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EdibleKnife

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Oct 29, 2017
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And you must be the adult in the room and confront it and put thr pressure on changing policy, winning elections. Not create distractions on the side. It adds nothing . The deplorables will use distractions agaisnt you and change the narrative. Guess what its already happening. The moment you start a culture war you lose because GOP will play dirty and go full scorched earch. If democrats so that i might as well move back to canada
Protest isn't a distraction. You literally know nothing about the very country you're on if you think that way. America is no longer a British colony because people decided to fight back. I really don't give a fuck what the GOP thinks. They make up shit all the time and already warp Democratic patience into weakness. People are dying. I have no interest in your milquetoast bs about civility & decorum. This is a battle for my life not a school debate so stop acting like you're superior because you don't want to get your hands dirty in a fight where your opponent will do whatever they can to tear your heart out of your chest.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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And you must be the adult in the room and confront it and put thr pressure on changing policy, winning elections. Not create distractions on the side. It adds nothing . The deplorables will use distractions agaisnt you and change the narrative. Guess what its already happening. The moment you start a culture war you lose because GOP will play dirty and go full scorched earch. If democrats so that i might as well move back to canada
Move back to Canada? This is done, you're a troll. Lawlz fun times.
 

Deleted member 1635

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Yes by being the only civilized people against uncivilized people. Acting driven purely on emotion rather than logic is going to bring chaos. Nothing else. You lose the country because everyone lost their civility, no adults will exist, the american experiment fails

This is nonsense and completely ignores how humanity tends to operate.
 

meow

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
1,094
NYC
And you must be the adult in the room and confront it and put thr pressure on changing policy, winning elections. Not create distractions on the side. It adds nothing . The deplorables will use distractions agaisnt you and change the narrative. Guess what its already happening. The moment you start a culture war you lose because GOP will play dirty and go full scorched earch. If democrats so that i might as well move back to canada
How do you think we got here...it's because one side has always been playing dirty. Basically, I agree with this entire twitter thread in response to you, and people like you:
 

NoRéN

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Oct 26, 2017
2,623
Yes by being the only civilized people against uncivilized people. Acting driven purely on emotion rather than logic is going to bring chaos. Nothing else. You lose the country because everyone lost their civility, no adults will exist, the american experiment fails
Fuck being nice.

This thinly veiled bullshit is so tiring.
 

Shauni

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,728
Yes by being the only civilized people against uncivilized people. Acting driven purely on emotion rather than logic is going to bring chaos. Nothing else. You lose the country because everyone lost their civility, no adults will exist, the american experiment fails

Lol, the American experiment failed when a fascist was elected President
 

Lo-Volt

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Oct 27, 2017
2,435
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I somewhat don't care about what Nancy Pelosi et al say because the people doing this aren't Democrats. There's no incentive for the DSA to listen to her talk about civility. She's thinking about swing voters who harken back to the good old days when discord wasn't in all their faces and that's understandable but protesters aren't obligated to listen to this. If people want to go agit and engage in civil disobedience, they're going to. If people are clutching the pearls and writing editorials about this, then they're onto something.

But for those of you so concerned about the loss of civility, you should keep in mind that people who are prepared to do this don't think that their voices will be represented or heard in the current democratic system. If the ballot box does not deliver what they want, they seek other methods, like chants and in-your-face. It isn't like someone laid a hand on these people, they were simply confronted for what they were doing in the public sphere. The targets of these protests didn't like it, and they were simply allowed to go home. Nothing untoward happened, and acting like it did is a mistake.

Civil disobedience is also part of the American tradition, though it might make Americans uncomfortable. I am sorry that the Democratic Party is missing out of the importance of this, especially when they try to cater to voters who are well served by moves like this and have had to rely on moves like this to even get their attention in the first place. Maybe Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer should consider what gay activists had to do as they were marching in pride parades earlier this month, for example.

tldr: Stop telling people who feel unheard and mistreated to be "nice", and no one did anything wrong so deal with it.
 

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This is a terrible take and dangerous. One side is extreme and the other showing some semblance of civilized society. This bloc should never get control of the adults in the room .

If trump supporters act like children and we give up the adult in the room position you lose the country .

Every day on twitter I have trump supporters threatening to murder and rape me for being trans. But sure, I should continue to "act like the adult in the room" and just let that slide.

Fuck. That.
 

Skelepuzzle

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Apr 17, 2018
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This trade war is going to absolutely destroy lives. Kids are in camps that we can't see inside of. Amnesty International lebeled it as torture. Out of a sample of 300 attempts to reunite them with their parents 2 succeeded. They want to gut medicaid and medicare for their goddamn tax cuts, which will literally kill people when they can't afford their meds.

