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Dennie Dee

Member
Oct 26, 2017
918
Bruges, Belgium
Well, you've got to practice on people you don't want to date, get them to do most of the talking by lining up questions about whatever they have just said. Colleagues, family or friends will do.

I work retail (7+ years now) and I avoid small talk like the plague. I know how to handle it perfectly 'cause I've done it a gazillion times. I just don't want to 'cause it's not genuine on my behalf.

Guess I'll need practice outside of my work place then.
 

Coolwhip

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,628
I usually just lurk on ERA, but could use some advice.

For some background, I'm 30 years old and have never been involved in a relationship. Sad, I know. I've been friends with a girl at work (I know, work relationships aren't the best) for a couple years; over the past year or so our friendship has really strengthened. During that time I've also developed strong feelings for her.

Several times I have considered letting her know how I feel, but I haven't mustered the courage to do it. I'm afraid of rejection and also scared that our friendship could be ruined if she doesn't feel the same way. I know she sees me as a close friend, but not sure if it goes further than that.

I get mixed signals - I've told her that I love her a few times (often before she begins a long drive for vacation, for example), and she responds with "I love you too". We occasionally go out to lunch together (twice this week - I invited her one day, she invited me two days later). Yet some days she doesn't seem interested in even talking. It doesn't help that I'm bad at reading people.

If I choose to express my feelings, what would be the best way to go about it?

In a not dramatic way probably. Just ask her if she is interested in going out as more than just friends on a date date. Don't confess your undying love for her. You are of course risking killing the friendship.
 

Jokab

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
875
I work retail (7+ years now) and I avoid small talk like the plague. I know how to handle it perfectly 'cause I've done it a gazillion times. I just don't want to 'cause it's not genuine on my behalf.

Guess I'll need practice outside of my work place then.
You can try skipping straight to "medium talk". I don't think there's an actual term like medium talk but it's what I call it. You know, stuff that comes after "hey the weather's nice huh?" and "do you have any siblings". You can ask things like "What do you care about in life?" or "What are things you like that people usually don't?" Skip the parts you don't like
 

Raptomex

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,249
You can try skipping straight to "medium talk". I don't think there's an actual term like medium talk but it's what I call it. You know, stuff that comes after "hey the weather's nice huh?" and "do you have any siblings". You can ask things like "What do you care about in life?" or "What are things you like that people usually don't?" Skip the parts you don't like
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But I get where he's coming from, I hate small talk myself. And it used to be really hard for me to "elevate" and ask questions because I normally don't do it unless I'm close with the person. I got better with practice but I still hate having to repeat the same questions and discussions with each new person.
 

Mahonay

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,318
Pencils Vania
Had my first Bumble date the other night at a craft beer joint. Went pretty well. She seemed into me but I just wasn't feeling an attraction towards her which feels shitty. We have similar family backgrounds and current life situations, I'd be her friend but perhaps not date. Which sucks because she's a pretty ideal match for me, but that physical attraction wasn't there. I was so awkward at the end of the date because I wasn't planning on ending it with a kiss. I just said some shit about how I didn't want to go home and work early (which was true) and then skated off into the night lol. Oh well.

Already got two other Bumble matches I started talking to today.
 

Dennie Dee

Member
Oct 26, 2017
918
Bruges, Belgium
You can try skipping straight to "medium talk". I don't think there's an actual term like medium talk but it's what I call it. You know, stuff that comes after "hey the weather's nice huh?" and "do you have any siblings". You can ask things like "What do you care about in life?" or "What are things you like that people usually don't?" Skip the parts you don't like

Simple, yet sound advice. Thanks!
 

FloatOn

Member
Jan 24, 2018
1,496
man this sucks. story time:

I've had tinder for like a week and got my first super like saturday. decided to say hello. had an awesome conversation and asked her to hang out that night. she agreed. had a really great date. was busy yesterday and was going to ask her to go to dinner with me friday night today but imagine my surprise when I see that I've been unmatched.

feels bad.
 
