system while keeping wild battling. There's no logic in removing it. It is pointless and replaces one "grind" for another.

Having both wild battling and Go capturing would make capturing Pokemon take longer than usual. I do see your point and they could have had wild battling and instead of just selecting the pokeball from your inventory and clicking a button you could throw it instead. This would leave out the berry mechanics from Go though.
 

Serebii

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Sadly there is a group of Pokemon traditionalists that dislike the direct that this game is taking.
Why sadly? People don't have to be happy with every change because it's a change, you know.

There are elements of this game I am loving. There are elements I'm disliking. I'm not going to shut up about the ones I dislike, and there's no reason why I should, or why anyone should. We're all entitled to our opinions.
 

RionaaM

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Agree. And the thing that bums me is that mods are modding pure opinions, not behaviors.

No win if you want to argue with them. God mods.
The irony of banning you for "misrepresenting moderation" while proving your point at the same time is delicious. If only someone could comprehend that criticizing a game isn't the same as attacking its developer...
 

Kyzer

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The thing is, they could easily have had the Let's Go encounter system and the GO style capture system while keeping wild battling. There's no logic in removing it. It is pointless and replaces one "grind" for another.

That woulda worked for me, maybe even make the Go part optional. But I think the obvious idea here is that they want to milk the Go audience

Honestly if they dont have trainer or gym leader rematches Ill probably be pretty upset
 

Metal B

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Oct 27, 2017
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Battling wild Pokémon is a big part. It teaches the battle system, shows integration into the concept.
And this wouldn't work with Trainer Battles because .... ? Also the battle system isn't about getting HP low enough to throw balls against them, it's just about betting them up. You actually don't want to use the system effectively in this scenario.

There's no logical reason for it to be removed. Thankfully, it's unlikely it'll carry over to Gen 8
Maybe making catching Pokemon more interesting, personal and faster.
 

Kyzer

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Yeah just realized. Whether or not they have trainer or gym leader rematches will play a big part in my tolerance of the removal of wild pokemon battles
 

WrenchNinja

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That woulda worked for me, maybe even make the Go part optional. But I think the obvious idea here is that they want to milk the Go audience

Honestly if they dont have trainer or gym leader rematches Ill probably be pretty upset
We haven't had trainer and gym leader rematches since Gen 4 and XY Battle Chateau and ORAS Trainers eye in Gen 6. The best we'll likely have is a restaurant.
 

Serebii

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Maybe making catching Pokemon more interesting, personal and faster.
I give it 3 routes before you're sick of it.

Also I don't think it's "faster".

Time taken to press Y & then A to throw a ball: 1 second, if that.
Time taken to do the berry, wait for the right timing/positioning: 5+ seconds
 

TreeMePls

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Oct 25, 2017
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Guys game freak said this game is for regular fans so i expect it to be super hardcore and difficult LMAO
Why is this always the go to deflection used? There's some people out there who just like going through the main journey without ever touching online who could think this game is a step back
 

Berordn

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You don't need to grind in Yellow. Having Pokemon actually on screen makes the whole experience more streamlined. Can't believe people still defend this.
You don't need to grind in any game.

Until you're trying to make a team for battling or you're going back to an earlier route with something rare and need to get it up to speed quickly to match the rest of your team.
 

Servbot24

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Oct 25, 2017
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I trust they will accomplish what they are setting out to do, but I also have no interest in their goals for the game. I'll be in for next year's game.
 

Serebii

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Obviously they didnt show Brocks match because he has a team that changes depending on your team and you can fight him infinite times... :sweat:
Na, they're making it like the anime so it'll be a double battle with your Pikachu VS his Onix and the Sprinkler system, clearly. That's the only change :P
 

Metallix87

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You are mistaking things that aren't for your taste personally to be some sort of affront to you, or being shunned.

I am a hardcore Pokemon fan and I will enjoy this game and am looking forward to it.
"It appeals to me, so your argument is moot".

You're entitled to enjoy it, that's your right. I'm not suggesting you can't. That being said, stop pretending this isn't going directly against what most fans like about the games in various ways. And this is coming from someone who thinks dropping wild battles might end up being a good idea.
 
