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Bernie Sanders, Pelosi and Schumer Find Common Ground: SHS should be allowed to Dine in Peace
- Thread starter excelsiorlef
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"Identity politics"
Plenty of non-white people were on board for Bernard
There it is, a real Bernie stan showing their true colors when it comes to race.
Do you understand what a protest is or do you just pretend to understand? Can you square how much you sound like the very people just a few decades ago who shamed black people for holding sit ins, marches and demonstrations? The Trump Administration doesn't need galvanization. It already plans to commit atrocities no matter how nice we are to them. Protest is disruptive and uncomfortable. The protests of the Civil Rights Movement were for the sake of publicly showing solidarity for the marginalized and as a signal to the oppressors that black Americans didn't plan to take abuse lying down. SHS works for the people and the employees at Red Hen wanted to send a message to her, Trump and the rest of the GOP that they shouldn't expect to dehumanize LGBTQ+ people, revel in corruption, support the NRA and in turn enable mass shootings, abuse minorities, and jail children without their lives getting difficult and uncomfortable in response to their inhumanity. You, Thisman, Bernie, Pelosi and on try to characterize actions like this as childish or useless but all you're doing is telling people they should take a beating with a smile. And don't fucking bring up voting again. Nothing about this action is done in place of voting. No one at the Red Hen said they wouldn't vote and just wanted to annoy SHS. You can vote and express openly and loudly your dissatisfaction with this administration at the same time.
Yes it's "identity politics" fault, huh? Black people, LGBTQ+ people and women just hated him for being a cis white male because they're so obsessed with "identity politics"? You do know HIllary was frequently called out and held to account for her previous comments and views on black people as well right?
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What is the "line" then
Are you saying we are beyond the point of potential breakdown
What does it take to spurn a revolutionary level of response from the populance?
I thought a Nazi running over a kid would have been populance outrage worthy but America is just on too solid of ground right? Not even Thousands dead that could have been saved was enough. Hell lets roll innocent children into the mix
Maybe we are so scared to take real action because we dont have the courage to risk what those before us did to enact real change. We dont feel its neccessary. I mean most of us still got it pretty good right? Even the whole world has it better now than ever in history so no reason for alarm! Cant save em all and progress must be inevitable. Play the long game
Am I doing this right?
EDIT: The above response is mostly emotional. Its frustrating to see civil disobedience compared to anarchy. Still would love to modern civil revolution take place to combat this madness
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My mistake.
And we have evidence that no pushback brings zero results. Time to up the pressure until we can stop this train.
It's civil disobedience in the sense that it's an unorthodox way for a restaurant to handle a customer. Restaurants generally don't give you a first-hand-experience of the values the owner/host/staff holds.
You might be interpreting civil disobedience in another way than how it is commonly talked about. Civil disobedience, in this context, is generally seen as the act of a civilian perfoming an unorthodox- and sometimes illegal - action because of sincerely held moral convictions.
This is probably not a great definition, and in this particular case, what happened wasn't illegal. But what did happen was civil disobedience in the way that it deviated pretty radically from how a restaurant host would generally treat a customer, and was motivated by sincerely held convictions.
Not to necessarily be a corrective, but the wikipedia-page for civil disobedience is pretty good and well-written:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience
By the way, we can still vote while we are getting in their faces. Don't have to give up one for the other.
And in my opinion if we don't get up and push back hard right now, in a few years that voting option will be worthless. We can see how it is being neutered already.
And in my opinion if we don't get up and push back hard right now, in a few years that voting option will be worthless. We can see how it is being neutered already.
Posting this Citations Needed podcast episode (Episode 40: The Civility Fetish) along with clips from the transcript because it really highlights how disengenuine this whole call for civility is:
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Yup, every revolution is "uncivil" because it upsets a shitty status quo. I hope this is really the start of something against the Trump admin, I'm really getting infuriatingly frustrated with their bullshit.
What their statements should have been:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/maxine-waters-face-democrats-trump/story?id=56167909
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/maxine-waters-face-democrats-trump/story?id=56167909
There really can't be any more of this while camps are being built and Republicans continue to consolidate power.
Holy shit. When it comes to seeing what you want to see, this is today's winner.
