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Pokemon Co. says "There is no way we will stray from basic elements" with Pokemon Let's Go
- Thread starter Mcjmetroid
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Damn it I was literally about to post this. Yeah, I can confirm this. Literal translation would be something like:
"It is impossible for us to miss our footing on the fundamental parts of the games", please believe that.
One rewrite of a google translation is usually bad enough. This is what, three layers of that? You're going to lose any nuance beyond "The water is blue" by that point tbh
Yeah, you really are funny with your toxicity in your blatant attempts to paint anyone who has problems with this game as salty.
For comparison.
Top Left is the exact same trainer in FR/LG
I am really hoping that's just for the demo and not for the main game itself.
This pretty much, Pokémon Go is 100% luck base, there is zero skill involved in catching Pokémon.
I remember that trainer well because that's how I learnt about sand attack as he would keep spamming it, I still managed to beat him and took on Brock. In fact the battle with Brock taught me that using moves like Growl and Leer was you get around his Pokémon defense
With the new style, Kids aren't learning anything other than how type effectiveness is all you need but that isn't going to get them far as good luck trying to defeat Misty's Starmie with Pikachu pitiful defense.
They aren't trying something new though, they are diving deep into the nostalgia pandering by blocking off the post gen 1 Pokémon including new evolution something that they have done before.
Why is that Alolan form are allowed into the game but Onix isn't allowed to reach his full potential and evolve into a Steelix, have you seen Onix's stats? It fucking sucks whereas Steelix is miles better both in stats and type wise and this is shared with many others Pokémon.
There is zero reason to block them off other than nostalgia pandering that Game Freak seem to love dishing out but failing to understand that it annoys the fan base.
Insert comment about how Game Freak said it isn't a spin off despite that it totally is and they only saying it isn't for marketing reason.
They already have though, so that statement is already false.
Ha ha.
This game is a pretty obvious big business decision. They want the money from the go crowd and want to try and ease them into the main games. Nothing about this game I have seen has any of the love and care they put in the other titles outside of the starter pokemon gimmicks. A game from their own series shouldn't give the feeling of some wack fan made game. I don't care if the game is for me or not I just want the game to not be some filler content with a crap ton of stuff removed that will just shock people that jump into gen 8 from that.
People acting like LGEP are for kids and thus justifies its design elements, are being willfully ignorant to the history of the series as a whole. Pokemon has always been for children. Children grew up playing RBY, GSC, RSE, DPPt and so on. Hell, the point of linearizing Gen V was a direct response to criticism that children found traversing through Sinnoh very confusing and difficult (and even then, compared to the later Gens, V had a fantastic story to make up for the gimped exploration). The point isn't about whether it's for kids or not because duh Pokemon is for kids, the point is about designing a game that doesn't insult the player's intellect. Look at Nintendo, they have BOTW and Odyssey which are popular with young kids and yet they don't handhold you as if you're an idiot. That's the point: design a game with an all-ages approach, friendly for kids but also has challenges for the veterans that want to get more out of the game. Pokemon in comparison has been trending backwards.
The other element is that people keep spewing "it's for kids11!1!1!" as if it's a legitimate counterargument. It's absolutely not. There are ways you can meet all demographics without overwhelmingly pandering to one of them. I'm surprised that people ITT refuse to notice the nuance and reduce arguments down to "lololol it's not for you deal with it!!1!1!1"
The other element is that people keep spewing "it's for kids11!1!1!" as if it's a legitimate counterargument. It's absolutely not. There are ways you can meet all demographics without overwhelmingly pandering to one of them. I'm surprised that people ITT refuse to notice the nuance and reduce arguments down to "lololol it's not for you deal with it!!1!1!1"
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As long as Game Freak says that this game is "for everyone" and time and time again state that they expect all Pokémon fans playing it we have the right to criticise it since we're the target audience (actual or not) in their PR blurbs and damage control statements. If you don't want to read negative opinions about it because it hurts your feelings as you're emotionally invested in it you're free to go open a private subreddit or IRC channel to discuss it free of "toxicity".
This is a pretty apt analogy, actually.
Previous Pokemon RPGs:
Not too many toppings, nothing super weird or hard to understand, and a wide appeal enough appeal for most people to enjoy.
Pokemon Let's Go:
The above, brought down to its barest essentials with most of the toppings and extras removed. Easy to understand, and some people may genuinely prefer it. But it's awfully boring and bland for most people, even for someone who's never had a burger.
This site kills me lol
Not everyone, just the people who say game freak are lazy devs, that the games shouldn't be different because they said it's for everyone, that the game design is shit, and all the other ridiculous comments that ignore all context and reason and cross over into crazy fanbase territory
Every game is a business decision, and youre entitled to whatever opinion you want on how the game looks. I see a lot of love. I've played and enjoyed every generation to varying degrees since the beginning, and I see plenty of good things in this game. To each their own.
