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GYODX

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Oct 27, 2017
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I took a couple of hours away from all the news and politics and I'm still feeling so pissed off...

Republicans spent 8 years being the party of 'no', with Republican leaders breaking and shitting on every single unwritten rule and precedent just because we had the gall to elect a black man as President. And even today, even as they've elected a racist and a literal fascist, Democratic leaders are STILL preaching good-faith politics. Fuck good-faith politics. When/if Democrats have any sort of power again, I want us to be 10x as unrelenting and ruthless as Republicans. I will not forgive or forget what Republicans have done in my lifetime.

End rant.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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I took a couple of hours away from all the news and politics and I'm still feeling so pissed off...

Republicans spent 8 years being the party of 'no', with Republican leaders breaking and shitting on every single unwritten rule and precedent just because we had the gall to elect a black man as President. And even today, even as they've elected a racist and a literal fascist, Democratic leaders are STILL preaching good-faith politics. Fuck good-faith politics. When/if Democrats have any sort of power again, I want us to be 10x as unrelenting and ruthless as Republicans. I will not forgive or forget what Republicans have done in my lifetime.

End rant.
That message isn't aimed at you.
 

Dr. Benton Quest

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Fuck good-faith politics. When/if Democrats have any sort of power again, I want us to be 10x as unrelenting and ruthless as Republicans. I will not forgive or forget what Republicans have done in my lifetime.
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It's going to be "Don't boo, vote" part two, and "they go low, we go high" and civility and eight years of insisting on "bipartisanship" and gee I thought Comey was going to do the right thing, and gee I should have told you about Trump and Russia, and they shouldn't have taken the supreme court nomination but here's why I did nothing (and perhaps you should, too).

I don't see how this is going to motivate Democrats who aren't already motivated at this point. And in the absence of a Mueller conclusion it's just going to rehash what he did and didn't know before the election and during the transition.

Sorry, I don't see how this is going to help. Obama isn't on the ballot, and no one is in the mood for "I tried" or "I told you so."
 

RustyNails

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You laugh but Hannity knows what he's doing. It's a list of words that trigger his base. It's designed to make them recoil in fear and anger about how the LGBTQ army is about to destroy their America with AOC as their leader while ushering in an age of socialism. I say that with a straight face because conservatives have been playing this fear card for the past 60 years and we shouldn't be surprised.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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You laugh but Hannity knows what he's doing. It's a list of words that trigger his base. It's designed to make them recoil in fear and anger about how the LGBTQ army is about to destroy their America with AOC as their leader while ushering in an age of socialism. I say that with a straight face because conservatives have been playing this fear card for the past 60 years and we shouldn't be surprised.
Yeah but "support seniors" seems like a weird fearmongering tactic considering his audience is predominantly geriatric
 
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It's going to be "Don't boo, vote" part two, and "they go low, we go high" and civility and eight years of insisting on "bipartisanship" and gee I thought Comey was going to do the right thing, and gee I should have told you about Trump and Russia, and they shouldn't have taken the supreme court nomination but here's why I did nothing (and perhaps you should, too).

I don't see how this is going to motivate Democrats who aren't already motivated at this point. And in the absence of a Mueller conclusion it's just going to rehash what he did and didn't know before the election and during the transition.

Sorry, I don't see how this is going to help. Obama isn't on the ballot, and no one is in the mood for "I tried" or "I told you so."
Yeah, really not in the mood to hear "Don't boo, vote" anymore.
 

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It's going to be "Don't boo, vote" part two, and "they go low, we go high" and civility and eight years of insisting on "bipartisanship" and gee I thought Comey was going to do the right thing, and gee I should have told you about Trump and Russia, and they shouldn't have taken the supreme court nomination but here's why I did nothing (and perhaps you should, too).

I don't see how this is going to motivate Democrats who aren't already motivated at this point. And in the absence of a Mueller conclusion it's just going to rehash what he did and didn't know before the election and during the transition.

Sorry, I don't see how this is going to help. Obama isn't on the ballot, and no one is in the mood for "I tried" or "I told you so."
Even if there's a Mueller conclusion, Trump could just pardon himself, courts could say it was okay, and his voters would say fake news.
 