Nov 17, 2017
12,864
man this sucks. story time:

I've had tinder for like a week and got my first super like saturday. decided to say hello. had an awesome conversation and asked her to hang out that night. she agreed. had a really great date. was busy yesterday and was going to ask her to go to dinner with me friday night today but imagine my surprise when I see that I've been unmatched.

feels bad.
That sounds... pretty standard actually.

People ghost after first dates all the time. Maybe she didn't think the date was as great as you thought or she just didn't have a spark.

The fact that you've only had Tinder for a week and already had one date is a pretty good sign. A lot of people struggle getting matches at all at that point. You definitely have more dates to look forward to in the future!
 

SRG01

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,020
You can try skipping straight to "medium talk". I don't think there's an actual term like medium talk but it's what I call it. You know, stuff that comes after "hey the weather's nice huh?" and "do you have any siblings". You can ask things like "What do you care about in life?" or "What are things you like that people usually don't?" Skip the parts you don't like

Y'know, I 100% agree with this. My doomed whirlwind romance skipped a bunch of steps, and medium talk was one of them. We just started talking about other things, but never got into the things that really matter -- which lead to some really shitty circumstances.

In other news, we're meeting today and I'm going to have to decide whether to stay friends (which I told her I wanted at the beginning, if this didn't work out) or cut her out for good.
 

FloatOn

Member
Jan 24, 2018
1,496
That sounds... pretty standard actually.

People ghost after first dates all the time. Maybe she didn't think the date was as great as you thought or she just didn't have a spark.

The fact that you've only had Tinder for a week and already had one date is a pretty good sign. A lot of people struggle getting matches at all at that point. You definitely have more dates to look forward to in the future!

thanks for the encouraging words.
 

Messofanego

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,192
UK
Had my first Bumble date the other night at a craft beer joint. Went pretty well. She seemed into me but I just wasn't feeling an attraction towards her which feels shitty. We have similar family backgrounds and current life situations, I'd be her friend but perhaps not date. Which sucks because she's a pretty ideal match for me, but that physical attraction wasn't there. I was so awkward at the end of the date because I wasn't planning on ending it with a kiss. I just said some shit about how I didn't want to go home and work early (which was true) and then skated off into the night lol. Oh well.

Already got two other Bumble matches I started talking to today.
Please tell me you actually skated off into the night XD
 

Valkerion

Member
Oct 29, 2017
7,246
So.... I guess I got a girlfriend?

I've been pretty apathetic towards dating and in general not really chasing anything because I have not felt that spark with anyone. Maybe I'm just old and jaded by now. Anyway lady friend who confessed to me a while ago and I hooked up last night and while it was good I still don't... pine for her or anything. I know it's lame as hell and this isn't some high school crush/romance, but that feel of heart racing when you see them and what not just never showed up with her. Every time I think about her shes not my type on paper lol. Pretty, but not my type. I know she gets approached by dudes a lot trying to pick her up but she still comes for me only. Tall, pretty, well dressed, athletic, and kind to a fault... but I mean... look at my avatar! I like trashy ass ladies like this haha. I'm so conflicted in my brain guys.

Also she knows a million times over that I'm leaving this city in a month but she still pursued me, and I have very little clue where I'll be placed next. I figure I'll try this girlfriend thing for a while and see what happens lol. -SIGH- I just wanna beat Persona 5, see what happens when you go outside guys, you meet people and you don't fucking finish Persona 5!
 

Mahonay

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,318
Pencils Vania
Now my first Tinder date out of nowhere. An old friend I had in high school, back then we both had a crush on each other but never dated. We matched tonight and she's driving out immediately to meet me for a drink lol. She still looks great and still seems cool. Hope this goes well!
 

Messofanego

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,192
UK
Now my first Tinder date out of nowhere. An old friend I had in high school, back then we both had a crush on each other but never dated. We matched tonight and she's driving out immediately to meet me for a drink lol. She still looks great and still seems cool. Hope this goes well!
Hope it does! Don't get too wasted.
 