I'm cognissant enough to know that my tastes are not definitive and that the game isn't directly aimed at me as an audience. It's going to be different, and a lot of ways it'll be different are going to be dumbing down/simplifying things.
Why does gamefreak hate difficulty settings? Are they afraid kids will be so dumb they will accidenly choose the harder versions?
I would never call Game Freak lazy, or that they're not allowed to try something different.
But many of the design decisions going into this game are completely baffling, even in the context of trying to appeal to people who have never played a proper Pokemon.
Sure, thats fair. I personally don't really think they are baffling , unless I think from the lens of a dedicated fan, and am excited to try it out. It could work out or not, who knows. Depends largely on what kind of repeatable battles there are to have in the game IMO
The only way that I'll defend Let's Go and praise it is if Game Freak promises me that they'll make a Let's Go game based in Johto.
I want my Gen 2 pandering dang it!
I want my Gen 2 pandering dang it!
How is someone that's saying LGPE is for kids being willfully ignorant when the statement exists because of knowledge that Game Freak gave us? About their own intentions? If you want to boil and reduce all of these discussions to oblivion you can, and I could just as easily do it for your side of the argument, but the fact of the matter is that these titles are aimed at a younger more casual audience and your disagreement with that on a personal preference or game design philosophy level is not "the point" you think it is. Criticizing the game is totally valid. Making claims that Game Freak is lying, or saying the game is for everyone means it won't be affected by their clearly stated new target demographic , is another. When someone pointing to that out as wrong, and provides proof, I think it's a little more than just telling you it's not for you and deal with it, it's an actual educational fact. If you don't account for these games being different than usual, and them doing things that they think will appeal to a younger audience (whether you think those things are dumb OR NOT), then you are the one being wilfully ignorant, aren't you?
Also holy shit at the lack of good faith in these arguments.
**Anyone doing X is just Y and they are ignorant and just love arguing, and pervert the narrative, fucking defense force!**
Stick to the topic or don't argue sheesh
If you presume no good faith on the part of anyone who challenges your point of view then why should anyone assume you are arguing in good faith yourself?
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Fans in 2017: I'm excited for Pokemon but it better get with the times coz I'm sick and tired of the same old thing mawma
Nintendo in 2018: Here's a Pokemon game with some changes
Fans in 2018: Why did you change it
Nintendo in 2019: Fine, here's a Pokemon game without the changes
Fans in 2019: I'm bored of the same old thing tho
As an avid Pokemon player the thing that excites me most about this is the Go inspiration. A lot of us are over wild Pokemon battles, sorry. The only thing that's kinda deflating about this game so far is the barebones presentation and the worry that it might be too easy, but the Go catching? Sounds super fun honestly.
Nintendo in 2018: Here's a Pokemon game with some changes
Fans in 2018: Why did you change it
Nintendo in 2019: Fine, here's a Pokemon game without the changes
Fans in 2019: I'm bored of the same old thing tho
As an avid Pokemon player the thing that excites me most about this is the Go inspiration. A lot of us are over wild Pokemon battles, sorry. The only thing that's kinda deflating about this game so far is the barebones presentation and the worry that it might be too easy, but the Go catching? Sounds super fun honestly.
I made the mistake of voicing my opinion on the Switch subreddit for this same topic. Never again. Im apparently not allowed to have an opinion due to not being a game developer with a million dollar franchise.
It baffles me personally that people are saying that Wild Pokemon battles should be a thing of the past.
Considering the demo gives you 999 pokeballs that is a safe assumption
I want battles with wild pokemon to return in gen 8
What I want from lets go to be carried over is that battles aren't random. You can see the pokemon on the map and fight the ones you want.
I don't see why they can't give an option between battling and catching considering trainer battles are still in the game. I'm not interested in playing a minigame everytime to gain EXP even if I do think it looks fun.
It's in the goddamn trailers too, the game is going to be much much easier. Accept it.
I learned my lesson in the past months.
Every damn Pokemon thread I have been in is so toxic, salty.
You can't have a question/opinion without someone jumping down your throat. There is even a derogatory term to refer to the 1st gen. They might say it is not but the use it in that way.
I myself hope the game is fun. My only real concern was that it would be on the short side but doesn't seem like it.
This looks like any pokemon game except you can see the pokemon walking around in the grass instead of being invisible.
It has always looked like that from day 1. Don't know where all the conspiracy theories about having to catch them on your phone or w/e comes from.
It's ****king pokemon without random encounters. That's it. We've seen this in the past with other series like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy - you can see the enemies before the encounter triggers. It's not anything new or groundbreaking, no conspiracy, no outrage. Jesus.
It has always looked like that from day 1. Don't know where all the conspiracy theories about having to catch them on your phone or w/e comes from.
