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Polaroid_64

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,920
"Can't we all be friends while we let kids rot away in prison?"

How about hell no. Go hug a Trump supporter while he aims a gun at someone else.


MODERATE LOGIC.
 

Greg NYC3

Member
Oct 26, 2017
12,494
Miami
And in the end, what's the difference between a person working diligently to put infants in internment camps away from their parents and a person "we don't like?"
I'm at the point where I'm just assuming that people are trolling. There's no way that any reasonable person doesn't see the not at all subtle difference between SHS and the people she helps to victimize on a daily basis.
 

pigeon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,447
Here's a little more context on rambis's post (thread, I'll quote only the first three tweets):



2. If you think child-theft and child-caging are within the pale of democratic society, something to be politely debated, then of course civility demands you serve her.
3. But if you think they are beyond the pale, you are morally obliged to enact that belief. You must prevent Trump and his minions, from top to bottom, from engaging with polite society.

This is basically the argument here, not explicitly stated. Is SHS just a Republican doing a difficult job, or is she a quisling complicit in the committing of atrocities? If you don't think the kids in camps are particularly atrocious, then it's the former. Arguments for the former are inherently arguments for normalizing those camps.
 

Convasse

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,818
Atlanta, GA, USA
Revenge would be sending their kids to prison, and doing every single racist thing to them as they are doing to large swaths of the population. All that was done was simply social shunning and its a powerful tool in reigning in peoples absolutely awful behavior.



This happened to joe biden in 2012. The GOP applauded it and held a fundraiser. You all are so quick to defend these bullies every single time people fight back. it honestly feels like you are just gaslighting people.

the article:https://www.roanoke.com/webmin/news...cle_806b06ac-b68b-58ca-be58-5a46a0461bb5.html

please cut the crap. Its time people stood up to their bullshit with civil disobedience.
Looks like Rambis doesn't have the fortitude to respond, but thank you for this information. I had no idea it even happened.
 

ShyMel

Moderator
Oct 31, 2017
3,483
Do you not see how far this game can easily go? How long before the right gets the idea that they can in turn politely ask black or brown people to leave their establishments and it gets protected by precedent?
Sanders was not asked to leave because of her race. Race is a protected class and there are laws making it and other class (religion, sex, disability) based discrimination illegal. Also businesses have already be shown to discriminate against minority customers so there is no game here.
 

skillzilla81

Self-requested temporary ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,043
Do you not see how far this game can easily go? How long before the right gets the idea that they can in turn politely ask black or brown people to leave their establishments and it gets protected by precedent?

Do you not see the difference between denying service because of something somebody has demonstrably done and denying service because of skin color?
 

NinjaScooter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
54,161
**whispers**guys, GUYS! Don't you see where this could lead? If we deny Sarah Sanders' a meal at a restaurant because she's a horrible human being, republicans and Trump supporters might turn racist!"
 

Mona

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
26,151
Nobody in the media is going to cheer for this. Let's be realistic. They don't have to condemn it though.

its pretty obvious why they would want to dissuade a person from kicking someone out who they saw on television saying something they didn't like, im sure countless americans take issue with just hearing the basic news every day. "Why is anderson cooper still talking about russian collusion!!??"

we might think theres a difference between what Sarah and Anderson are doing, but i guarantee you theres tons of americans who do not, and also tons of americans who think Sarah is the real news and Anderson is just a lying lib
 

Downhome

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,356
I'm utterly stunned that people are celebrating this, and going a step further to say that it should happen more and more. This is not a road to go down no matter what your personal politics, personal views, and so on stand.
 
Oct 25, 2017
41,368
Miami, FL
do you think there are a substantial amount of Center-Right Republicans in America to take the party back from the clutches of the right-wing nutjobs who run it now?
that would require acknowledgement of a mistake being made. It would need introspection, retrospection, and accepting of blame.

none of those are things Republicans have ever been good at.
 

platocplx

2020 Member Elect
Member
Oct 30, 2017
36,072
Looks like Rambis doesn't have the fortitude to respond, but thank you for this information. I had no idea it even happened.
even in that same article they mention that douchebag joe the plumber. like come on. sick of the disingenuous banter on this.

Here's a little more context on rambis's post (thread, I'll quote only the first three tweets):





This is basically the argument here, not explicitly stated. Is SHS just a Republican doing a difficult job, or is she a quisling complicit in the committing of atrocities? If you don't think the kids in camps are particularly atrocious, then it's the former. Arguments for the former are inherently arguments for normalizing those camps.

