This is what requires much more attention, but media is focusing on crossplay.
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GI.biz: Xbox and Nintendo gang up on PlayStation in cross-platform row
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This is what requires much more attention, but media is focusing on crossplay.
I can confirm as we just did this during lunch today. We were in a group of four, two of us got a sandwich from a local place and the other two got burgers from McDonalds, we sat down to eat on the terrace of the McDonalds. None of the staff, including management that walked past us multiple times, had any complaints about some people in the group getting their food from another place.
Is this your best response? So I'm supposed to pretend it's not common consumer behavior because you said so? There is nothing wrong with complaining on the internet. There is nothing wrong with calling Sony anti-gamer/anti-consumer as well. From a consumer perspective, they pretty much are. From Sony's perspective, it obviously isn't. It seems like you have a problem understanding how perspectives work. Voting with your wallet is obviously one of the many actions available for consumers. Spreading awareness of an issue is another. Just as how good will can positively impact a company, a negative word of mouth also has its uses. People can vent out their frustrations as long as it within the rules of this forum. I think you're confused. No, that's wrong. You're deliberately trolling. You're arbitrarily deciding what "acting in your own interest" means. You're limiting it to only one action (voting with wallet) so you can invalidate all others. Then you just insult people by calling them clueless and immature. I see. I don't think you'll budge on what means. It's the crux of your nonsensical argument after all. I'm not going to bother with you again. You can fit a few more "LOL", and "you guys are [insert sarcastic remark]" in your next reply. Maybe even "blah blah ERA is [insult]" for some good old generalization so you can hit everyone with one stroke. Sorry, but this is just plain pathetic.
Also, I think I'll spend a little time addressing the "vocal minority from ERA have no impact on the industry" argument. If you're talking about ResetEra by itself, then no. However, that's the good thing about internet. This isn't a closed off forum. Anyone can read the posts here. ERA users also frequent other forums and use social media such as twitter or facebook. When awareness is spread here, ERA users can bring their opinion with them to other sites. The inverse is also true. In the end, if the mass ends up collectively pressuring Sony, then a change can be brought people. You can waste your time and argue about whether the problem is a big deal or not. That doesn't matter. You can argue that it won't ever reach the point where Sony's business is harmed, but you're not a prophet. You don't know that, so it's pointless make that claim. In the end, all people can do is keep their stand and continue pushing forward. If it succeeds, it succeeds. If it fails, it fails. Telling others whether it's pointless or not is meaningless. If you don't care about the issue, then you can keep quiet and discuss other things. Nobody is forcing you to care. People aren't threatening to kill you if you refuse to support the movement. So why waste your breath?
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It just seems discussion here hasn't changed much in the shift from platform which sucks. Why are so many people defending this? No one has still yet to give me an answer as to why we shouldn't allow crossplay or cross-progression and I asked this way back at the early beginnings of the Fortnite thread. What, pray tell me, is wrong with this ability to match with anyone and go anywhere despite platform choice?
I mean, I understand from the point of view for Sony because they are a business and that business wants to leverage their exclusive playerbase because they are the largest. That's fine for their perspective but the perspective of a gamer should be the want to share. We get nothing from Sony for denying crossplay yet get everything from them allowing it. How is that not good?
Hell, even for Sony it's only really hinging on making it seem like you are the best place to play because of the playerbase. Crossplay won't suddenly make the PlayStation 4 useless and won't suddenly make people sell their consoles in a flash to buy other platforms. All it means is those who choose to go either platforms for their exclusivity will be able to play against each other in the third-party game's. People will still buy each console based on their first-party output and that is what should matter.
But hey, keep on defending this anti-consumer Sony I guess if it makes you happy.
I mean, I understand from the point of view for Sony because they are a business and that business wants to leverage their exclusive playerbase because they are the largest. That's fine for their perspective but the perspective of a gamer should be the want to share. We get nothing from Sony for denying crossplay yet get everything from them allowing it. How is that not good?