Dreavus

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Jan 12, 2018
1,729
I am speaking with a girl on OKcupid who "doesn't meet right away because of previous bad experiences". I usually try asking within the first 4-5 exchanges because talking on the app is painful and I would rather just speak with the person when we're out about whatever it is we might text about.

Is this where I say something like "Cool, let me know when you want to go out!" or some variation of that? Might be over thinking it but I don't want to be stuck just texting for 2 weeks because that's a big waste of everyone's time.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,159
China
I am speaking with a girl on OKcupid who "doesn't meet right away because of previous bad experiences". I usually try asking within the first 4-5 exchanges because talking on the app is painful and I would rather just speak with the person when we're out about whatever it is we might text about.

Is this where I say something like "Cool, let me know when you want to go out!" or some variation of that? Might be over thinking it but I don't want to be stuck just texting for 2 weeks because that's a big waste of everyone's time.
Leave the ball in her court, because "Not ready" could last forever. You could ask in a weeks time and if you still get rejected again then just block/delete and move on.
 

Prologue

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
781
Touching isn't always a green light for interest, right?

Keep bumping into a classmate that always touches my arm in a playful kind of way. But at the same time, shes a bit dorky/quirky, so perhaps shes just playful and oblivious to social cues?
 

Dreavus

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Jan 12, 2018
1,729
Leave the ball in her court, because "Not ready" could last forever. You could ask in a weeks time and if you still get rejected again then just block/delete and move on.

Thanks man, that's what I ended up doing, so I'll probably ask again in a bit and then I'm done.

On the one hand I "get it", but on the other hand I'm not sure what not meeting right away will change. There's always going to be that sliver of risk when you're meeting a stranger.
 

Lulu

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
26,680
Touching isn't always a green light for interest, right?

Keep bumping into a classmate that always touches my arm in a playful kind of way. But at the same time, shes a bit dorky/quirky, so perhaps shes just playful and oblivious to social cues?
Just ask her on a date
 

Shal

Member
Oct 27, 2017
296
Whats ERA opinion about your SO (my GF in this case) sending pics to a male "friend" of her? Not naked pics (that I know of) but pics of her face smiling and stuff. She showed me one, didn't see more nor checked her phone nor anything but that was so weird to me. I am kind of pissed but I don't know if I'm overreacting or not

Are you guys ok with that? I don't know what to think, it kind of annoyed me but she doesn't sees it as anything bad.

She says is an old friend of her that she messages since a lot of years ago and they use to send each other photos all the time.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
5,159
China
Yeah, let me backtrack on what I said earlier: your girlfriend raises a ton of red flags.

I initially thought: Oh, it was a university trip. Maybe she and some random dudes (and girls?) bonded over a shared love of Greek pottery, human rights, or Shakespeare or something.

But nope.

She loves attention. That's fine, if you're into it. (Quite frankly, I'd personally be into what she's throwing down, absent the sugar daddy shit, but you and I are different.) It doesn't seem you are.

You don't want to date a baby hotwife, and that's completely fine.

She's going to flirt and crave attention, and she'll probably remain faithful and pout around you until your unwillingness to condone her flirting makes her grow bored and go elsewhere.

Well the fact that she loves attention (or that's my take on it at least) is what raises some trust issues in me as well.

There's also cases like, for example, this "new really hot guy who's really nice" in one of her classes with which she exchanged numbers with after sitting next to him and talking with him in a class. This guy messaged her "I got a ton of questions to ask you but I will do it in person". I told her he is just hitting on her and she's like "you think so? Nah". She said "I don't like him anyway" but the fact that she bringed him up in the first place and wants to see what he has to say makes me doubt more. If she's ok with making friends like that then I got nothing to do but stuff like this feeds my insecurity. The fact that she is so open to sharing numbers and such leaves me uneasy.

She also.seemed jealous when she bringed up how "this super incredibly handsome guy" from her class (which she has never talked with but she "hates" him because of his presence) kept on hitting on this chick (in the university trip bus) on a really lame way. She said she was embarrassed of listening it and wanted him to shut up but to me that sounded like jealousy.

