I think you understood it just fine. Tune in to s3! Basically.
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Luke Cage | Season 2 on Netflix | 6/22/18 (Spoiler tagged discussion)
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I think you understood it just fine. Tune in to s3! Basically.
Tells you how much I know. I knew that the uncle was African and is the guy that plays doomfist In overwatch, so I knew that his was inauthentic, but I really thought Bushmaster was real! Really??! Mind blown.
Edit - Yoooooooo. Just saw an interview with the actor. I've clearly been away from the east coast far too long. I'm so used to not being around accents of the diaspora anymore that I'm totally out of touch. I'm a little floored right now. Feel VERY disconnected.
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I am on episode 10 and I gotta say Mariah Stokes is probably the most vicious comic book villain I have witnessed on television. like damn. This lady made me feel bad for Bushmaster. like wtf
One day we will get a Marvel TV show that isn't 50% pointless/boring "character building" soap-opera with Claire at the center of it all.
I actually like it when they use characters from other shows sparingly as cross over/cameos, but I zone out so often when they go all in on the family drama crap.
I actually like it when they use characters from other shows sparingly as cross over/cameos, but I zone out so often when they go all in on the family drama crap.
A guy I work with called me over and was like "YO! I USED TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH THIS GUY!"
At least they wrote her out of the show fairly quickly this time.
I hope she doesn't die. Alfre Woodard is a beast, and honestly out of all the marvel tv shows she is the most deserving of a nomination.
Not really a fan of how the season ended.
Bushmaster just bailing and going home felt a little rushed, and then Luke taking over as the king of crime just feels like something that's 100% going to be undone almost immediately next season. The Iron Fist episode was fun, though. Danny finally seems to be in a spot where he isn't a total waste of screen time.
This isn't The Flash. And with the poor pacing of Netflix shows that everyone always complains about, it's even more doubtful that it'd be immediately undone lol
I also don't think Crime Boss Luke is a compelling arc overall. It runs counter to everything Luke stands for and they can't have Luke be his own antithesis for an entire season. They're basically doing Mob Boss Daredevil but with Luke Cage when they should be moving toward Heroes for Hire.
I think they can make it work. He obviously won't be in that position for the entire season and I'm interested in how they'd handle it. After this season I think the writing team has earned a little good will.
We'll just have to see, yeah.
If Tilda starts turning people into werewolves next season, I am going to laugh so hard it might kill me.
Finished the season. Really really liked it, although I have liked pretty much everything Marvel Netflix except for the back half of Daredevil season 2 and the Defenders (I think the character of Electric Nachos is just poison at this point, really hope they don't bring her back in Daredevil). Anyway, I'll spoiler my thoughts on the stuff I liked...
Regarding the ending, really was not expecting them to set up
The only other thought I have is that they really need to bring Gabriel Luna and his Charger to Hell's Kitchen (or give him a Netflix show doing whatever the fuck in LA or anywhere else for that matter). Letting that portrayal go to waste would be a real shame. That character would thrive if he was given this kind of treatment.
- The Luke/Danny team up episode was fucking ace and I am bummed he didn't stick around. Just give us a damn Heroes for Hire show.
- That said, the real hypest moment came with Coleen and Misty. Can we give those two a spin off show please?
- Black Mariah and Bushmaster were both terrific villains.
- Shades was the MVP of the season and far and away my favorite character. I hope Kingpin gets him out of jail or something, I need to see more of him.
- Foggy is fantastic in everything.
- Seeing Luke hulk out when arguing with Claire. They did a great job of making Cage a layered character which makes the ending not feel like it came out of left field.
Regarding the ending, really was not expecting them to set up
Shadow Land with Luke Cage at the center. More than a tad unfortunate if this is the route they end up going for the next season of Defenders, making the only main protagonist of color the villain. This is what happens when you don't cultivate diversity in your shows.
The only other thought I have is that they really need to bring Gabriel Luna and his Charger to Hell's Kitchen (or give him a Netflix show doing whatever the fuck in LA or anywhere else for that matter). Letting that portrayal go to waste would be a real shame. That character would thrive if he was given this kind of treatment.
God I hope that happens. I would die laughing in the best way possible. The reality will probably be her selling stuff to the other gangs, in return for Harlem, so they won't fear retaliation from Cage.
Finished it, second half was definitely better and the ending actually got me interested in the next season.
I think I liked the gangster stuff better in season 1:
Regarding Luke:
Regarding Misty:
I think I liked the gangster stuff better in season 1:
I liked how cottonmouth was basically completely incompetent as a badguy, it made it kinda funny and different than a lot of crime shows. First half of this season it was SO much about Mariah wanting to go legit, but you basically know ahead of time there's no way that's happening (like any superhero show where the hero "Gives up" being the hero when you know they're going to put the suit back on eventually, only with the villain this time).
