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Waypoint: CDPR Won't Commit to Gender Fluidity in ‘Cyberpunk 2077’ (Yet)
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Perceiving yourself as a man, or perceiving yourself as a woman.
Are you a man? Or are you a woman?
How you answer that question is the gender you perceive yourself as.
edit: Also I feel like this is a trapping of English becoming a lingua franca more than anything. My native language, Turkish, doesn't have gendered grammar or pronouns at all, so these problems wouldn't exist in any Turkish translation haha
Man I responded but due to Era acting slow it didn't post and I need to redo it. Anyway.
Now I have no idea how they do their dialogue voice acting. Would they record dialogue twice, one for male pronouns, and one for female pronouns? Or do they have some technique that allows to record a generic line and input different sound bites for male and female pronouns? If they do the latter then they could in theory just record all the non-binary pronouns and implement it through there.
If not, then the next best choice would be to just give an option at character creation of which pronoun will be played (male/female, assuming the only recorded the two) but then I would if this would only be seen as paying lip service to some non-binary and not all? Which arguably could cause more problems but would be better than nothing at all but then that's kind of a shitty way to put it ("better than nothing?").
I'm obviously writing this a Cis(?) person and so I'm not super aware of all the different pronouns so I'm only giving my two cents on a feasibility on what the work would look like.
Another question is if the game even says your gender at all. Some games just use whatever your characters title is and always refer to them by that or just using, "they", "them" and so on. Obviously people who saw the demo can probably give a better idea on how that works out.
It's exactly what it sounds like. Do you like a man? Do you feel like a woman? Do you feel like neither? Do you feel like both?
And it can be very complicated for someone to figure that out.
Yeah its voiced. Don't know if you'll be able to choose your voice (would be nice). But it seems like both male or female V's have set voice actors.
Most likely due to them actually trying to get the game out this decade.
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What games actually do this that are on a comparable scope to Cyberpunk?
This seems like nothing more than a way to throw those wacky racist intolerant polaks under the bus for something no one else in the AAA RPG space does anyway.
This seems like nothing more than a way to throw those wacky racist intolerant polaks under the bus for something no one else in the AAA RPG space does anyway.
Cyberpunk as a genre commonly deals with themes about the concepts of transhumanism, human identity, and what it means to be human. In a world where technology is so advanced and common that anyone can radically augment and transform their body to whatever they wish to express, themes of gender and sexual identity are naturally going to pop up as human are creatures of immense curiosity.
It's not easy, but it's not impossible. By this logic, games wouldn't even exist, since everything is so hard.
But the question is, is CD trying to tell that story through the protagonist? or through the game world itself? There's a difference and we don't know if it will be apart of the whole experience or not and i''m sure CD doesn't know. Especially since despite it maybe being a thematic sub element of the genre, it's not really exclusive explored in Cyberpunk 2020.
My straight white dudes. It's really as simple as including a wider selection of pronouns. Or even just they/them. Gender neutral dialogue would be great. Literally that's the bare minimum CDPR could do, but the primary obstacle is y'all complaining the mere suggestion of representation in a damn cyberpunk game
I really don't see how it's reasonable to expect the entire game to be voiced multiple times over.
The character customization will probably already be pretty diverse given the genre, and the pronoun problem is pre-solved because the main character has a name. Hopefully not much more work will be needed to accomplish a satisfactory result.
imo: you are, physically (aside from some extraordinarily rare exceptions), either one or the other. mentally/spiritually/emotionally? again, what does 'feeling like a man' or 'feeling like a woman' actually mean? is the fact i'm a man mean that i'm stuck 'feeling like a man', &, if so, how precisely different is that from 'feeling like a woman'? what does feeling like one sex or another mean? isn't this just a case of gross generalization? me feeling like all men feel, whatever that means, because i am one? :) ...
It's hard to keep up when the rules keep changing so often lol
Seems like people are expecting a hell of a lot from CDPR. I feel bad for them honestly. A lot of people will be dissapointed in their creation(lack of third person for example, now this) though hopefully the same people can respect their decisions. So much pressure on them its insane and while I trust their creation will be a masterpiece I have a feeling this insane hype about it will destroy some peoples hopes when it comes out. Hopefully they can show us some gameplay soon enough just to put things in perspective.
I completely agree that up until this point. I don't think it's fair to tell devs who had articles recently about strenuous work conditions what is and is not "worthy of more work" I support the inclusion of this option, but will leave it up to them if they do choose to implement it. There will be no criticism from me if they choose not to because I think it's very condescending to tell a studio known for its crazy crunch "It can't be that hard" LGBTQ representation is important to me, but so is fighting this growing epedemic of "Gamer Entitlement".
I'm all for this being included but I wish people would stop saying things like "Just add a slider". It really is a dundering way to talk about what would be involved in adding these options within the context of the games they have made in the past (Going off The Witcher series). They aren't Bioware, at least in terms of customization. I hope they figure it out though because I understand how important customization is especially in an RPG.
Bioware was able to have 2 sets of voices for male and female in Dragon Age Inquisition so... maybe i expect CDPR to be better than bioware (which lets be honest isnt hard and we all know CDPR is easily capable of doing that)
Does a gender slider make sense though? Like would someone say "i'm 80% male and 20% female", or would they want to be a completely unique gender? I'm not asking that in a combative way, just trying to visualize what this would look like in-game. The trans and intersex people I'm friends with want to be identified as male or female so unfortunately my experience is a bit limited.
What do you think gender identity is? And do you feel that trans identities are valid? Is a transwoman a woman in your eyes?
Wat is this? this is a conflated fallacy, if i've ever seen one.
lol
Fascinating to see if it happens, even with this ideal slider system, do NPCs who just met you still refer to you as he/she until you let them know? Do they just start referring to you as "they" over time? How would they know to do this if you never share that info?
A problem I can see with this is translating the game. Let's say they include a gender neutral option ("they" in English). Now they want to translate the game into Spanish. Gender neutral pronouns straight up do not exist, and almost every adjetive references the gender of the person. (example: tall is "alto" for men and "alta" for women). How would the translation team handle this? They might as well kill themselves lol
Not saying the option shouldn't exist, just saying it's not as easy as you might think.
It would be absolutely fantastic if they manage to do it, though.
Not saying the option shouldn't exist, just saying it's not as easy as you might think.
It would be absolutely fantastic if they manage to do it, though.
It would be more work, to represent a small percentage of the market, but I think that they should do it. I think that CDPR needs to think long and hard about whether they want Cyberpunk to be the full transhuman experience or just an aesthetic wrapper for a generic sci-fi D&D campaign. Anything that can separate them from Deus Ex comparisons, whether through mechanics, lore, or representation, is something worth pursuing.
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