Stuff like this makes me wonder If I can really trust her. Yes is true that she told.me about those things herself, but the way she expressed herself everytime seemed weird. Maybe she deeps down just want to make me feel jealous, or maybe there's other reasons I don't know.
Whats ERA opinion about your SO (my GF in this case) sending pics to a male "friend" of her? Not naked pics (that I know of) but pics of her face smiling and stuff. She showed me one, didn't see more nor checked her phone nor anything but that was so weird to me. I am kind of pissed but I don't know if I'm overreacting or not

Are you guys ok with that? I don't know what to think, it kind of annoyed me but she doesn't sees it as anything bad.

She says is an old friend of her that she messages since a lot of years ago and they use to send each other photos all the time.

Dude, come on.
 

Shal

Member
Oct 27, 2017
296
More explanation please lol

Yeh I feel like this is just too much, she says it's a old friend of her and it's just joke pics.of her and stuff (even tho she showed me a cute pic)... I just can't build trust with this kind of crap holy... ><
 

Subpar Scrub

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,576
lol

I feel too old for heelies

Even with my heelies, I can't escape my feelies.

Are you guys ok with that? I don't know what to think, it kind of annoyed me but she doesn't sees it as anything bad.

It doesn't matter if we're okay with that, what matters is that you're not okay with it. You realistically have three options here.

1. Speak with this girl about your discomfort regarding the pics and ask her to stop or change the style of pics.

2. Accept that she's sending these pics to her old/new friends in a joking way and get over it.

3. Accept that this is how she is, acknowledge the disparity in your values/perception of the situation and break up.

All I can really say is, if you go with option 1, don't be too aggressive, demanding or controlling in your suggested solutions and stuff. Ain't cool.
 

Zen

The Wise Ones
Member
Nov 1, 2017
9,658
My girl's breaking up with me today. We've had our share of fights over stupid things and several big fights over issues we each have. I never once thought it couldn't work, but she's tired of the miscommunications and recent events and the worst financial decision of my life has put me under scrutiny by her. I'm feeling pretty shit.
 

Shal

Member
Oct 27, 2017
296
Even with my heelies, I can't escape my feelies.



It doesn't matter if we're okay with that, what matters is that you're not okay with it. You realistically have three options here.

1. Speak with this girl about your discomfort regarding the pics and ask her to stop or change the style of pics.

2. Accept that she's sending these pics to her old/new friends in a joking way and get over it.

3. Accept that this is how she is, acknowledge the disparity in your values/perception of the situation and break up.

All I can really say is, if you go with option 1, don't be too aggressive, demanding or controlling in your suggested solutions and stuff. Ain't cool.

Well.my GF told.me that she doesn't see anything bad regarding the pics stuff but said that she's gonna stop doing it since I do have a problem with it.

Anyway these past months been mostly good, most of the red flags have already dispersed but some weird situations like this shows up at times, I will keep going while keeping an eye I guess.

This past 2 weeks or so have been rough though, there been quite a bit of fights because of random stuff, I hope those stop popping up so often or I might end up breaking up with her.

Thanks for the feedback.


My girl's breaking up with me today. We've had our share of fights over stupid things and several big fights over issues we each have. I never once thought it couldn't work, but she's tired of the miscommunications and recent events and the worst financial decision of my life has put me under scrutiny by her. I'm feeling pretty shit.

I'm sorry man, hopefully you overcome it soon enough, there's more out there, good luck!
 

Messofanego

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,192
UK
My girl's breaking up with me today. We've had our share of fights over stupid things and several big fights over issues we each have. I never once thought it couldn't work, but she's tired of the miscommunications and recent events and the worst financial decision of my life has put me under scrutiny by her. I'm feeling pretty shit.
Remember to just do what you enjoy during this time, whether its the cinema, exercise, nature walks, games, going out, etc. Don't let a breakup stop you from what you like to do when you are single. Hopefully you find someone stronger who will be there for you through the worst rather than bailing.
 

vrcsix

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,083
Had a date lined up for yesterday, but she bailed at the last minute. Said she had gotten a headache and felt dizzy, apologized for the late cancellation, and asked if we could reschedule (without any specific suggestion). I wished her well, said sure, gave her my number, and proposed she message me about a new time. Ended up going out with a mate instead.

