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Normalisation of 'plus-size' risks hidden danger of obesity, study finds (Read OP)
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Each year we have to get a biometric screening through work for our insurance. My co-worker and I both qualify as obese. I don't think you have to be an 'extreme' athlete for BMI to be off. We just both lift weights. Although I'll readily admit that my co-worker is straight up jacked.
Regulations on shitty food practices.
Like turning the high fructose corn syrup production quota restriction into a fucking outright ban.
And not having the only food some people can afford, be body destroying garbage.
What's the end game here? Should we ban all things that are unhealthy for humans like sugar, butter, alcohol and smoking?
In this context, "athlete" can certainly refer to muscular weight lifters and bodybuilders.
No. And that's really obvious, and this is a massive attempt at false equivalence.
There is a huge difference between those and weaponized for corporafions and crony capitalism versions of things like sugar with high fructose corn syrup.
Hfcs started as a money saving scramble reaction to the artificially inflated prices of sugar, the much healthier (albeit, obviously, still not healthy) original. It turned out to be so cheap and sellable, they have been landing contracts to shove it, in ever increasing amounts into fucking everything.
Your bread
Your noodles
Your processed meals
Your healthy vegetable drinks.
Your lean cusines
Any fucking thing processed.
All this shit, and the health problems that came with it, literally came from rich assholes, making themselves richer, and you can bet your ass they don't eat their own shit.
Cigarettes and alcohol are not smuggled in mass in objects you are not aware of, that you have to squint and check a massive ingredient list in tiny print to catch.
You don't bite into a peice of bread and find a cigarette.
But many do care, especially when it comes to those that don't have a choice in the matter and are reliant upon their parents for nutritional choices. Children of 2 years and up are being classified as obese, setting them up for life to struggle with maintaining a healthy weight. It's tantamount to child abuse.
we should limit. we literally have movie theaters out here selling 1000 calorie sized soda. like thats insane. its like 6 bottles of soda in one cup. Like i love the mini cans of sodas, ice cream etc now because i just get a taste and usually thats all i really needed. but when you have these large sized items (you feel obligated to eat or drink it all) etc.
stuff doesnt have to be banned but stuff should be limited and actually have daily values established for sugar.
This imo is the correct approach. No need to shame people, but do put out official recommendations and in the worst case regulations on sales of portions. Though I guess you'd have insane "LIBERTY OR DEATH!!!!!!!11" people going up in arms over not being able to eat 8000+ kilocalories in one visit to McDonald's, so eh.
I think the soda taxes etc work, at least discourage people from doing it, similar to how they tax cigarettes. Like man the mini soda cans are a godsend to me, then i found out they have these mini ice cream cups and if i have a taste for some ice cream its just enough.
Also eating out sucks nearly all the time because like for example if you buy salmon they are giving you like 3 servings of it in one sitting, or burgers etc i mean i get people want to feel like they are getting more for their money but it all adds up.
Also having smaller plates, cups etc in your house that forces you to have to go back and forth and pour helps a lot.
Also we have a big issue when it comes to food and wasting it and we over eat because of the shame of not finishing our food etc.
Just eat half of your portions and weight will go down except if you are unfortunate and have metabolism problems or mental problems. Then you should seek out a doctor.
I did the first thing over 10 years ago and lost almost half of myself (98kg to 62kg and stay like that to this day. The portions are a big problem and people being ashamed of not finishing food.
I did the first thing over 10 years ago and lost almost half of myself (98kg to 62kg and stay like that to this day. The portions are a big problem and people being ashamed of not finishing food.
Yeah man I know exactly what you're saying. Here in Sweden eating out literally always has me leaving like... half the plate? I can imagine it's even worse in the US. Whenever I eat fast food hamburgers out nowadays I skip the menu and literally order just the hamburger and a cup of water. That's more than enough for me. Just doing these types of adjustments and not forcing myself to finish a plate when I'm already full resulted in me losing 40kg ridiculously fast. Not that I feel particularly better in terms of health or anything if I'm going to be honest, but as far as weight loss for the sake of weight loss goes it sure was effective. Fortunately for me overeating was mostly an intellectual idea where I actually thought I was supposed to eat that much in my case. While I do comfort eat to handle depression at times, the rest of my diet was easy to control. Other people have it way harder with breaking these behaviors even if they know about this stuff :/
yup, just eating less also ive been doing some light fasting (i refuse to eat after 8 PM and thats helped a lot as well.) i want to look into deeper intermittent fasting and get that going as well so i can really be on a good routine. Also making a weekly menu of what to eat stops me a lot from buying stuff to eat while im out as well.
