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Gradon

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,465
UK
Lol i recently discoverTed Kiwi Farms. They're a bunch of cunts. They have a megathread on resetera where they whine about this site's moderation and our 1984 sjw librul agenda. Its kind of like 4chan except less original. Which is saying a lot cuz 4chan's OC output has gone way down.

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They literally couldn't be any more pathetic, and disgusting. They'll relish in this fact though because they're edgelords and think indirect murder / a tragedy is hilarious.

I'm literally so upset about this news. Tragic in all accounts. She felt like she had no other way out. RIP Chloe. :(
 

Deleted member 4413

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,238
Everyone on kiwi farms should be charged as an accessory to murder and get the harshest penalties available for such a crime.
 
Mar 8, 2018
4
Sure, but the harassment is at least a contributing factor, with a history of fucking with people's lives and remaining evidence that we can actually identify and discuss without hypothesising about the stuff we'll never know that was going through her head. The harassers will do it again and again with no restraint or fear of consequences, whereas people like Chloe don't get another chance. That's why the harassers are firmly in the 'at fault' camp. It's just a matter of time before they start pushing someone else who is already dealing with a complex set of mental health issues, if they aren't doing so already.


I did say those things may have put her over the edge... so while you say its a contributing factor, I already said its a contributing factor, just in different words

lots of people face harassment, men women, children, black white, gay straight... most of them don't kill themselves... and those that do don't set themselves on fire.
 

Tetrinski

Banned
May 17, 2018
2,915
I did say those things may have put her over the edge... so while you say its a contributing factor, I already said its a contributing factor, just in different words

lots of people face harassment, men women, children, black white, gay straight... most of them don't kill themselves... and those that do don't set themselves on fire.
She talked on Facebook about her suicidal thoughts a few times over the last month. They massively reported her every time to get it taken down. That happened after years of harassment. It´s hard to look at it without finding KF being directly responsible.

Yes, perhaps a person without mental health problems wouldn´t have committed suicide. But also yes, it´s hard to imagine those problems didn´t get much worse after a nightmare of targeted harassment and also yes, it´s hard to imagine someone not developing problems after such experience even if they were healthy before. I am unfamiliar with the US legislation, but in many countries, these people would be prosecuted.
 

Redcrayon

Patient hunter
On Break
Oct 27, 2017
12,713
UK
I did say those things may have put her over the edge... so while you say its a contributing factor, I already said its a contributing factor, just in different words

lots of people face harassment, men women, children, black white, gay straight... most of them don't kill themselves... and those that do don't set themselves on fire.
My point is that the focus on the harassers, rather than whatever else was going on, is because it's an identifiable malign element we've seen before, will see again, the evidence of it still exists and it's just a matter of time before they do it again. Online harassment is a regular recurring general topic here and provides something we can see and discuss, whereas few of us know enough to be focusing on the mental health issues of the deceased. That doesn't mean that other aspects weren't important, I just wouldn't even know where to start discussing them when the people that know enough to do so confidently and with tact can probably do so without my armchair analysis.
 
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Mar 8, 2018
4
User Banned (Permanent): Downplaying harassment, victim blaming, account still in junior phase.
She talked on Facebook about her suicidal thoughts a few times over the last month. They massively reported her every time to get it taken down. That happened after years of harassment. It´s hard to look at it without finding KF being directly responsible.

Yes, perhaps a person without mental health problems wouldn´t have committed suicide. But also yes, it´s hard to imagine those problems didn´t get much worse after a nightmare of targeted harassment and also yes, it´s hard to imagine someone not developing problems after such experience even if they were healthy before. I am unfamiliar with the US legislation, but in many countries, these people would be prosecuted.


well to begin with, trans people are about 40% higher than non trans people to attempt suicide, and they have higher rates of depression, and anxiety. even after transition the rates don't go down significantly.

once again, yes the harassment probably factored in... but to put the blame only on them is wrong, she lit the match.
 

Elios83

Member
Oct 28, 2017
976
I'm really sorry to read this horrible story.
These scums who waste their lives bullying people should be tracked down and pay for it.
At the same time though it would be fool to hide the fact that this person had serious mental health issues due to depression and his identity disorder.
Those were the main drivers behind what she did so the saddest thing is that she couldn't find the help she needed.
 

Tetrinski

Banned
May 17, 2018
2,915
well to begin with, trans people are about 40% higher than non trans people to attempt suicide, and they have higher rates of depression, and anxiety. even after transition the rates don't go down significantly.

once again, yes the harassment probably factored in... but to put the blame only on them is wrong, she lit the match.
Read their forums. She was harassed due to her gender identity. There is a reason why transgender people commit more suicides; that reason doesn´t come from within them, it comes from those who are around, and it gets greatly amplified if someone becomes the target of massive harassment.

If you disconnect those higher suicide rates from their causes, you are committing a fallacy.
 