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Mcjmetroid

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Having both wild battling and Go capturing would make capturing Pokemon take longer than usual. I do see your point and they could have had wild battling and instead of just selecting the pokeball from your inventory and clicking a button you could throw it instead. This would leave out the berry mechanics from Go though.

I think it would take about the same time perhaps an extra 5 seconds. My idea would be: When the Wild Pokemon is "in the red" you can still select "throw Pokeball" and Then the Ring will appear and you motion throw.

You may waste more Pokeballs this way so the game should compensate for that by supplying you more.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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I give it 3 routes before you're sick of it.

Also I don't think it's "faster".

Time taken to press Y & then A to throw a ball: 1 second, if that.
Time taken to do the berry, wait for the right timing/positioning: 5+ seconds

you skipped the part where you have to get them lower hp and status effect, but isn't it safe to assume you will have the team you want much faster since you only engage what you want to? A lot of encounters in long grass usually result in you clicking run away until you encounter what you want, which does eat up time.
will there will be much need to grind pure levels if the game isn't hard
 

Cipher Peon

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I trust them entirely!

My primary concern is that the new entry isn't anywhere near as radical as I'd prefer. It's not a matter of trust, as I trust them to make a game I'll enjoy :o
 

Brickhunt

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Pokémon Let´s Go will probably be my first Pkmn game ever since B/W and I am really looking forward to play it. I do understand the backlash from core fans and, honestly, I am a bit bothered by some it. Some of the things announced ARE shitty, like Mew behind a paywall and the lack of motionless options for capture (It doesn't bother me at all, but some people will be). Fortunately, this is not the DS era anymore, the games now will be actually patchable, so vocal and reasonable backlash can be make it's way into the game. However, I will say there is some conclusion jumping from detractors:

Are we sure that Mew will it only be available this way? Are we really sure there won't be other ways to get it without having to expend money? If it really there isn't, then GF deserves all backlash possible until the revert this.

Also, are we really sure that we won't see any other gen Pokémon eventually? I find unlikely that Let'Go won't interact, at some extend, with the gen 8 games at all. So I think the 656 Pkmn data will be in the game and may become available later events or maybe even postgame content, notthat different from how FireRed/Leaf Green allowed Gen 2 and Gen 3.
 

Serebii

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you skipped the part where you have to get them lower hp and status effect, but isn't it safe to assume you will have the team you want much faster since you only engage what you want to?
will there will be much need to grind pure levels if the game isn't hard
I mean you don't have to do that, but it makes it easier like using a berry.

But fine, if you insist on splitting hairs :)
Are we sure that Mew will it only be available this way?
Yes, they said it's the only way to get Mew
 

Metal B

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The heart of the game is ignoring one of the first mechanics you ever learn.
I can see, that catching Pokemon by batteling them is a very elegant solutions, since you use the same mechanic for all parts of the game. Introducing new mechanics can make the game too unfocused. But i feel, if you don't make it too complicated, you can have people focus and move faster of the actually tactical and meaty part of the game: the fights against other trainers.

But having a system, just because it was always there, is a lame excuse,
 

Kyzer

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Lol the only reason I was playing Go was for Mew and apparently that one wont be transferable, only the Pokeball Plus one ? Awell, got all the starters and an Articuno out of the deal
 

mute

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I don't think it is a trust problem. This isn't some ambiguous change that we need to wait and see about, it's easy tell whether or not this is something someone will like.
 

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if only because its entirely optional which and when you engage with, yeah. Its probably going to wear just as thin but this type of player agency is certainly something new here.



In a perfect world, trainers would pose some challenge, give good xp and money. Wild Pokemon have always been less appealing than even the mindlessly easy trainer fights. Going through 50 random encounters to get Pikachu to appear isnt exactly fun either.

And what is so exciting about facing Mewtwo like they showed in the trailer or facing a high level Pokemon with that catching system? and finding and catching a rare Pokemon is not fun?
 

Firemind

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You don't need to grind in any game.

Until you're trying to make a team for battling or you're going back to an earlier route with something rare and need to get it up to speed quickly to match the rest of your team.
What? You don't think they'll have something to replace EVs?