It's ****king pokemon without random encounters. That's it. We've seen this in the past with other series like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy - you can see the enemies before the encounter triggers. It's not anything new or groundbreaking, no conspiracy, no outrage. Jesus.
Presumably because of the way it changes items. Pokeballs weren't very common in the early game of RBY just because money was limited and there were only so many in the overworld. With the way it works in Let's Go, certain berries have completely different functions now and Pokeballs will have to be more common just because otherwise you've got no way to level up or modify stats. You'd have to balance two different games to include both, at least in the current form they're doing the Go-style catching.
I guess a lot of people dont like the Pokemon games because of the battle system and just like the Pokemon designs/story so less battles is a good thing for them.
As someone who plays pokemon BECAUSE I love the battle systems, replacing battles with motion control minigames sounds terrible.
In regards to how difficult Pokemon battles were back then right?
Cause I just barely noticed the difference in difficulty when I played Pokemon Red on the 3DS a couple of months ago. It's actually pretty crazy.
A casual version of a casual game. It wouldn't be that big of a deal if GameFreak admitted this was a spin off. For me personally, it is just a manifestation of things I've disliked about Pokemon these past few gens. It's also been a rather dry year for Switch owners
I mean....no? There are no random encounters because there is no battling wild pokemon. That's kind of a big change.
Yeah, well shit maybe I just suck. That level 16* Raticate rekts me
It's honestly more annoying that difficult. With moves like Wrap and the lack of good movesets being the biggest hurdles that I'm glad they changed.
The term isn't to refer to the 1st gen itselt. It's used to refer to people who only care about the first gen. This isn't a new term either it's been around for a long long time.
and you don't fight the wild Pokemon, instead just flinging Poke Balls at them like in Pokemon Go.
and you're meant to catch a bunch of dupes to power up your Pokemon with candy, just like in Pokemon Go
but, yeah, other than those three changes, the core concepts seem like they're intact. The emphasis is on hunting for Pokemon in the wild instead of fighting wild Pokemon, but it's not like they've done away with battles or completely changed the battle mechanics.
Man. They took out random encounters (probably forever I'd say), and streamlined the capturing of wild pokemon. Pretty much everything else is the same. I get people being disappointed by the simple graphics and the fact it's a remake, but where is this Pokemon for babbies coming from. If people expect 2019 to be super different, they're probably setting themselves up for even more disappointment.
I LOVE the Pokemon designs and I actually freaking love the stories too. It's why I was a big fan of Gen 7's story elements.
But battling to catch them all isn't just a core element, it's practically one of the pillars of the Pokemon games for me! I just couldn't imagine even the thought of wiping away wild battles. It's part of the fun of exploring the world in the games for me.
I would love it if Pokemon went even further into stories, but never at the cost of streamlining how we capture Pokemon.
Its not Pokemon without random encounters, it's Pokemon without battling wild Pokemon in any way.
People complained when FF took exploration and towns, they complained when they took espionage in Metal Gear in favor of Zombies and I sure as hell will complain about Pokemon not having battles against wild Pokemon
People for some reason think that all the changes in Let's Go will leak into Gen 8. Even though Game Freak said themselves that it won't.
No I mean I totally agree with you. I just never noticed until I decided to replay Red and Blue after going through Sun and Moon. Huge difference there. I was freaking struggling at times and it bothered me lol.
Yeah I'm definitely happy that they changed some things there. It was annoyingly difficult lol.
I'm especially glad that they changed the bag limit and automatically made it so that if a box was full, the captured Pokemon would be moved to the next one.
RBY weren't hard either. Bulbasaur obliterated Brock and Misty, Diglett (caught right outside the gym) wiped the floor with Surge. Any of the basic birds utterly steamrolled Erika. Catch an Abra outside Cerulean and you were basically set for the entire game as Kadbra (let alone Alakazam) could one hit KO almost anything else. The only tricky gym leader was Sabrina due to Psychic types being broken and having no realistic counter - so you just needed to get something fast and hammer them before they could hit you.... which still wasn't hard.
Sure they added features which made the game more accessible, but let's not pretend RBY had a wildly different difficulty curve.
The simple fact is, LGPE are being ragged on because that's what the cool internet hardcore have decided. They are also now saying that Gen 8 will be faceroll too, even though GF said it will be a more traditional, hardcore experience. Hopefully now they will all bog off and stop infecting every single LGPE thread with their irritating whining. You don't like LGPE? Fine. No problem. Don't buy it. Wait for Gen 8. Worried Gen 8 will suck because of arbitrary, pessimistic and cynical reasons? Fine, don't buy that either. Don't buy any Pokemon game ever again.
The combat would naturally shift to areas though, they're not getting rid of it.
There will still be dungeons where there's tons of enemy trainers and non-wild pokemon defending it, and you'll still have to fight. They will also probably increase the rate of trainers in the overworld for gameplay's sake... because the game is based on turn based battles, they're not going to have you just walking around a battle-less overworld.