That EO that did nothing to change things for the better and probably made them much worse released the children into the waiting arms of perfect parents riding unicorns back to their castles to live happily ever after.
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Sarah Sanders and Family Reportedly Denied Service at Virginia Restaurant
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Well that, but I also mean the "STOP ALL THE TV PROGRAMS, INTERRUPT EVERYTHING, BREAKING NEWS!!!" press briefings. I don't recall Obama, George W, Clinton, Bush Sr or, what I remember of Reagan, doing THAT to the extent as Trump and his peeps have.
The administration thinks this is going to be a distraction, but it won't be. This issue will haunt Republicans until the midterms. Damage done.
You forgot the part of indefinite detention and how should resources not be available (hint, they aren't), that children will still be separated. The children separation policy is Trump's, the zero tolerance stupidity is the cause. Well that and having jackboot assholes block the legal entry points, but cool.
Republicans started this trend with Obama:
Palin's hit list with targets on Congressional Democrats
Those town halls with paid actors and employees of insurance companies that Republicans used as leverage to obstruct Obamacare.
Trump encouraging violence at rallies,
Trump's pre-election speech that encouraged, allegedly, an armed resistance if he didn't win the election.
A young Republican at a college campus went on a campaign to have a young woman deported to the extent that he stalked her around campus and social media.
You can't have it both ways by harassing people on your side then playing victim when it comes to you. If people don't wake up, America as they know it will end.
Seriously, it feels like things just got brushed under the rug after the EO. The EO definitely made things worse and I wish they spent more time discussing that instead of "civility" and giving these fascists air time.
I really hope so. I can't wait for November.
RAAAATINGS BAAAYBEEEE! The media are partially to blame for us having Trump. They followed him like they were his shadow.
"She also added that she'd like everyone to please remember that separation is for immigrant invader children and their parents, and fags and their sanctity of marriage destroying pastries, not White American women and their chicken platter"
How Obama handled immigrant children and how Trump is, are vastly different. You know this right? Obama rarely separated parents from children. It certainly wasn't his policy to do so.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...bama-administration-separate-families-n884856
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/17488458/obama-immigration-policy-family-separation-border
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
Yes the laws are shit, but, Obama went out of his way to work around laws to avoid separations and he didn't make it a crime worthy of taking kids for just crossing the border illegally.
If we're talking in terms of just child separations, it was almost non-existent under Obama regardless of laws.
I wouldn't have kicked her out, I would have just let her decide if she wanted to make the required $100k donation to RAICES per person at her table to see the menu.
If she didn't want to pay, then she needs to leave.
If she didn't want to pay, then she needs to leave.
I think they gave her far more respect than she deserves. They quietly, and privately let her leave. And yet she still used her official channel to seek revenge. Petty asshole.
Nope. The policy was for unattended children crossing the border. Families were only split up if there was reason to believe the child's safety was in jeopardy (human trafficing, drug smuggling). To conflate the two as remotely comparable is disingenuous, and you will get a lot of (deserved) pushback for it as a result.
check your bank, I think a SOROS check just dropped for that one.
Of course. She felt offended she didn't have the right to eat food contaminated with spit, snot and other bodily fluids.
I mean, you don't need to cook for them. You could just sit them and ignore them until they leave.
That's the problem. My mom rants about the press briefing stuff all the time. She's tells me she hates when she's watching something good, then they interrupt with a press briefing where Trump talks about stuff. She changes the channel (to a cable channel that doesn't get interrupted) because she says she's tired of his ugly face.
The scope and severity are vastly different. And Obama did everything he could to reunite the families in certain cases, but he was unsuccessful because of the Flores agreement. Trump doesn't really seem to care because he only focuses on their legal status.
The logic in this statement doesn't seem genuine. The terms used are very, fake newsy. Everything he could in "certain", but followed by "unsuccessful", no qualifier included.
So you acknowledge it is Trump's policy to do so, and it wasn't Obama's. The person you took issue with originally said it was Trump's policy to separate kids and parents. It indeed is.
The way you use "Flores agreement" here makes me a little wary of your understanding of it.
You understand that the Flores agreement was a consent agreement to limit detentions, right? "Catch and release" specifically refers to the Obama administration decision to release parents being held in detention, and release their children to them, when it was necessary in order to avoid violating the Flores agreement (which blocked them from detaining children separately for longer than 20 days). That was how Obama balanced the two priorities -- by prioritizing the legal responsibilities under Flores and the desire to avoid family separation.
Can you clarify the situations you're thinking of where Obama was unsuccessful at reuniting families due to Flores?
I don't think the logic is wrong, but he seems to be combining logic, and conflating these two situations incorrectly.
There is a vast difference between unaccompanied minors that were detained, and minors that forcibly become unaccompanied minors.
I feel he's trying to make an argument, but not really putting in the actual work to support that argument, which is resulting in creating false equivalencies and conflated procedural processes.