Heh I did the opposite - started skipping breakfast because I noticed there was literally no change in my energy levels one way or the other. Eating lunch and something toward the evening is more than enough food for me in a day. Eating as much now as I did before just boggles my mind. I always feel like shit when I've eaten too much and every time it happens now I just go "whoa... this is how I constantly felt before... jesus christ".
Doing specific diets and following rules about fasting and such never worked for me, I needed to be fast and loose with my approach to this for it to work. Just have some basic ground rules that require little to no actual effort or maintenance was my jam. Everything I tried prior to that I got bored of after a few weeks :P
But yeah, I'm down to literally just buying one snack item whenever I shop groceries (which is usually once a week) as well, so having a tiny plan like that is also good for me. Before I used to buy like... two bags of crisps, some cookies, probably more cookies and a whole Ben & Jerry's. I then spent like 2-3 days only eating that shit before I got to the real food I had purchased, lol. With that in mind it was pretty obvious that yeah, whatever I buy I'm going to instantly eat with zero self-control, so let's just not buy it.
For the record I don't follow my diet strictly at all. If I'm out with friends and someone wants to buy cheesecake, I'll eat the damn cheesecake. Maybe I won't buy two extra pieces though. I don't let my diet control my life because then I would just find it annoying. Honestly hope someone struggling with weight reads this and goes "hey, that's the way I work as well, maybe I'll give this a shot!" I don't want to simplify the issue and I am fully aware that the struggle is really intense for some people for whom this sort of approach just doesn't work, so no offense to anyone in that situation, but for people like me all of this overcomplication of diets and strategies and effort just really put me off from caring to begin with. Just going "oh it's all about caloric intake and setting some ground rules about what stuff to abstain from" was way easier for someone like me than doing all that planning and self-accountability most people talk about.
yeah that makes sense, yeah I just follow general guidelines, like i have one meatless meal a day(usually lunch) and have mainly chicken and seafood(like wild salmon and shrimp) and try to have fruits and veggies.
Another thing ive been doing is finding stuff i liked when i ate out to eat and make a healthier alt at home. its been massively great as well.
Let's go to the two cores of the problem.
Sugar is known as being more addictive than cocaine (already tested in lab rats), and makes sense, because almost every food tastes better with higher content of sugar. Same happen with their derivatives. So sugar is abused by a lot of companies which produce and process foods to increase the comsumption.
Then is the side of the consumer: some people can fall in bad nutrition habits due either physiologic or psychologic addiction to those foods; some other could have inherent stress factors in their environment (bullyng, social isollation... ) which leads to take cover in the same bad habits.
First problem can be solved with education and regulations; the second one requires the will to change, a therapist support, a crucial change in the environment conditions or a mix of all.
Sugar is known as being more addictive than cocaine (already tested in lab rats), and makes sense, because almost every food tastes better with higher content of sugar. Same happen with their derivatives. So sugar is abused by a lot of companies which produce and process foods to increase the comsumption.
Then is the side of the consumer: some people can fall in bad nutrition habits due either physiologic or psychologic addiction to those foods; some other could have inherent stress factors in their environment (bullyng, social isollation... ) which leads to take cover in the same bad habits.
First problem can be solved with education and regulations; the second one requires the will to change, a therapist support, a crucial change in the environment conditions or a mix of all.
US:
Health Care is expensive. Good health care is insanely expensive. Healthy foods are expensive. Living 100% healthy is insanely expensive.
So yeah. It's tough.
Health Care is expensive. Good health care is insanely expensive. Healthy foods are expensive. Living 100% healthy is insanely expensive.
So yeah. It's tough.
In Europe obesity starts 15kilograms above the ideal weight
For example I'm 90kg while I should be 75kg and technically I'm obese
But if you put me aside an American obese, I'm probably half of him
So yeah, if you start very early in the process to call people obese you might save some lives.
They will maybe feel offended, but will thank you later on.