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It's going to be "Don't boo, vote" part two, and "they go low, we go high" and civility and eight years of insisting on "bipartisanship" and gee I thought Comey was going to do the right thing, and gee I should have told you about Trump and Russia, and they shouldn't have taken the supreme court nomination but here's why I did nothing (and perhaps you should, too).

I don't see how this is going to motivate Democrats who aren't already motivated at this point. And in the absence of a Mueller conclusion it's just going to rehash what he did and didn't know before the election and during the transition.

Sorry, I don't see how this is going to help. Obama isn't on the ballot, and no one is in the mood for "I tried" or "I told you so."

I think Obama has the wherewithal and lacks the impulse for self-aggrandizement to focus on promoting whoever he's stumping for instead of his own tenure in the White House.
 

Selbran

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tbh I'd rather have Clinton go around the country sitting in a stadium playing an "I told you so" tape than, Obama trying to campaign again. The base already seems pretty fired up and I don't see what he's going to be doing or saying that will help us compared to riling up Republican's because "The evil Obama is back to steal your guns or whatevs" might do to the other side.
 

Kirblar

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It's going to be "Don't boo, vote" part two, and "they go low, we go high" and civility and eight years of insisting on "bipartisanship" and gee I thought Comey was going to do the right thing, and gee I should have told you about Trump and Russia, and they shouldn't have taken the supreme court nomination but here's why I did nothing (and perhaps you should, too).

I don't see how this is going to motivate Democrats who aren't already motivated at this point. And in the absence of a Mueller conclusion it's just going to rehash what he did and didn't know before the election and during the transition.

Sorry, I don't see how this is going to help. Obama isn't on the ballot, and no one is in the mood for "I tried" or "I told you so."
I'll name a state where he'll help: Georgia.
 

JustinP

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On the russia front:

Electorally, Mueller's findings seem less and less impactful -- longer it takes, the more Fox News propaganda sets in. Unless his collusion is just flat out blatant tool of Russia stuff, I'm guessing it's mostly already factored into current polling trajectories. Listening to Slow Burn covering the Nixon scandal, there were a lot of parallels but it's just hard to imagine things ending in similar ways -- Trump and today's republicans just seem too thirsty for power to give it up like that. And if dems have congress and the ability to hold Trump accountable, they have to juggle the potential backlash from impeachment. And I've mentioned in the past, but one of my big worries is that the left is of the mindset that ending Trump will end trumpism -- as if he's the final boss -- and that trumpism will survive, and perhaps thrive, with someone that is just as evil but not as stupid as Trump.

The discussion over whether gay marriage is safe vs roe v wade is interesting, here's some perspective:


Roe v Wade polls pretty well, though unlike gay marriage, abortion is still something that isn't really in the public eye -- the victims of ending gay marriage would be more obvious and easier to have empathy for than the victims of ending legal abortion because abortion is a very private thing that people usually don't talk about, making abortion an easier target despite current polling.
 
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Dr. Benton Quest

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It's going to be "Don't boo, vote" part two, and "they go low, we go high" and civility and eight years of insisting on "bipartisanship" and gee I thought Comey was going to do the right thing, and gee I should have told you about Trump and Russia, and they shouldn't have taken the supreme court nomination but here's why I did nothing (and perhaps you should, too).

I don't see how this is going to motivate Democrats who aren't already motivated at this point. And in the absence of a Mueller conclusion it's just going to rehash what he did and didn't know before the election and during the transition.

Sorry, I don't see how this is going to help. Obama isn't on the ballot, and no one is in the mood for "I tried" or "I told you so."
People genuinely just like him though. Especially moderates. He's slick, cool, and delivers a sharp message with humor.

Believe me, if I didn't think he could help I'd be against it, but don't underestimate how much non-democrats like the guy.
 
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tbh I'd rather have Clinton go around the country sitting in a stadium playing an "I told you so" tape than, Obama trying to campaign again. The base already seems pretty fired up and I don't see what he's going to be doing or saying that will help us compared to riling up Republican's because "The evil Obama is back to steal your guns or whatevs" might do to the other side.

They're going to say that about any Dem regardless.
 

pigeon

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People genuinely just like him though. Especially moderates. He's slick, cool, and delivers a sharp message with humor.

Believe me, if I didn't think he could help I'd be against it, but don't underestimate how much non-democrats like the guy.

They used to until he said that it was bad for a black guy to get arrested on his doorstep and that Trayvon Martin could've been his son.
 