But that's not true.
"Obama took other controversial steps as well, including fighting to block efforts to require unaccompanied children to have legal representation and barring detained mothers with their children from being released on bond.
The administration also deported a teenage mother and her son back to Honduras soon after she attempted suicide at Texas family detention center.
Her lawyer, Bryan Johnson, finds its difficult making comparisons saying they were both tough on enforcement. But he worries comparing what Trump did to Obama makes the crisis today look less significant.
"Obama was bad. ... I think the main difference is scale here with Trump."
While Obama downplayed his enforcement, Trump has embraced and made it a signature issue of his presidency."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-tns-bc-trump-immigration-obama-adv21-20180621-story.html
he said that?
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyit
I still don't understand the greater point you are trying to make here. Are you saying that the reason people would want to ask Sanders to leave a diner is wrong? Because Obama separated parents from kids as well, rarely, while Trump made it a point to do so by criminally charging every single adult that crossed illegally?
I've read that during Obama's tenure, 80% of families remained together and that most of the ones that were separated were due to dangerous situations for the child. No one is saying that the immigration problem was perfect under Obama. What we are saying is that Trump instituted a heartless, and stupid policy of insisting that all people that did not cross the border legally should be charged with a crime regardless if they were seeking asylum or were with young children or other mitigating circumstance. His decision to do this, or should I say Stephen Miller's, was to force the Democrats to give him face saving money for the stupid wall. He cared so little for children that he pushed forward with a policy that would render children detained in cages and kidnapped from their parents so he didn't have to face the wraith of his cult when it is finally announced that the wall will never happen. He and his staff made the decision. They are responsible. Not Obama, not Hillary, no one else. They put toddlers in concentration camps. The audio of the crying girl is anguish caused by Trump's ego.
And this new swing is taking this thread vastly off topic. Sanders is a lying sack of shit and deserved what happened to her.
No shit, they could at least spilled a tray of drinks on her before kicking her out.
I have no issue with Sanders being asked to leave. I just kept seeing folks say that children being separated from their families was a Trump policy. It's a minor bone to pick, but I saw it dozens of times in the thread.
Children being sadistically separated from their families as a deterrent is a Trump policy.
But in this case it is. The specific reason for the separations in question is a change in enforcement from the executive branch.
The fact that the prior admin did separate children doesn't actually mean the means and reasoning for doing so were the same. Your source effectively confirms that.
That's because it is a Trump policy. It's a shame the media are so bad at their jobs that people still don't understand.
who cares about those shitty kids and their bad hombre parents from shithole countries? Sarah just wanted dinner.
F*** being nice. These people are being absolute scum to people less fortunate and are trying to play it as if they are the victim. F***.THAT.S***.
Is it not Trump's policy to criminally charge every single person that crosses the border, first time offense or with children? Was that a policy Obama had?
You're playing semantics. You know what people mean. It is Trump's policy to always and aggressively separate parents and their children. There you go. Added some words you needed I guess.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/
It is Trump policy. There is no law mandating the administration's actions. The policy began in May of this year.
Actually the superdelegates don't vote until the convention
Whenever Trump does some abhorrent shit there's a 100% chances that a sizable portion of people will try to deflect by talking about the Obama administration, mostly because Trump does that exact thing, everytime.
can you explain to us what trump's "zero tolerance" policy entails and how, in order for that directive to be followed, the children of these immigrants have to be handled under the flores agreement?
While children separation existed before as rare occasions (cited as being done in extreme cases such as suspicion of trafficking), the Trump administration absolutely made it a blanket policy to separate children from families to be the rule instead of the exception.
It's crystal clear. There's nothing subjective about the Trump administration starting this policy.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/...ks-discussing-immigration-enforcement-actions
"If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law."
If you believe the false narrative that this policy was carried over from a previous administration, you're receiving your information from the wrong places.
Saw the word "civility" trending on Twitter and thought it was there because of conservatives. Turns out that it's actually liberals mocking the idea of civility given what's going on in the country. It's actually good to see that this might be a turning point for the party in terms of standing up for itself.
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I had totally forgotten there was another Lexingtonite on these forums!
I have a sneaking suspicion the restaurant will be just fine.
Glad to know all hope isn't lost.
One last point to this whole nonsense: given the owner was warned their employees were uncomfortable, it should be seen as an act of mercy that SHS was warned and asked to leave. Can you imagine what she and her family might've unknowingly consumed?!
So what I'm hearing from Mike Huckabee via Fox News (and my parents parroting their stuff) is that the owner of Red Hen "chased her across the street and tried to get them kicked out of there too"
Hannity and Ingraham's entire show is about how Democrats are being terrorists and Maxine Waters is the new Bin Laden
Hannity and Ingraham's entire show is about how Democrats are being terrorists and Maxine Waters is the new Bin Laden