I'm inclined to think I won't hear from her ever again.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,159
China
Had a date lined up for yesterday, but she bailed at the last minute. Said she had gotten a headache and felt dizzy, apologized for the late cancellation, and asked if we could reschedule (without any specific suggestion). I wished her well, said sure, gave her my number, and proposed she message me about a new time. Ended up going out with a mate instead.

I'm inclined to think I won't hear from her ever again.
Yup, forget her but if she does get back in touch that's a bonus.
 

Jokab

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
875
Sometimes I have doubts about this whole "put the ball in her court" thing. I mean in theory it should make sense, don't spend time chasing someone that keeps bailing and giving half-assed excuses. Sure, I buy that completely. However, my experience with many women has been that they are utterly terrible at taking the initiative, even for things that they really do want. Be it going in for the first kiss, initiating sex when you're not a couple yet (i.e. when it's not a given if you get what I mean), or asking the other person out. Back when I was way more awkward with women than I am now, I got rejected more than once because I "wasn't assertive enough". I've had girls over at my place and not made any kind of move at all (even though I wanted to), and afterwards they say I seemed awkward because I didn't make a move.

My point with all this is obviously not that you should beg for a girl to go out with you after she's being flaky. My point is however that "putting the ball in her court" doesn't always pan out, even if the intent is good. She might not be as assertive as you hope she is. Instead of just giving out your number and dropping her completely, you might reach out in a week or two and ask again.
 
Nov 17, 2017
12,864
Sometimes I have doubts about this whole "put the ball in her court" thing. I mean in theory it should make sense, don't spend time chasing someone that keeps bailing and giving half-assed excuses. Sure, I buy that completely. However, my experience with many women has been that they are utterly terrible at taking the initiative, even for things that they really do want. Be it going in for the first kiss, initiating sex when you're not a couple yet (i.e. when it's not a given if you get what I mean), or asking the other person out. Back when I was way more awkward with women than I am now, I got rejected more than once because I "wasn't assertive enough". I've had girls over at my place and not made any kind of move at all (even though I wanted to), and afterwards they say I seemed awkward because I didn't make a move.

My point with all this is obviously not that you should beg for a girl to go out with you after she's being flaky. My point is however that "putting the ball in her court" doesn't always pan out, even if the intent is good. She might not be as assertive as you hope she is. Instead of just giving out your number and dropping her completely, you might reach out in a week or two and ask again.
Personally I prefer to date someone who can take some initiative when they want something. I don't want to be doing 100% of the chasing. I think a lot of women are bad with taking initiative because that is something socially expected of men in dating. That doesn't mean they can't do it if they want to, especially if they cancel on you and you literally tell them to give you a time they are free.

I think it's less about hoping she is assertive and more about not wasting time and effort with someone who isn't interested enough to take the minimum amount of initiative to tell you when they can go out (assuming they actually want to.) You're not sitting there hoping she gets back to you, you're putting her out of your mind and if she does get back to you, it's a pleasant surprise rather than something you were anticipating. If they don't want to go out with you then you're not wasting your time.

When I was on Tinder, when it got to the point of asking for a number, I usually would give my number and tell girls to text me so I would know it's them instead. It was an easy out for them if they wanted to just ghost without saying anything but it also meant I would know they were interested because they would have to take the iniative to text me. Like if you can't do that, you clearly aren't that interested.
 

Messofanego

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,192
UK
Personally I prefer to date someone who can take some initiative when they want something. I don't want to be doing 100% of the chasing. I think a lot of women are bad with taking initiative because that is something socially expected of men in dating. That doesn't mean they can't do it if they want to, especially if they cancel on you and you literally tell them to give you a time they are free.