VectorPrime

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Apr 4, 2018
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Like, if you can't see the ways Obama can be an asset this November you are blind. Jesus Christ, if Obama does nothing else besides praise the virtues of the ACA and continue to bring attention to how the Republicans are trying to destroy it THAT ALONE helps the Dem cause this midterms. It's our biggest winning issue and he is the face of it. It's referred to as OBAMAcare for a reason.

Also Obama would have EASILY won a third term if permitted. And his current popularity is higher than it's been since 2010. For every cynical leftist worried about him being some neoliberal shill there are three others who get excited to hear him speak.
 

RustyNails

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It's going to be "Don't boo, vote" part two, and "they go low, we go high" and civility and eight years of insisting on "bipartisanship" and gee I thought Comey was going to do the right thing, and gee I should have told you about Trump and Russia, and they shouldn't have taken the supreme court nomination but here's why I did nothing (and perhaps you should, too).

I don't see how this is going to motivate Democrats who aren't already motivated at this point. And in the absence of a Mueller conclusion it's just going to rehash what he did and didn't know before the election and during the transition.

Sorry, I don't see how this is going to help. Obama isn't on the ballot, and no one is in the mood for "I tried" or "I told you so."
Naw dude. Obama is still good and he does not deserve blame for fucking dipshit morons who stayed home in 2016. Remember Hilldog still won by 3 million votes. She was ultimately cut down by death by 1000 knives through Russian meddling through facebook/twitter, Comey's shenanigans, media omg-ing her every fucking move, punditry being unusually harsh on her, poor campaign management, etc, while at the same time Trump being given extremely low bars to clear.

Obama did all he could and it is true. I hope he sees how the country is in tatters today and adjusts his message. That quote from Lt. Gordon comes to mind - he's the hero America deserves.
 

PantherLotus

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Oct 27, 2017
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With respect for Michelle, "when they go low, we go high" naaaahh

FUCK ALL THAT.

WHEN THEY GO LOW
WE STEP ON THEIR FUCKING NECK


Vote these mother fuckers out, mobilize, protest, civil where necessary, uncivil when forced. Scream, chant, get the truth out, and by god get everybody you know to vote.
 

JustinP

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I think Obama on the campaign trail is probably a good idea in some races, but not all. And hell, maybe he's had some time to change his mind on some things.
 

PantherLotus

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I think Obama on the campaign trail is probably a good idea in some races, but not all. And hell, maybe he's had some time to change his mind on some things.

Let's star with

— "I was wrong not to prosecute Wall Street for the crimes leading to the 2008 crash"
— "I was wrong not to end the unlawful muder of thousands of innocents at the hands of drone warfare."
— "Let's fuck these fuckers up and take our goddamn country back from these fascist fucking nazis, right motherfuckers?"
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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"When they go low, we go high" is for honourable, principled people like the Obamas, who expect others to be the same. He was a president for a different time, a different country, a different opposition party than the one he got.

When they go low, kick em in the head. When they go low, step on them.
 

VectorPrime

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Apr 4, 2018
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Let's star with

— "I was wrong not to prosecute Wall Street for the crimes leading to the 2008 crash"
— "I was wrong not to end the unlawful muder of thousands of innocents at the hands of drone warfare."
— Let's fuck these fuckers up and take our goddamn country back from these fascist fucking nazis, right motherfuckers?

Or he can do things that would actually help rather than make you feel good.
 

GYODX

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On the topic of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, I wonder how long it'll take Conservatives to catch on to the fact that "She's a literal socialist/commie!!1" isn't nearly as effective a vector of attack as the perception of corruption that they were able to manufacture for Hillary Clinton.

They're betting that her far-left politics will provide them with soundbites to drive away moderates, but she is so charismatic, eloquent and so far from unhinged that I think that plan will backfire quickly.
 

JustinP

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The discussion over whether gay marriage is safe vs roe v wade is interesting, here's some perspective:


Roe v Wade polls pretty well, though unlike gay marriage, abortion is still something that isn't really in the public eye -- the victims of ending gay marriage would be more obvious and easier to have empathy for than the victims of ending legal abortion because abortion is a very private thing that people usually don't talk about, making abortion an easier target despite current polling.

but probably also this:



(tried to edit this in but too many tweets)
 

Punished Goku

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Oct 25, 2017
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Affirmative action is easily the most dead thing. Making abortion illegal would cause a shit show but maybe Republicans don't give a fuck.