Letting them go, is letting them die
After my kid was born and threat of insulin injections I had to do a lot of changes to my diet. I was at 280 in december last year and now down to 256. The biggest drop was 280 to 262 from december to march. From march to june i lost six pounds at a rate of 2 pounds a month, which was my goal. At any rate my a1c dropped a full point from 7.9 to 6.9 dec to march and I'm waiting for my new results this week. I'm optimistic because my fasting bg goes from 85-107 when I test in the mornings. Much better than finding myself at 150 mg fasting.
I forced myself to eat salads monday wendnesday and friday. From there I told myself to stop shoveling food in my mouth.
Its not easy when you trained yourself to eat a lot for the past 38 years.
Eventually my body adjusted the to the reduced amount of food I eat and I feel fuller easier. But man... Those first 4 months were a bitch.
I still have a long way to go. I don't feel thinner at all but people have stated it and it helps a lot but I don't let it get to my head. I can't slip and I keep watching myself constantly. Its stressful but I do it for my daughter. I want to see her graduate high school one day.
Let me put it this way to be more in context with the OP: Fat shaming never worked on me. I hated being fat but I didn't give a crap what others thought, I still don't. I was one of those forever alone guys in my 20s and I ate what I want and drank all the stupid Mountain Dew I could guzzle. I quit smoking when I met my now wife when I was 30. I got married at 32 and diagnosed with diabetes a year later. The first time I was diagnosed it shocked me and I lost a lot of weight and scared myself to manage it. It worked for a year but old habits die hard. I got lazy. I stress ate a lot and five years after being diagnosed I was about to slip up and start insulin. I knew that would be the end of any chance for be because insulin really doesn't help out with getting rid of fat at all.
Seeing my kid is what did it. Having loving people around me is what caused me to change. Realizing that people do care if I'm around or not is what mattered.
The more you shame someone the more they'll bury themselves further into whatever it is that is concerning, be it fat, drugs, booze, compulsive masturbation. The excuse "I do this to you because I love you" doesn't really work. I dug myself into a hole and I had (still have) to crawl my way out but I'm able to do it because I have a reason to, I have love in my life and its worth it, at least more worth than eating a whole 5 dollar taco bell cravings box with a couple extra tacos on the side.
I forced myself to eat salads monday wendnesday and friday. From there I told myself to stop shoveling food in my mouth.
Its not easy when you trained yourself to eat a lot for the past 38 years.
Eventually my body adjusted the to the reduced amount of food I eat and I feel fuller easier. But man... Those first 4 months were a bitch.
I still have a long way to go. I don't feel thinner at all but people have stated it and it helps a lot but I don't let it get to my head. I can't slip and I keep watching myself constantly. Its stressful but I do it for my daughter. I want to see her graduate high school one day.
Let me put it this way to be more in context with the OP: Fat shaming never worked on me. I hated being fat but I didn't give a crap what others thought, I still don't. I was one of those forever alone guys in my 20s and I ate what I want and drank all the stupid Mountain Dew I could guzzle. I quit smoking when I met my now wife when I was 30. I got married at 32 and diagnosed with diabetes a year later. The first time I was diagnosed it shocked me and I lost a lot of weight and scared myself to manage it. It worked for a year but old habits die hard. I got lazy. I stress ate a lot and five years after being diagnosed I was about to slip up and start insulin. I knew that would be the end of any chance for be because insulin really doesn't help out with getting rid of fat at all.
Seeing my kid is what did it. Having loving people around me is what caused me to change. Realizing that people do care if I'm around or not is what mattered.
The more you shame someone the more they'll bury themselves further into whatever it is that is concerning, be it fat, drugs, booze, compulsive masturbation. The excuse "I do this to you because I love you" doesn't really work. I dug myself into a hole and I had (still have) to crawl my way out but I'm able to do it because I have a reason to, I have love in my life and its worth it, at least more worth than eating a whole 5 dollar taco bell cravings box with a couple extra tacos on the side.
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Fat people just need encouragement. As do most people stuck in a vice.
Its a but harder to stay healthy in america because everything is so big, but this applies to everywhere else in the world.
Healthy foods being expensive is a myth. I'm not talking about expensive gluten free, organ non GMO stuff, but simple healthy meals that will both be cheaper and healthier than fast food.
Make some pasta with tomato sauce, throw some frozen peas & corn and baby you got a stew going. Eggs, super cheap.