Hell, even for Sony it's only really hinging on making it seem like you are the best place to play because of the playerbase. Crossplay won't suddenly make the PlayStation 4 useless and won't suddenly make people sell their consoles in a flash to buy other platforms. All it means is those who choose to go either platforms for their exclusivity will be able to play against each other in the third-party game's. People will still buy each console based on their first-party output and that is what should matter.
But hey, keep on defending this anti-consumer Sony I guess if it makes you happy.
Wait a second, first you tell us that you don't want crossplay because you're concerned about different hardware configurations (even though that already exists on the PS4), different input methods (also on PS4), and cheating (again on PS4), but you're OK playing online on the PC where all of these are more common? I hope you can understand how your reasoning to why crossplay should be blocked doesn't make sense to us. What's the difference between a PS4 player playing against a 1X player and a mid range PC playing against a high end PC? I'm trying to wrap my head around your reasoning but it's just not making sense.
I've made a similar example with HDR and you're missing the point of the analogy entirely. The point of the analogy is that it's a flawed question to ask people if they care about something they aren't familiar with. If you just asked people last gen if they care about HDR, without revealing they would need new TVs, the majority would likely say no because it's easy to say you don't care about something you're not familiar with or have experienced before.
It also doesn't matter if you can easily find people in Fortnite, crossplay would still provide benefits. Crossplay doesn't just apply to Fortnite anyways. Every game would benefit from it, especially games with a smaller player base like Titanfall 2. The healthier a player base is, the less likely the online support will be dropped. The healthier population would also improve matchmaking and ping times. Let's say you're playing a game with 16 people within 100 miles but with crossplay, you could have 16 players within 50 miles. That could provide a better experience for everyone playing.
Last, the number of games that currently support crossplay is not indicative of the support we'd see if Sony played ball. We've heard about interest for games like TEKKEN, Overwatch, and Ark but it never happened because one of the key players isn't cooperating. So there is no way you can predict the level of support the feature would receive if Sony allowed it. If anything, more supported games could push more games to include the feature as a selling point.
This benefits everyone, yes even PS4 only owners, so it makes no sense to rally behind a corporation because of a plastic box.
Surely you understand requiring online for an online MP game is entirely different than requiring a connection every 24 hours to prevent your system from becoming an big, ugly doorstop, right? MS original policies were absolutely horrible that only benefitted them and publishers, not the gamers.
This situation really brings up some interesting points to me that aren't crossplay. Crossplay should definitely be a thing, and Sony locking Fortnite accounts to their system is really tone deaf, especially because everyone else is allowing it.
Should I be able to log in to games on other consoles and have the same progression/DLC purchased?
This is interesting to me because Fortnite is free to play and the DLC is all cosmetic, but I can see there being an outcry now of "Fortnite let me carry over stuff I bought on other consoles so the new Destiny expansion should be playable for me on all consoles because I bought it once already,". Fortnite setting these precedents is probably terrifying to a lot of publishers.
Should I be able to log in to games on other consoles and have the same progression/DLC purchased?
This is interesting to me because Fortnite is free to play and the DLC is all cosmetic, but I can see there being an outcry now of "Fortnite let me carry over stuff I bought on other consoles so the new Destiny expansion should be playable for me on all consoles because I bought it once already,". Fortnite setting these precedents is probably terrifying to a lot of publishers.
The fact that they don't care doesn't mean it doesn't directly negatively impact them.
Last week on twitter the author of the article didn't think it was that big of a deal. He then wrote the article to tell everyone that didn't think it was a big deal, here is a some stats.
https://twitter.com/Chris_Dring/status/1010144335487275011
If some group (Let's call it a subset) of people don't as a problem to them, doesn't mean it isn't a issue at all. It's more honest and real to say "Sony doesn't want to let others leave it's ecosystem. And the ignorance of many gamers to the greater good of cross-platform play/accounts can be plays in their favour."