AA is such an easy thing for the Roberts court to kill since white liberals don't too much care for it in the first place.
What exactly is affirmative action? I guess being a minority myself, I should educate myself on these matters.
 

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Between the concentration camps, Alexandria's victory, and now this bullshit, it definitely feels like something has changed and nothing would personally turn me away from Democrats more at this point than hearing more "we go high" or other civility bs. I also live in a super blue area and am still super pissed, so maybe I'll feel different in the morning or what I think ultimately doesn't matter, but that's not how I feel right now.
 

Kyra

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Voting rights and citizens united are the biggest casualties. The power to change things is the biggest casualty. We have to change the game now and that means doing htings that have never been done before and takiign risks that could be dangerous but could pay off. If when they go low we bury them we have to bury them deep.
 

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As Kirblar said, I'd have Obama dedicate a great deal of time to Georgia. Michelle Nunn and Hillary managed ~45% of the vote in 2014 and 2016, respectively. We just need one final voter and/or demographic push to get us over the hump there. (AZ requires a smaller push and it looks as though Sinema can achieve it on her own.) Popular black president + charismatic black gubernatorial candidate + good Democratic environment + engaged black voters could finally do it. Our prizes there are the governorship and GA-06.

I also think Abrams need to follow the Obama strategy of running up the score majorly in Atlanta and its suburbs and just trying to narrow her losses in the rural areas.
 

PantherLotus

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psst! Did you know 5,000 Americans died (more than all Americans that died in the 9/11 attacks) in Puerto Rico because of intentional negligence and general incompetence of President Trump?
 

patientzero

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Some thoughts on expanding the Supreme Court in following Congressional periods with a modest eye toward feasibility and, sigh, fairness. To be fair, I'm drunk on rum and tacos, so take this with a LOT of salt.

I propose that we seek to expand the Court from 9 current Justices to 15. With that in mind, let me break down some demographic information regarding the Court from some cursory research -

There have been 113 justices, and of the current 9 Justices (considering Kennedy as current for the next month) -

1. We have 6 men, 3 women (only 4 women have ever served...4!).
2. No current member publicly identifies as anything other than heterosexual.
3. 7 are white, 1 Latinx, and 1 black.
4. 5 currently identify as Catholic (13 historically), 3 as Jewish (8 historically), and Gorsuch was Catholic but identifies as Episcopalian.
5. 5 attended Harvard Law School, 3 Yale, and 1 Columbia.
6. Only two (Thomas and Kennedy) are not currently millionaires, and even then Thomas apparently has a million dollar+ book deal.

With that in mind, let's look at who has been unrepresented or underrepresented -

1. 4 women out of 113 total justices - O'Connor, Ginsburg, Kagan, Sotomayor.
2. 2 black Justices - Marshal and Thomas.
3. 1 Latinx Justice - Sotomayor.
4. No openly gay or otherwise gender fluid Justices.
5. No Asian, Native American, or Pacific Islander Justices.
6. No Muslim, Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, or openly atheist Justices.

Thus, I propose the following regarding 2020 and beyond -

1. Expand the Court to 15 Justices.
2. In order to maintain political feasability, agree to appoint 4 liberals and 2 conservatives, though maybe don't make this a public statement.
3. Favor under or unrepresented groups to achieve a Court that encompasses a more representative sample of the American population that would include LGBT members, members of at least Asian and Native descent as well as more representation from black and Latinx communities, members of Islam and other creeds, and other economic and educational circumstances.
4. Combine points 2 and 3; it should be feasible to find possible members that are, say, a conservative, non-Ivy, Muslim Justice or a gay, atheist, Asian Justice.

It would be a hard sell. No doubt about it. But looking at the historical demographics of the Court is simply disgusting. How do you have only 4 women or 2 black Justices in our entire history!? There's a necessity and possibility to sell the American public, at least a damned good part of it, to expand the Court to better represent a modern society.

That said, it'd never happen.

Oh yea, only 6 Justices have been foreign-born, and 3 of those were from the very early days where....duh. Do something there.
 

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Also, the OK Republican gubernatorial runoff is going to be nasty, and whoever emerges from it will be damaged. Thankfully, Edmondson can start campaigning for the general election immediately.
 
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