You can cook stuff yourself that tastes way better than a McRib and is cheaper (stretched over a few meals), but it takes effort and people will make all kinds of excuses to not make an effort. It's ridiculous the lengths we go to tell ourselves x, y, and z is too hard. Anyway, I'm not directing this at you (unless you're arguing this for yourself?). I'm just frustrated because I run into this same argument with my sister. She's always been pretty hefty, but recently she blew up to over 200lbs and she's only 5'2". In part it's due to medication she takes for her transplant (though it's supposed to stabilize after a year which she is far past), but mostly it's just her shitty eating habits and excuses. She's got gestational diabetes now and STILL eats at McDonalds because she's 'hungry/doesn't want to cook/it tastes better/it's convinient' BS.
Stop eating is a solution. You literally have to not eat. I will never understand this I'm afraid on an emotional level, I do get the biological reasons.
Just stop eating, I myself have to force myself to eat because eating is a hassle to me. Emotionally I can't understand not being able to stop wasting time on food.
No, I mind.
Please go to a mental health practitioner. You don't have to slowly kill yourself.
It is just an excuse. My dad was fat and inactive and had a horrendous diet that I picked up on but I eventually chose to completely change it
Nah it's not about price.
It's about ease/laziness. Getting junk food = no effort, cooking a meal = effort.
Meanwhile, in the real world, women get attacked for not being sticks. This "body positivity being rampant" thing seems like such a myth to me.
(PS: I am massively underweight myself, I keep second guessing every damn meal because of that, and my doctor keeps telling me at every visit that I look like a skeleton and should eat more, as do some nicer coworkers)
To be honest, the rampant attacks on women for their weight is a large factor IN CAUSING OBESITY. If one feels like shit, guess what one does? Either undereat or overeat. Depression causing that isn't new. Attacking people for their weight is the last thing that helps.
Being cruel isn't the solution. You're the cause of the problem. And the mere fact that you think it's on you to dictate what is healthy for others is arrogance of the highest caliber.
The actual solution is healthier foods, regulations against all the shit we keep adding to the food poor people can afford, and less attacking people for their looks, but instead support for their mental health issues.
(PS: I am massively underweight myself, I keep second guessing every damn meal because of that, and my doctor keeps telling me at every visit that I look like a skeleton and should eat more, as do some nicer coworkers)
To be honest, the rampant attacks on women for their weight is a large factor IN CAUSING OBESITY. If one feels like shit, guess what one does? Either undereat or overeat. Depression causing that isn't new. Attacking people for their weight is the last thing that helps.
Being cruel isn't the solution. You're the cause of the problem. And the mere fact that you think it's on you to dictate what is healthy for others is arrogance of the highest caliber.
The actual solution is healthier foods, regulations against all the shit we keep adding to the food poor people can afford, and less attacking people for their looks, but instead support for their mental health issues.
I'm pretty lazy so I usually make myself a pot of of food for during the week. A lot of times its stews / Donburi topping or chillies etc packed with veggies and purposely low salt etc. Tastes way better than anything from Mcdonalds and I'm not an amazing cook, but can follow a recipe. And I get a whole weeks dinners for about $25 - 30 here in Japan which is pretty decent.
The problem with fat shaming is that it's most often used to put down other people. It reinforces the toxic idea that looks determines your self worth, as shown in modern media.
We need to turn this into a health issue instead of a looks issue. We tell them that we want them to be healthy and feel better.
We need to turn this into a health issue instead of a looks issue. We tell them that we want them to be healthy and feel better.
Sugar is a good thing to tax, not fat (But I'm guessing you were talking about an idea, as opposed to slabs of butter)
In Australia they're taxing high sugar food at the moment, lolly water like Coke and Lemonade are getting taxed the hardest and hopefully that money will be used to fund health care for diet related disease.
In a few years check back to see if it has improved anything.
Btw: 120kg 195cm
Yeah. I heard that apparently the sugar industry made a huge PR campaign to lay the blame on fat to take the flak off them. It worked disgustingly well.
yea an entire head of lettuce costs 99cents near me, if you cut that up and it starts a very large container of salad
99cents for a bag of baby carrots, cut that up and throw it in
1.50$ for a bunch of celery, cut that up and throw it in
put some salad dressing on it, absolutely delicious
for just 3.50$ you can have like 4x largish bowls of tasty salad
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