This is exactly it. There are people on this board who think the shit sarah sanders and the trump admin does is just a simple political disagreement. this is exactly why they get so taken aback at people actually saying no. This is not right and I refuse to let this be a political debate its simply morally wrong and you dont get to be treated nicely in society when you are acting like this.
 

pigeon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,447
I'm utterly stunned that people are celebrating this, and going a step further to say that it should happen more and more. This is not a road to go down no matter what your personal politics, personal views, and so on stand.

I totally agree.

Oh, wait, you didn't mean the children internment camps, you meant people protesting Sarah Sanders.
 

Speevy

Member
Oct 26, 2017
19,352
The only downside to this I could see is that it could potentially backfire politically.

Otherwise yes, do it, again and again.
 

platocplx

2020 Member Elect
Member
Oct 30, 2017
36,072
I'm utterly stunned that people are celebrating this, and going a step further to say that it should happen more and more. This is not a road to go down no matter what your personal politics, personal views, and so on stand.
lmao. I truly wonder what it would take for someone like you to actually take a stand. because clearly children being locked up in cages isnt enough, children being shot in school isnt enough so what is? Does it have to directly have a impact on your livelihood for you to say that this form of civil disobedience isnt effective it stopping tyrants.
 

Book One

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,821
"Please understand that a lot of what the right does, and it's maybe their greatest genius, is they've created a code of conduct that they police, that they themselves don't have to, in any way, abide"
 

Gaia Lanzer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,671
So do you want things to actually get better or are you just out for revenge? Because those are two completely different things with drastically different outcomes.
Okay, Rambis, you've convinced me. Fellow PoC, Liberals, Democrats, stand down! Stand down because the only way we will win is if we continue to get fucked over and take it with a smile. Get fucked over and over and maybe they'll see us as equals, let us into that country clubs, and such... y'know, like THEY'VE told us all our lives, all our parents' lives, all their parents' lives and their parents before them, because the sacrifice of our lives and pride is worth it to make White America feel "safe" and comfortable. Our innocent blood (our innocent people killed out in the streets), our humiliation and pain will all be rewarded... someday...
 
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rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,404
Phoenix
lmao. I truly wonder what it would take for someone like you to actually take a stand. because clearly children being locked up in cages isnt enough, children being shot in school isnt enough so what is? Does it have to directly have a impact on your livelihood for you to say that this form of civil disobedience isnt effective it stopping tyrants.
I'm pretty sure there is nothing Trump could do that would have people like this take a stand. Even if by some miracle they turned on Trump, they would twist it into a "Trump only" problem and go right back to shaming liberals.

What's really happening here is they can relate to the White lady and they don't like that she's being made uncomfortable. Their feelings extend to her, but they cannot be found towards actual atrocities because the skin color of those it's happening to is not their own.

America has an empathy problem. We've been taught it's ok not to give a shit about nobody but you and your own, and Fuck society.
 

Greg NYC3

Member
Oct 26, 2017
12,494
Miami
This is exactly it. There are people on this board who think the shit sarah sanders and the trump admin does is just a simple political disagreement. this is exactly why they get so taken aback at people actually saying no. This is not right and I refuse to let this be a political debate its simply morally wrong and you dont get to be treated nicely in society when you are acting like this.
While it seems to happen less now we've had posters trying to argue that racism/bigotry/white supremacy/Nazism are just political opinions that should be allowed debate as well. I wish I knew how so many amongst us got this fucked in the head so fast.
 

Starmud

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,443
these same dems always handwring and decry the republicans, they have been for nearly two decades. This is why many of them need to go and make way for new people. They've been wishy washy for decades and in the mean time let progressive ideas die.

They've made the party look weak and soulless while the republicans have taken us down a hell path largely unscathed; and now while many of them retire, were left with their ultimate creation in trumpism.
 

rambis

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,790
User banned (2 Weeks): concern trolling, falsely equating political discrimination to racial discrimination. Ban extended after review.
There are lots and lots of places in the country that I know not to go for my own safety, but good for you for imagining that racism is over in America
This is the stupid shit that irks me. No relevant argument so you opt to twist words. No better than Trump but will post paragraphs about how their beliefs justify it.

Here's a little more context on rambis's post (thread, I'll quote only the first three tweets):





This is basically the argument here, not explicitly stated. Is SHS just a Republican doing a difficult job, or is she a quisling complicit in the committing of atrocities? If you don't think the kids in camps are particularly atrocious, then it's the former. Arguments for the former are inherently arguments for normalizing those camps.

Again with this stupid shit. I don't have to read someone's tweet or opinion to have one of my own.

I think we can resist people like SHS and Trump without stooping to blanket denial of service that only serve to make them the victims. And I'm pretty sure that most people can understand that yet suspension of belief and logic seems to be the champion of today's movements.
 