I think it's less about hoping she is assertive and more about not wasting time and effort with someone who isn't interested enough to take the minimum amount of initiative to tell you when they can go out (assuming they actually want to.) You're not sitting there hoping she gets back to you, you're putting her out of your mind and if she does get back to you, it's a pleasant surprise rather than something you were anticipating. If they don't want to go out with you then you're not wasting your time.

When I was on Tinder, when it got to the point of asking for a number, I usually would give my number and tell girls to text me so I would know it's them instead. It was an easy out for them if they wanted to just ghost without saying anything but it also meant I would know they were interested because they would have to take the iniative to text me. Like if you can't do that, you clearly aren't that interested.
Couldn't have said it any better. You don't want someone in a relationship who takes so little initiative.
 

Jokab

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
875
Personally I prefer to date someone who can take some initiative when they want something. I don't want to be doing 100% of the chasing. I think a lot of women are bad with taking initiative because that is something socially expected of men in dating. That doesn't mean they can't do it if they want to, especially if they cancel on you and you literally tell them to give you a time they are free.

I think it's less about hoping she is assertive and more about not wasting time and effort with someone who isn't interested enough to take the minimum amount of initiative to tell you when they can go out (assuming they actually want to.) You're not sitting there hoping she gets back to you, you're putting her out of your mind and if she does get back to you, it's a pleasant surprise rather than something you were anticipating. If they don't want to go out with you then you're not wasting your time.

When I was on Tinder, when it got to the point of asking for a number, I usually would give my number and tell girls to text me so I would know it's them instead. It was an easy out for them if they wanted to just ghost without saying anything but it also meant I would know they were interested because they would have to take the iniative to text me. Like if you can't do that, you clearly aren't that interested.

Couldn't have said it any better. You don't want someone in a relationship who takes so little initiative.

I think you are both ruling out many potential partners from that criteria considering how men and women are generally "supposed to" behave in dating. A girl can be as progressive as they come and still not be comfortable being the one taking the step.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,159
China
I think you are both ruling out many potential partners from that criteria considering how men and women are generally "supposed to" behave in dating. A girl can be as progressive as they come and still not be comfortable being the one taking the step.
Your falling into the "what if" trap here. Actions speak volumes, don't come up with hypotheticals. My two strikes and your out rule worked very well to stop me wasting time with women that just liked the attention but had no intention to follow through.
 

Messofanego

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,192
UK
I think you are both ruling out many potential partners from that criteria considering how men and women are generally "supposed to" behave in dating. A girl can be as progressive as they come and still not be comfortable being the one taking the step.
I'm ruling out people who would waste my time and not know what they want. I prefer relationships to be a two way street and equal, rather than one party doing most of the heavy lifting. Some guys might be comfortable fulfilling old school gender norms of doing most of the initiation but I am not. It just makes it easier to find out how much a person is interested in me.
 

FloatOn

Member
Jan 24, 2018
1,496
lunch date tomorrow.

weirdly I dated this girl briefly back in high school so imagine my surprise when she popped up on tinder. also she has a kid now so that will be interesting to navigate. I've never dated someone with a kid before.
 

SpecX

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
1,811
lunch date tomorrow.

weirdly I dated this girl briefly back in high school so imagine my surprise when she popped up on tinder. also she has a kid now so that will be interesting to navigate. I've never dated someone with a kid before.
Just be prepared for her to make schedule changes frequently if she's the sole supporter and the kids are young.
 
Nov 17, 2017
12,864
Damnit, I want to be with someone again but I'm also just terrified to sign up for dating websites.
There's nothing scary about dating sites/apps. I thought the same thing but it's like a cold swimming pool. You psyche yourself out by dipping your toes in so just jump in and you'll acclimate quicker. But you should also make sure you don't go into them feeling desperate to be with someone. It's a recipe for disaster. You wouldn't jump in the pool if you didn't know how to swim.