More importantly, YOU DON'T NEED REPELS TO MAKE DUNGEONS MORE BAREABLE AGAIN. This mechanic is from the stone age. Even Serebii is defending this to my surprise.
 

TreeMePls

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Are we sure that Mew will it only be available this way? Are we really sure there won't be other ways to get it without having to expend money? If it really there isn't, then GF deserves all backlash possible until the revert this.
They mentioned that the only way to get Mew is through the pokeball. You can't even transfer over the one from Go,

Also, are we really sure that we won't see any other gen Pokémon eventually? I find unlikely that Let'Go won't interact, at some extend, with the gen 8 games at all. So I think the 656 Pkmn data will be in the game and may become available later events or maybe even postgame content, notthat different from how FireRed/Leaf Green allowed Gen 2 and Gen 3.
They said its the original 151 + 1 new one only(which is most likely a gen 8 mythical). Other gens are SOL
 

Serebii

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See this is the thing people forget. Battling wild Pokémon introduces players to the battle system in a way that's not going to cause issues. Without it, we're just going to have half a dozen battles in a route if we're lucky and it doesn't give newer players a decent glimpse of the system. We can only hope that Game Freak realised this and adjusted things accordingly to help properly ease new players in
 

Sou Da

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What? You don't think they'll have something to replace EVs?

More importantly, YOU DON'T NEED REPELS TO MAKE DUNGEONS MORE BAREABLE AGAIN. This mechanic is from the stone age. Even Serebii is defending this to my surprise.
Please fucking stop conflating wild battles with random encounters, context isn't a hard thing to grasp.
 

Serebii

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What? You don't think they'll have something to replace EVs?

You use Candy to boost a Pokémon's stat. You get it by mass catching and releasing Pokémon

More importantly, YOU DON'T NEED REPELS TO MAKE DUNGEONS MORE BAREABLE AGAIN. This mechanic is from the stone age. Even Serebii is defending this to my surprise.
Hey, I love the Pokémon being out on the field. It's a nice compromise and modernisation of wild encounters, though I think the Pokémon may be more adversarial than people think. They're clearly going to run at you.

I'm complaining about the removal of wild battles, not the removal of random encounters.
 

Firemind

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I'm not even talking about EVs, just straight up EXP.
Then go and catch stuff. What's the difference?

See this is the thing people forget. Battling wild Pokémon introduces players to the battle system in a way that's not going to cause issues. Without it, we're just going to have half a dozen battles in a route if we're lucky and it doesn't give newer players a decent glimpse of the system. We can only hope that Game Freak realised this and adjusted things accordingly to help properly ease new players in
What issues? You think people can't learn how to battle from random trainers you meet? It's not rocket science.
 
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See this is the thing people forget. Battling wild Pokémon introduces players to the battle system in a way that's not going to cause issues. Without it, we're just going to have half a dozen battles in a route if we're lucky and it doesn't give newer players a decent glimpse of the system. We can only hope that Game Freak realised this and adjusted things accordingly to help properly ease new players in

Yeah, unless they're significantly upping the number of trainer battles or the number of pokemon each trainer has (it seems they're doing neither) that's going to be a massive reduction in the number of battles a player will have available and they're going to lose a lot of practice at actually learning the battle system. We don't even know if you can rebattle trainers and if they're teams will remain static or get stronger
 

Metal B

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I give it 3 routes before you're sick of it.

Also I don't think it's "faster".

Time taken to press Y & then A to throw a ball: 1 second, if that.
Time taken to do the berry, wait for the right timing/positioning: 5+ seconds
I didn't say, that i find he Pokemon GO mechanic to be the best solution. The discussion was about battling one Pokemon to catch them, grind for Exp or pace out the game is all not very interesting.
 

Kanhir

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I mean they used Google Translate for the translation...

Actually, they google translated the Spanish site which google translated it from English on Nintendo Everything which translated it from Japanese.

Also do note the interview was held on the day of reveal so this isn't a response to backlash

Has someone a link to the original Japanese article? I don't mind translating the relevant parts if someone hasn't already.