Redcrayon

Patient hunter
On Break
Oct 27, 2017
12,713
UK
I'm really sorry to read this horrible story.
These scums who waste their lives bullying people should be tracked down and pay for it.
At the same time though it would be fool to hide the fact that this person had serious mental health issues due to depression and his identity disorder.
Those were the main drivers behind what she did so the saddest thing is that she couldn't find the help she needed.
True. It does make me wonder though, when harassment is specifically aimed at people that could be identified as more vulnerable to such issues, and it includes actively organising to attempt to silence their crys for help and enable their suicide because they are more likely to suffer, whether that has gone way beyond just 'harassment' or 'bullying' at that point. I don't know what the right term would be on a scale of abuse, but the organised hounding of those with mental health problems towards suicide just doesn't seem like something an aggressor should be able to step away from scot-free and (hypothetically) say 'I only harassed and encouraged her to do it, but she killed herself'. I'm just thinking out loud here, not disagreeing with you.
 
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Tetrinski

Banned
May 17, 2018
2,915
True. It does make me wonder though, when harassment is specifically aimed at people that could be identified as more vulnerable to such issues, and it includes actively organising to attempt to silence their crys for help and enable their suicide because they are more likely to suffer, whether that has gone way beyond just 'harassment' or 'bullying' at that point. I don't know what the right term would be on a scale of abuse, but the organised hounding of those with mental health problems towards suicide just doesn't seem like something an aggressor should be able to step away from scot-free and (hypothetically) say 'I only harassed and encouraged her to do it, but she killed herself'. I'm just thinking out loud here, not disagreeing with you.
You are totally right, what they did is punishable in many countries. Spain, for instance, has a crime called "incitement to suicide" as well as "denial of help". Basically, if you harass a person, you are responsible for that harassment. But if the target of your harassment commits suicide, you are also responsible for that. Whether that responsibility is complete or partial is up to the jury, but in both cases you are going away for a while. If it gets confirmed that they organized to report her calls for help on Facebook, they could be charged with denial of help, which is a felony too. All of that on top of the continued and organized harassment, of course.

What I mean is that what they did is clearly seen as a serious crime in many parts of the modern world. I hope there is something in the US legislation that allows these people to be properly investigated and prosecuted, I wouldn´t like to hear that they sleep well at night just because they had good luck being born on a place with laws that benefit their despicable actions.
 

Just_a_Mouse

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,030
These stalker websites are pure evil, and Kiwifarms is the worst of them all. Just a brief look was enough to make me still feeling physically ill hours later. Shut it down and arrest them all.

I have been crying my eyes out thinking about what happened to Chloe. RIP.
 

PopsMaellard

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
3,359
Literal evil. This is so fucking heartbreaking.

I was in the area when this happened but had no idea what the responders were there for. Fuck.
 

Redcrayon

Patient hunter
On Break
Oct 27, 2017
12,713
UK
You are totally right, what they did is punishable in many countries. Spain, for instance, has a crime called "incitement to suicide" as well as "denial of help". Basically, if you harass a person, you are responsible for that harassment. But if the target of your harassment commits suicide, you are also responsible for that. Whether that responsibility is complete or partial is up to the jury, but in both cases you are going away for a while. If it gets confirmed that they organized to report her calls for help on Facebook, they could be charged with denial of help, which is a felony too. All of that on top of the continued and organized harassment, of course.

What I mean is that what they did is clearly seen as a serious crime in many parts of the modern world. I hope there is something in the US legislation that allows these people to be properly investigated and prosecuted, I wouldn´t like to hear that they sleep well at night just because they had good luck being born on a place with laws that benefit their despicable actions.
Interesting stuff, thanks for the reply.
 

Dictator

Digital Foundry
Verified
Oct 26, 2017
4,930
Berlin, 'SCHLAND
This is so incredibly disturbing. THe method, the history, the groups of people clamouring on the internet to make some woman's day worse for no reason.
Really, just horrible stuff :(
 

Platy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,644
Brazil
Lol i recently discovered Kiwi Farms. They're a bunch of cunts. They have a megathread on resetera where they whine about this site's moderation and our 1984 sjw librul agenda. Its kind of like 4chan except less original. Which is saying a lot cuz 4chan's OC output has gone way down.

I know my reaction should have been the oposite, since i fit lots of their basics for being a harassment target, but everytime I read something like the bolded i feel like a superstar xD
Like there are so many forums dedicated to watching us that we are basically tv stars ;D
Lets make a ResetEraCon and give a panel about our 1984 sjw librul agenda and give autographs

...does that make us talking about them some kind of 4th wall break? =O
So meta
 

Kain-Nosgoth

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,539
Switzerland
fucking hell, dying by fire must be the most horrible death possible! To inflict yourself something like that.... i can't imagine what she was going through

RIP, shame that she didn't get help sooner, one way or another, and fuck those guys who harrassed her