I thought this was an interesting article titled "Fuck Civility"
...many Democrats and many in the media are still living in an alternate universe where decorum will somehow save the day.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b31ad0de4b0b5e692f0c7b8
...many Democrats and many in the media are still living in an alternate universe where decorum will somehow save the day.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b31ad0de4b0b5e692f0c7b8
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Sanders is not someone high on my list of who to ask how to win anything
Act like a nazi, get treated like a nazi.
authoritarianism and white supremacy are core values of the republican party and have been for quite some time now.
she's not some clerk in a low government office just trying to earn a paycheck and keep her head down. she's the propaganda mouthpiece of an aspiring dictator and should be treated as the legitimately evil person she is. Anyone else in a leadership role in this administration and arguably any republican elected official or appointed judge deserves the same level of scorn.
authoritarianism and white supremacy are core values of the republican party and have been for quite some time now.
she's not some clerk in a low government office just trying to earn a paycheck and keep her head down. she's the propaganda mouthpiece of an aspiring dictator and should be treated as the legitimately evil person she is. Anyone else in a leadership role in this administration and arguably any republican elected official or appointed judge deserves the same level of scorn.
that's a good phrase.
Republicans don't have a monopoly on racism.
Some racists pursue otherwise progressive ideals because their racism makes them feel guilty and they want to pursue other just causes as a counter-balance to that... while still taking in lobbyist dollars from the same donors who sponsor their political rivals and championing the greatness of civility and the status quo.
Really weird coincidence, isn't it, that the people mostly like to tell you to sit down and shut up, be they rude or cordial, have no real skin in the game.
I'm glad they agree, but this is so fucking irrelevant. I shouldn't be hearing about this fucking story 3-4-5-6- a week later.
I still think Democrats would be smart to make "Liberty and Justice For All" to be their campaign slogans for 2018 and 2020. The patriotism card is powerful and conceded to Republicans too often.
When the orange cunt got elected we were told on the other forum how we need to be polite to racist to show them the error of their ways. Now when fucking families are torn apart, children kept it cages we are told the same fucking shit, surely something is not right?
Yep, lecture circuit on gaf was vomit inducing after the election.
The moderate blowhards stroking each other as they scolded us to be nice to piece of shit human beings.
It's not fucking "disagreeing" when you're talking about violations of human rights and atrocities, for fucks sake. Shunning people is how you peaceably protest against acts of evil. These fuckers should be grateful it's only at that level and not far worse, frankly.
My fellow white liberals being so civil as others are losing everything.
So fucking pathetic. And eventually that hand is going to reach for you. You have given them every notion that you will not resist.
So fucking pathetic. And eventually that hand is going to reach for you. You have given them every notion that you will not resist.
I swear, The Onion is the only thing keeping me sane at the moment.
Great. Very good. Cool. This is how you energize a base. Looking forwards to Trump's second term.
It's almost as if the media thrives on selectively sensationalizing outrage
That poster may have been exaggerating, but Bernie has been nothing short of embarrassing.
Weak and soft is not what we need.
I haven't watched MSNBC, CNN or anything of the likes since the fucking Rosanne shit wouldn't stop. I've just been reading and following politicians social medias, so it annoys me to hear that TV keeps playing this old news filth.
I understand this whole "they go low, we go high" thing, but to be honest? This entire incident isn't exactly "low" for us anti-trump.
I mean, the owner politely asked Sanders to leave after her staff expressed their displeasure serving Sanders, they didn't even charge Sanders for the things they did consume. There was no verbal insult hurled at SHS, all was civil... Until SHS went on Twitter to complain that she was being disrespected; lying about the person who treated her with respect is the way she shows that respect of hers.
I mean, the owner politely asked Sanders to leave after her staff expressed their displeasure serving Sanders, they didn't even charge Sanders for the things they did consume. There was no verbal insult hurled at SHS, all was civil... Until SHS went on Twitter to complain that she was being disrespected; lying about the person who treated her with respect is the way she shows that respect of hers.
As much as I dislike Sarah Huckabee Sanders for being such a vile person, I am inclined to agree with Sanders, Pelosi and Schumer.
"When they go low, we go high."-Michelle Oboma.
"When they go low, we go high."-Michelle Oboma.
and when we go high they'll continue to game the system and make our politics more and more irrelevant to the point that we no longer have any say. but at least we went high and that's what really matters.
they go low we go high is naive. and anyone who espouses this is an enemy of our way of life.
