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Sam Harris has pulled a Boogie (again)

UnpopularBlargh

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From a Dave Rubin interview posted online on June 13 where he compares Vox and Salon as leftist equivalents to the KKK:


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Trump and the left are now mirror images of one another. And the answer to Trump can't be ... take it off Trump for a second ... the answer to the excesses of identity politics and populism and unreason on the right can't be amplifying all of that on the left. I think it will be in fact a losing strategy going forward. It is more of a renunciation of everything that makes the left good than it is on the right.

If you go far enough right, you're not expecting to meet rational open ended conversation about the nature of reality. You're expecting to meet neo-Nazis the KKK and that's what you in fact meet. But my problem is I'm meeting the same level of demagoguery and dishonesty and cynicism and mere gamesmanship on the left much much closer to where we all are living. Just interacting with a reporter from Salon or Vox. I mean who's there? I'm meeting someone who essentially has the intellectual and moral integrity of the guy in the white hood over on the right. And that asymmetry is totally alarming to me.
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I too would choose Ben Carson over Noam Chomsky to look at middle east politics. Also doesn't help his cause that he's saying all this in a discussion with Dave Rubin. Lock if old.
 
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Everyone who opposes Nazism or white supremacy is as bad or worse than Nazis/KKK. Except for Nazis and Klansmen. Nazis and Klansmen are the only okay groups of people left on Earth. /s
 
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The irony of interpreting what he's saying as "compares the left to Nazis" is dizzying. He's talking about intellectual dishonesty and it's role in ideological extremism. Taking a nuanced point and boiling it down to an incendiary tweet is exactly what he's talking about.

I don't like Sam Harris and I think he's often full of shit but I see where he's coming from here.
 
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Even when you're nice, upfront and accommodating as Ezra Klein is, Harris thinks you're lying or playing some stupid ideologue position. There's no winning with this guy.
 

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Happy to have been publicly denouncing this shot stain for years now. Listening to any of his social commentary and this stuff just seeps through all of it. I used to chalk it up to ignorance but the more you listen to him make comments like this the more it's just clear his opinions on social issues is completely out of whack. Also lol at using identity politics. Such a nonsense term.
 
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His subreddit was pretty critical of this. Which is a good thing. Nice to see fans not try to agree with or defend 100% of what a person says.

Also "pulled a boogie" smh boogie is trash in 100% of the things he says, though going by most sam harris threads on this board I think most people here will think the two are equal.
 
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Jedeye Sniv said:
The irony of interpreting what he's saying as "compares the left to Nazis" is dizzying. He's talking about intellectual dishonesty and it's role in ideological extremism. Taking a nuanced point and boiling it down to an incendiary tweet is exactly what he's talking about.

I don't like Sam Harris and I think he's often full of shit but I see where he's coming from here.
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Did you read the OP? There's more than the tweet. But please go on about how "it's taken out of context" or "we're all missing the nuance!".
You're expecting to meet neo-Nazis the KKK and that's what you in fact meet. But my problem is I'm meeting the same level of demagoguery and dishonesty and cynicism and mere gamesmanship on the left much much closer to where we all are living. Just interacting with a reporter from Salon or Vox. I mean who's there? I'm meeting someone who essentially has the intellectual and moral integrity of the guy in the white hood over on the right. And that asymmetry is totally alarming to me.
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Jedeye Sniv said:
The irony of interpreting what he's saying as "compares the left to Nazis" is dizzying. He's talking about intellectual dishonesty and it's role in ideological extremism. Taking a nuanced point and boiling it down to an incendiary tweet is exactly what he's talking about.

I don't like Sam Harris and I think he's often full of shit but I see where he's coming from here.
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"..intellectual and moral integrity of the guy in the white hood"

You're kidding right? If you're going to come in here with "actually what he meant" you might as well go all in. Want a shovel?
 
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Jedeye Sniv said:
The irony of interpreting what he's saying as "compares the left to Nazis" is dizzying. He's talking about intellectual dishonesty and it's role in ideological extremism. Taking a nuanced point and boiling it down to an incendiary tweet is exactly what he's talking about.

I don't like Sam Harris and I think he's often full of shit but I see where he's coming from here.
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He brought up moral integrity as well, though.
 
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Jedeye Sniv said:
The irony of interpreting what he's saying as "compares the left to Nazis" is dizzying. He's talking about intellectual dishonesty and it's role in ideological extremism. Taking a nuanced point and boiling it down to an incendiary tweet is exactly what he's talking about.

I don't like Sam Harris and I think he's often full of shit but I see where he's coming from here.
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Yeah I hear yeah Vox reporters have the same moral and intellectual integrity and honesty as the KKK
 
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He brought up moral integrity as well, though.
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Yeah I wouldn't go that far at all. But imo, there are some on the left that go to lengths to misrepresent and blow up statements for something as petty as point scoring. They paint a picture of reality that is just as bullshit as your average trumper.
 