I found that a lot of it this season just dragged on and on and on. I liked Shades a lot this season, but he didn't have a ton to do until you start to learn more about him and Camanche and after he starts to crack after killing him.
I found that a lot of it this season just dragged on and on and on. I liked Shades a lot this season, but he didn't have a ton to do until you start to learn more about him and Camanche and after he starts to crack after killing him.
Regarding Luke:
I didn't feel like he had all that much of a character arc over the season. He learned to be LITTLE less angry over time, which was never a major issue with him in the first place. Other than that he realized that beating up drug dealers/makers isn't going to solve crime (in the span or like one or two episodes). The dumb fakeout at the end with him turning down the club at the will reading only to suddenly be running it and having every criminal in the world as guests didn't feel that earned. Either have him say "yeah I'll take it and make it a place for good" and then hint that he's getting a little corrupt, doing it the way they did just made it feel like a pretty important turning point for Luke's character was made off-camera.
Regarding Misty:
Still love her character! But I definitely hope they up the budget for her robot arm next season. That cheap/fake looking robo arm was just the worst. And why does it look like it has a red button by the thumb and then not have it do anything? I was hoping for cool shit like electric shocks or a rocket punch or something.
Just finished this. Really enjoyed it overall. Way better than S1, especially the latter half. Alfre Woodard was absolutely phenomenal in each and every episode. Talk about chewing scenery...
made it through ep 11. ep 10 was dope. the thing that I just don't like about this series, despite the highs, is that the Stokes family is evil beyond reason or redemption. Is the entire family psychopathic? The initial incident that started the family war is totally on the Stokes being evil as hell. There's no grey. Bushmaster's only problem is that he didn't like Cage being a competing Alpha. That aside, all sympathies should've totally gone to Bushmaster. I just don't get why this was written in such a blatantly evil one-sided way.
As it stands, there's NO salvation or fun in Stokes.
As it stands, there's NO salvation or fun in Stokes.
He's the leader of the Stylers. Who are a massive gang. He murders several people including one of his own guys because they disagreed with how he wanted to go about things. He's definitely tragic and a product of the Stokes evil but he's not a good person, even slightly.
Those Luke/Danny scenes were too damn much. They're both so awful. The actress that plays Nandi is awful too.
I really hate Shades and that stupid face of his. I hated him in season one too. I just can't take him serious at all.
Alfre Woodard is amazing. I can't believe how evil she got out in episode 10 after episode 9.
Her capture made no damn sense at all.
I really hate Shades and that stupid face of his. I hated him in season one too. I just can't take him serious at all.
Alfre Woodard is amazing. I can't believe how evil she got out in episode 10 after episode 9.
I must be a simpleton or have bad ears because the accents aren't bad imo, but then again I don't hear anything wrong with Benedict's American accent while many say it's awful.
I dunno if I liked that ending or not.
Luke says he's gonna burn it all down... next shot the club is open and he's in charge?
Finished the season last night. My thoughts:
* At one point in the second half of the season it felt like the show was getting really repetitive with people constantly getting arrested and leaving custody again. It felt like the premise of the whole show at times.
* The episode with Danny Rand wasn't terrible, but the acting was stilted as hell. Their conversation after their chinese meal was cringingly unnatural. Zero chemistry.
* The bit where the female detective went to the badguy to get the reward money was just so ridiculous and seemed totally out of character. It's like they decided to write a different character for her for that episode.
* Bad guy was ace (as was his uncle).
* Shades was a really interesting character for the most part, but at every turn I was asking myself why the hell he was interested in Mariah. Also regarding the repetitiveness, it seemed like every scene was just them having a conversation about what to do next, then having a kiss.
* Mariah: They should have killed her off in prison - this shit's getting ridiculous now. The trouble with these series is that there's always a bad guy that comes back like 3 or 4 times and by the end you're just sick of it, it becomes rote. When she starting dealing with the drugs near the end I was rolling my eyes. If they insist on there being 13 episodes, they should build up the character's rise and fall more, take their time with it instead of making it happen over and over again.
* Some of the dialogue was cringingly bad and cliched.
* Misty was consistently good throughout.
* Luke is turning bad now: The ending was interesting - I thought it was pretty well done how the writers got Luke to start on a path to the dark side by basically making him arbiter over the crime lord's activities in and around Harlem. It made sense and was true to his character. Pretty good writing there.
OVERALL
My memory is clearly shot to shit as I can't remember most of the character's names. However, it was just about worth watching and I will be in for season 3.
* The episode with Danny Rand wasn't terrible, but the acting was stilted as hell. Their conversation after their chinese meal was cringingly unnatural. Zero chemistry.