GrooveCommand

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,340
Do you not see how far this game can easily go? How long before the right gets the idea that they can in turn politely ask black or brown people to leave their establishments and it gets protected by precedent?

The difference here though is that's race-based discrimination which is illegal. As far as I know there's no federal law against political discrimination so what was done to Sarah Sanders was lawful.
 

NinjaScooter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
54,161
All of these shitty moderate arguments basically amount to "Don't make Trumpers mad!". You guys sound like you are living in that fucking episode of the Twilight Zone

goodlife.jpg

"Sure was swell of you to put those kids in internment camps away from their parents, Billy. That was a good thing you did."
 

McMahon

Banned
May 24, 2018
1,603
Los Angeles
lmao. I truly wonder what it would take for someone like you to actually take a stand. because clearly children being locked up in cages isnt enough, children being shot in school isnt enough so what is? Does it have to directly have a impact on your livelihood for you to say that this form of civil disobedience isnt effective it stopping tyrants.
seeing as they support Trump you'll be waiting awhile.
 

platocplx

2020 Member Elect
Member
Oct 30, 2017
36,072
I'm pretty sure there is nothing Trump could do that would have people like this take a stand. Even if by some miracle they turned on Trump, they would twist it into a "Trump only" problem and go right back to shaming liberals.
Yep.

While it seems to happen less now we've had posters trying to argue that racism/bigotry/white supremacy/Nazism are just political opinions that should be allowed debate as well. I wish I knew how so many amongst us got this fucked in the head so fast.
Yeah its pretty bad, but again ive noticed for a while how disconnected people are with society, and how they have bubbles of privilege where really none of this shit ever affects them right now. so they just finger wag and go about their day.
 

Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric

user requested ban
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
8,958
Can we not just think that we as a nation should be above blanketly denying service to those we don't like? This practice comes from some of our darkest times as a nation and should rightfully stay there. Thing is, a lot of millennials that make up the vocal liberal left have never seen this shit and have zero context.

I think this situation is just as bad as the bakery denying same sex couples service. And we just got precedence to uphold shit like that in the supreme court. Its easy to see where this could go from here. Sanctioned echo chambers may be the hard left or right's wet dream but I doubt our civil rights leaders died for this to happen.


It's not even remotely the same thing and your attempt to compare the two is grossly offensive.

I'm all for civility up to a point but these bigoted, greedy, unconscionable pieces of human excrement are cribbing from an entirely different playbook than we've previously seen and at this juncture, I'm genuinely curious what you think being polite to such inhuman sludge is going to accomplish.

Do you actually operate under the delusion that such people, along with their acolytes, can be reasoned with and changed through civility, logic, and compassion?
 

El Bombastico

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
36,048
This is the stupid shit that irks me. No relevant argument so you opt to twist words. No better than Trump but will post paragraphs about how their beliefs justify it.


Again with this stupid shit. I don't have to read someone's tweet or opinion to have one of my own.

I think we can resist people like SHS and Trump without stooping to blanket denial of service that only serve to make them the victims. And I'm pretty sure that most people can understand that yet suspension of belief and logic seems to be the champion of today's movements.

Quit while you're behind, son.
 

GrooveCommand

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,340
This is the stupid shit that irks me. No relevant argument so you opt to twist words. No better than Trump but will post paragraphs about how their beliefs justify it.


Again with this stupid shit. I don't have to read someone's tweet or opinion to have one of my own.

I think we can resist people like SHS and Trump without stooping to blanket denial of service that only serve to make them the victims. And I'm pretty sure that most people can understand that yet suspension of belief and logic seems to be the champion of today's movements.

Nope, fuck SHS and everything that she stands for. I hope she never gets to eat out at a restaurant again and frankly I have no problem granted all the suffering that she supports and all the lies she has told. She deserves to be treated like an animal.
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
53,050
This is the stupid shit that irks me. No relevant argument so you opt to twist words. No better than Trump but will post paragraphs about how their beliefs justify it.


Again with this stupid shit. I don't have to read someone's tweet or opinion to have one of my own.

I think we can resist people like SHS and Trump without stooping to blanket denial of service that only serve to make them the victims. And I'm pretty sure that most people can understand that yet suspension of belief and logic seems to be the champion of today's movements.
If you can't see why denying supporters of racism, homophobia and child abuse is a good thing then idk wtf to tell you.


These people are actively destroying the country and the lives of people in it. They don't deserve to be treated like everyone else. Because they are not everyone else.



You should be able to spend all day endorsing racism and child abduction and then have a nice steak in peace. Fuck that.