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His subreddit was pretty critical of this. Which is a good thing. Nice to see fans not try to agree with or defend 100% of what a person says.

Also "pulled a boogie" smh boogie is trash in 100% of the things he says, though going by most sam harris threads on this board I think most people here will think the two are equal.
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His subreddit's been very openly critical of Harris ever since the Ezra debate and he started stanning for Charles Murray.

Also I don't think Boogie and Harris are equal besides making really dumb false equivalences. But I do feel Harris' disingenuous and constant painting people who disagree with him as morally bad or bankrupt is way more harmful to the intellectual discourse than whatever the latest idiocy Boogie has said.
 
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Jedeye Sniv said:
Yeah I wouldn't go that far at all. But imo, there are some on the left that go to lengths to misrepresent and blow up statements for something as petty as point scoring. They paint a picture of reality that is just as bullshit as your average trumper.
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Dude you are arguing with Era good luck man. Moderates are even considered right wing nuts here.
 
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UnpopularBlargh said:
His subreddit's been very openly critical of Harris ever since the Ezra debate and he started stanning for Charles Murray.

Also I don't think Boogie and Harris are equal besides making really dumb false equivalences. But I do feel Harris' disingenuous and constant painting people who disagree with him as morally bad or bankrupt is way more harmful to the intellectual discourse than whatever the latest idiocy Boogie has said.
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Yeah Harris is way more dangerous and influential
 
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UnpopularBlargh said:
His subreddit's been very openly critical of Harris ever since the Ezra debate and he started stanning for Charles Murray.

Also I don't think Boogie and Harris are equal besides making really dumb false equivalences. But I do feel Harris' disingenuous and constant painting people who disagree with him as morally bad or bankrupt is way more harmful to the intellectual discourse than whatever the latest idiocy Boogie has said.
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I don't post on his subreddit but I probably share in the criticisms. I don't dislike Sam but I'm sick of hearing him talk about these topics. I think his podcast is interesting because of the diversity of areas covered but I imagine, similar to myself, some number of his audience is sick of hearing him talk about college campus talks and the left and ben shapiro dave rubin "intellectual dark web" (barf) rehash topics all the time. Unsurprisingly, aside from how boring and repetitive these topics are, it just opens the opportunity for him to say easily disagreeable stuff like this.
 

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Right: "I hate gays, blacks, mexicans, immigrants, freedom of speech, and I want children thrown in cages"
Left: "Well I hate you and your hatred"
Right: "So much for the tolerant left."
 
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So much for "true neutral" rationality. They are pretty far left, but it doesn't take a scientist to see there isn't anything about their ethos that's similar to extremist groups.
 
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Remember in the playground chanting "I know you are, but what am I?". The right have turned this into an art form.
 
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Jedeye Sniv said:
Yeah I wouldn't go that far at all. But imo, there are some on the left that go to lengths to misrepresent and blow up statements for something as petty as point scoring. They paint a picture of reality that is just as bullshit as your average trumper.
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He said what he said and what he said is fucken stupid. In what reality did he not say what he said. There is no context that makes what he said not idiotic. Remember we are talking about the KKK here. Dudes a fucken idiot.
 
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FYI neither Sam Harris or Dave Rubin consider themselves to be part of the left. They're the mystical last "true liberals" in their minds eye.
 
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Jedeye Sniv said:
Yeah I wouldn't go that far at all. But imo, there are some on the left that go to lengths to misrepresent and blow up statements for something as petty as point scoring. They paint a picture of reality that is just as bullshit as your average trumper.
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Even if this were true, backtracking the argument to comparing "some on the left" to rival the delusion of the average Trump supporter should be enough to dissuade you from believing any both sides nonsense. The insanity and fervor of the modern right is on another cosmically uncomparable scale to what you can dredge up from the other side.
 
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Sam Harris tried to defend some racist shit, got called on it by journalists, and decides to call said journalists the equivalent of the KKK because his feelings were hurt and he looked bad.

what a fucking child
 
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God_Of_Phwoar said:
Right: "I hate gays, blacks, mexicans, immigrants, freedom of speech, and I want children thrown in cages"
Left: "Well I hate you and your hatred"
Right: "So much for the tolerant left."
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Appeasement in action. The smallest thing seen as a slight done by the left will be exaggerated and extrapolated upon to the furthest extent possible. Happens. Every. Time. 'Wow they broke a window. Anarchist anti-americans!,' 'Wow they kicked someone out of a restaurant. Segregationists!,' 'Wow they're peacefully protesting. Why do you hate our soldiers/police?!', 'Wow they don't want to treat immigrants like shit. You hate real americans!', 'Wow they want healthcare. Socialists commies (???)'. There is no winning.
 
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It must be said, I've spoken to a lot of journalists and reporters in person for many different news organisations, and the one from Vox was definitely the most completely deranged, intellectually dishonest, least professional and bad at her job I've ever encountered, and Vox did not have good editorial processes to stop people like that.
 
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