* The bit where the female detective went to the badguy to get the reward money was just so ridiculous and seemed totally out of character. It's like they decided to write a different character for her for that episode.
* Bad guy was ace (as was his uncle).
* Shades was a really interesting character for the most part, but at every turn I was asking myself why the hell he was interested in Mariah. Also regarding the repetitiveness, it seemed like every scene was just them having a conversation about what to do next, then having a kiss.
* Mariah: They should have killed her off in prison - this shit's getting ridiculous now. The trouble with these series is that there's always a bad guy that comes back like 3 or 4 times and by the end you're just sick of it, it becomes rote. When she starting dealing with the drugs near the end I was rolling my eyes. If they insist on there being 13 episodes, they should build up the character's rise and fall more, take their time with it instead of making it happen over and over again.
* Some of the dialogue was cringingly bad and cliched.
* Misty was consistently good throughout.
* Luke is turning bad now: The ending was interesting - I thought it was pretty well done how the writers got Luke to start on a path to the dark side by basically making him arbiter over the crime lord's activities in and around Harlem. It made sense and was true to his character. Pretty good writing there.
OVERALL
My memory is clearly shot to shit as I can't remember most of the character's names. However, it was just about worth watching and I will be in for season 3.
Just finished the season. Talk about swinging for the fences! Despite some of the batshit crazy turns and some really AWFUL dialogue scattered early on, I've gotta say that this ended up being far more epic than it had any right to be. Cage season 2 had some outstanding performances. Alfre chewed up the screen whenever she could, Shades was amazing through the end, and I just can't call out all of the brilliant performances here. There were some truly captivating monologues and character moments here that felt more like theater than modern television.
And that soundtrack is god tier.
The writers took the time to flesh out nearly every character, tidy every mess - with one exception: Tilda. Her turn, or at least what's looking like her turn by the series end - just doesn't feel right. Its tough to swallow unless you roll with the premise that evil is hereditary - which is just absurd.
Regardless, this is the only Marvel series I've finished other than DD season 1 and Luke Cage season 1 (not including Runaways). This is, for my money, the best acted, the fullest story, the best paced, and the greatest payoff. Whether there's a season 3 or not, this series will definitely linger in most people's memories. Hopefully for the right reasons.
IGN's 4.5 is absurd.
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This season made it for me because of Bushmaster. Also when Rosario Dawnson is gone.
This season has to climax episode 9 and then episode 12, but the season just keeps going.
Tilda and Harlem's Paradise that's out of character but I'm glad they went with the decision at the end.
It's a good follow up season. Season could have condensed and put that money in production.
This season has to climax episode 9 and then episode 12, but the season just keeps going.
Tilda and Harlem's Paradise that's out of character but I'm glad they went with the decision at the end.
It's a good follow up season. Season could have condensed and put that money in production.
The thing with patois is that when Jamaicans deep in the rural areas speak that shit, like, Jamaicans from the "bush" (the type of Jamaican I assume the writers wanted "Bushmaster" to be identified as, though admittedly, he's predicated on a comic book character) - not even Jamaicans they share the island with can understand half of that shit. You try to interpret what you can through context; kind of like a Spanish speaking Colombian or Mexican trying to interpret Portuguese from a Brazilian.
In this show, it's pretty evident that the writing staff had some Jamaicans involved or at least people familiar with the more common strains of the vernacular which is much more than I can say for most representations of Jamaicans I've seen in American media. But the dialogue is clearly written to be acted by non-Jamaicans and interpreted by an American audience. If you watch the Jamaican scenes with Close Caption on, they often even translate some of the dialect.
For someone like me, it's like nails on chalkboard.
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I know where you're coming from. My family's from Nigeria, and until Black Panther, I'd get *pissed*whenever ANY American actor attempted an African Accent. If the movie didn't at least try to have Djimon Hounsou in it, instant annoy from me. Panther's accents weren't perfect, but they were an improvement by a mile because they legit tried. I had to give them some props.
Maybe that's what I'm reacting to with Cage. Normally island accents are soooo bad because they don't even care to try. Lol...maybe now they're .0001% closer! I can see how it would be grating!
So I'm misinterpreting your post as revealing that Bushmaster fails in his plan to overthrow Mariah and gets severely punished as a result?
1. not telling you. watch the show for yourself
2. I haven't finished the show so I have no idea.
3. if you are Really worried about spoilers you should avoid most of the post here as not only do they mention certain plot points, but the exact episode they happen.
all I am saying on that peace.
edit: ty lord for the ignore button
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Spoilers are tagged with the appropriate episode so people know which ones are and aren't safe to click on.
Your post was careless. Please be more considerate in the future.