They're torturing children by separating and confining them, and their policies will lead to poverty and death. You think that holding them up to their own cruelty is going too far?
 

night814

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 29, 2017
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bothsides-ism ended when internment camps for children were erected
I don't know how you can say that when the first thing Trump was saying after this was discovered was that this was all the Dems fault and you know a lot of people bought that. He and his like will keep playing that card because it works for the people who.already are buying their bullshit.

I agree with this articles points, eventually there has to be a backlash.
 
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Vimes

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Oct 25, 2017
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I find it fascinating that the civility police in this thread are focusing on the peaceful (if heated) confrontations that have happened so far, when the entire point of the OP article is "count your blessings that the protests are peaceful, for now."

I'll quote it again, for the people in the back:
These people, who are pushing America merrily down the road to fascism and white nationalism, are delusional if they do not think that the backlash is going to get much worse. Wait until the recession comes. Wait until Trump starts a war. Wait until the racism this administration is stoking begins to explode into violence more frequently. Read a fucking history book. Read a recent history book. The U.S. had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s. This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive. The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at a Mexican restaurant.

Hopefully the peaceful protests that you find so "uncivil" will succeed so that shit won't have to get dire. Because history suggests it probably will.
 
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nemoral

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Oct 25, 2017
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Justice exists not only to protect the weak and poor from predation, but to protect the wealthy from being hunted through the streets and murdered. When justice stops working -- when children are in cages, and votes are suppressed, and high crimes are ignored -- people stop trusting the system and start mobilizing. If people can't get change peacefully, they'll get it violently.
 

EdibleKnife

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Oct 29, 2017
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I find it amazing that the civility police in this thread are focusing on the peaceful (if heated) confrontations that have happened so far, when the entire point of the OP article is "count your blessings that the protests are peaceful, for now."
It's because they're cowards who see any conflict as the sign of being ruled by "emotion". They didn't read the article and hope they can shame people into shutting up and taking it by saying any conflict is childish and wipe the very concept of conflict from history to justify their apathy and complacency in the face of inhumanity. But they'll get completely run over when they really see what people are willing to do to survive.
 

Speevy

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Oct 26, 2017
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As I said in another thread, the only thing that matters is whether this puts Donald Trump out of office or puts him back in it. If it doesn't matter one way or another, I'm all for it.

But there's nothing (legally) that shouldn't be done to relieve this person of office. Arguing over which democrat has the right mindset doesn't seem to be leading us anywhere though.
 

Derrick01

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Oct 25, 2017
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Things are definitely going to get worse and it'll probably be a good thing for the country in the long term. Violence is the only thing that this country understands and the only thing that can get the people in charge to pull off huge changes. We've proven with decades of inaction, and poor voting choices, that we can't handle this any other way.
 

Speevy

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Oct 26, 2017
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My thinking is that we need 2 things:

1) The message has to be something so simple and inarguable that even Trump supporters can't twist it, and we have to keep it on the news.

2) We have to give the Republicans so much shit that they're forced to speak to Trump like the dumbshit he is. This is what happened when he signed that executive order.


How can we accomplish those 2 goals?
 

BADMAN

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Oct 25, 2017
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1) The message has to be something so simple and inarguable that even Trump supporters can't twist it, and we have to keep it on the news.


Like a slogan or hashtag sort of thing? Just need an all inclusive word and a call to action. Like HumanityUnite or something.

Keeping it in the news is where it gets tricky. The only way to get into the news and stay there now a days is to piss people off daily and get op-eds written and shit.

2) We have to give the Republicans so much shit that they're forced to speak to Trump like the dumbshit he is. This is what happened when he signed that executive order.


You'd have to get them to actually care about the shit we give them before that'd work. The only way the GOP would turn on Trump is if Trump somehow lost control over the Republican base. Good luck with that though.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It's because they're cowards who see any conflict as the sign of being ruled by "emotion". They didn't read the article and hope they can shame people into shutting up and taking it by saying any conflict is childish and wipe the very concept of conflict from history to justify their apathy and complacency in the face of inhumanity. But they'll get completely run over when they really see what people are willing to do to survive.

Yep.
 

4859

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Oct 27, 2017
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In the weak and the wounded
Nancy Pelosi chastising me for being disobedient is actually my fetish

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His story checks out.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yes by being the only civilized people against uncivilized people. Acting driven purely on emotion rather than logic is going to bring chaos. Nothing else. You lose the country because everyone lost their civility, no adults will exist, the american experiment fails

So what you're saying is that the American experiment failed decades upon decades upon decades ago?
 

Ogami Itto

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Oct 25, 2017
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Things are definitely going to get worse and it'll probably be a good thing for the country in the long term. Violence is the only thing that this country understands and the only thing that can get the people in charge to pull off huge changes. We've proven with decades of inaction, and poor voting choices, that we can't handle this any other way.

Yup, we need a French Revolution style purging.
 

BADMAN

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yup, we need a French Revolution style purging.

Let's hope ours goes a bit better than the French Revolution. It was all fun and games until the Jacobins lost their minds with paranoia and the whole "KILL ALL WHO DISAGREE WITH US!"

It's funny that Robespierre was actually against beheadings at the beginning.
 

Polaroid_64

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Oct 25, 2017
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If just last year you said that there would be children in prison, moderates would have lectured how that never would happen.

Now they don't seem too bothered by it. But if you say Trump will cancel the election or some other fuckery, they will say it never will happen.

All why tone policing and lecturing how to be nice to people doing actual evil.
 

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This article basically says "Trump is coming, don't push back or you'll only make it worse for yourself"... Fuck that.
 

BigDes

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Oct 25, 2017
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My thinking is that we need 2 things:

1) The message has to be something so simple and inarguable that even Trump supporters can't twist it, and we have to keep it on the news.


I mean, it would have to be super simple for the Trump supporters to to be able to twist it, these are the guys that took

"Hey anyone want a pizza?" and twisted it into an international pedophile ring and quantum basements.
 

Skelepuzzle

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Apr 17, 2018
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This article basically says "Trump is coming, don't push back or you'll only make it worse for yourself"... Fuck that.

We did not read the same article.

This is all going to get more extreme. And it should. We are living in extreme times. The harm that is being done to all of us by the people in the American government is extreme. To imagine that Mexican immigrants should happily cook for and serve meals to people who enable a man who is determined to demonize and persecute them as subhuman criminals is far more outrageous than the idea that those enablers should not be served in restaurants. I do not believe that Trump administration officials should be able to live their lives in peace and affluence while they inflict serious harms on large portions of the American population.
 

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We did not read the same article.

Busted... I scanned through it. Now I paused to read it properly. Still scary times. I'm in the UK & have been watching US politics closely since Trump started running for President & it seemed very clear that there was something not right with him. I'll be protesting against his UK visit on July 13th because I refuse to see the UK follow the route the US has gone politically. Our politicians cannot wait to align with this orange monster.
 

Skelepuzzle

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Apr 17, 2018
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Busted... I scanned through it. Now I paused to read it properly. Still scary times. I'm in the UK & have been watching US politics closely since Trump started running for President & it seemed very clear that there was something not right with him. I'll be protesting against his UK visit on July 13th because I refuse to see the UK follow the route the US has gone politically. Our politicians cannot wait to align with this orange monster.

I thought the article would go the way you thought it would as well, before I read it thoroughly.

Give him hell, I hope everyone is becoming encouraged to demonstrate against Trump.
 

HarryHengst

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Oct 27, 2017
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Corporations aren't simply "Fine" with it. The first Fascist States were only possible because of Corporations.

Corporations tried to back a Fascist coup against Roosevelt in the 1930's, and only stopped when WW2 started and they realized pressing any further would result in the US Army kicking down their doors and them getting executed for High Treason. (Honestly maybe things would be better in the US if some of these executives got Made Examples Of by Roosevelt...)

Fascism is the Natural End Goal of Capitalism. The "Corporations take over the world" crap we see in Cyberpunk media isn't going to be by the way of the government waning out of relevance - It's going to be by the way of Corporations and Government being joined at the hip like in Nazi Germany (and Spain and Italy)
The Business Plot
Bonus Points: The Gas-Chambers and all technology involved used in the Concentration Camps were designed and distributed by IBM.

This must never be forgotten. Corporations want fascism. Sure, they walk around during gay pride's to pretend to be good and progressive, but what they really want is fascism, because fascism means they get to control everything, including the government. It's no coincidence most corporations are led as a dictatorship and not a democracy.


And people who say ''we should be the adult in the room and not inconvenience the opposition'' should take a lesson from Martin Luther King:

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice[...]

because that quote is extremely relevant (even if its not about fighting Trump and rising fascism). It's why the Washington Post prints letters saying that throwing Sanders out of the restaurant is a bad thing: it disturbs order. And the only way to change things is to disturb the order. Which is what Trump is doing and guess what: it's working. So the only way to fight back is to upset order and civility.
 

SugarNoodles

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Nov 3, 2017
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My thinking is that we need 2 things:

1) The message has to be something so simple and inarguable that even Trump supporters can't twist it, and we have to keep it on the news.

2) We have to give the Republicans so much shit that they're forced to speak to Trump like the dumbshit he is. This is what happened when he signed that executive order.


How can we accomplish those 2 goals?
It doesnt seem like a compelling slogan/hashtag should be as difficult to find as democrats seem to be having with it. The left has rallied around #Resist, so it seems like something as simple as "rise" or "reclaim" could get the job done.