Ever since this has come out, beginning with the early days of the crossplay on Rocket League, there has been a bit of repulsive "not happening to me, so it doesn't matter" reaction. It's directly impacting people, and crossplay can be nothing but positive. Unless you are directly paid by Sony to prevent it, I don't see how anyone can say otherwise.
https://twitter.com/Chris_Dring/status/1010144335487275011
If some group (Let's call it a subset) of people don't as a problem to them, doesn't mean it isn't a issue at all. It's more honest and real to say "Sony doesn't want to let others leave it's ecosystem. And the ignorance of many gamers to the greater good of cross-platform play/accounts can be plays in their favour."
Ever since this has come out, beginning with the early days of the crossplay on Rocket League, there has been a bit of repulsive "not happening to me, so it doesn't matter" reaction. It's directly impacting people, and crossplay can be nothing but positive. Unless you are directly paid by Sony to prevent it, I don't see how anyone can say otherwise.
I would like to chime in. I think the person you're quoting might have a beefy gaming system hence the disregard for different customisations on PC.
It was the blocking of cross plat on other plats that truly riled up the majority of people.
Given games already have Xbox-Switch crossplay, Sony have missed the boat on that.
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LMAO. There's always one of you that never fails to impress over what they get so worked up over. Honestly, you're absolutely adorable.
You're also out of your mind if you think anyone is going to read past a couple sentences of this pile of confused arguments. Brevity is the soul of wit, muchacho. Although, not sure how much it would help.
So common people lack foresight. That's not news. They don't care even if Sony is clearly being anti-consumer.
Also it's funny how the article acts like MS and Nintendo are attacking Sony. They are just bringing progress to online services, while Sony is fighting back because of fear of losing their advantage.
Also it's funny how the article acts like MS and Nintendo are attacking Sony. They are just bringing progress to online services, while Sony is fighting back because of fear of losing their advantage.
Crossplay seems like it provides the largest benefit to the least popular games. Games with small communities split across multiple consoles will die much faster than one medium sized community that includes people from all consoles. I would think third parties would be the ones pushing this more since they are ultimately the ones who benefit the most (along with consumers of course, but no one here seems to give a shit about make things better for the consumer).
I don't understand these people. If it doesn't matter, then is there a need to push that narrative? I'm totally fine with the people sharing the results of the survey. There isn't anything wrong with that. The problem is that many people seem intent on telling others that "no one cares" or that "it doesn't matter". Well, if the stats proved that and it truly doesn't matter, then there is no need to ACTIVELY fight against the cross-play movement. The movement will lose momentum and disappear on its own without anyone doing anything. So if people truly believe that it won't work out, then let reality do its thing. They don't need to go around dismissing others over and over again. People that go around invalidating others on this issue are proving their own points wrong.
Everywhere.
Everything else equal, if you know that one platform offer Japanese games and the over don't, why would you choose the one having less games?
People who are playing a lot of games are obviously going to gravitate towards the system with the biggest amount of games. It's telling that Microsoft is trying to get more of them on their systems.
I'm sure a lot of It is brand loyalty. You're shitting on my brand. Stop being mean to Sony. Yet, don't discount just not wanting to jump on board and then taking to forums to be vocal about it. There are many who find these issues to not so worthy and a waste of time, so they actively work against them.
Also: lol @ the people trying to sneak in rewritten console warz history. Yall keep trying, yall keep dying.
I mean cross platform is relatively new and just growing in developer/platform support.
Just because gamers don't really care now doesn't mean they won't in the future as more games support it; platform policies need to be established early to allow for developers to extend support to more games.
Also just because gamers don't care, doesn't mean that it isn't extremely anti-consumer.
There'd be more weight to this is we didn't get things like PUBG and Fortnite bundles that sell to the largest market and FIFA hitting over 10+ million year over year. It's brand loyalty, whatever is cheaper or what your friends bought. The only people buying a PS4 for Yakuza or Bloodborne already know what those games entail and represent about 20% of the market who actively buys video games and treats them as a hobby.
Even if he does, I'm sure there are other gamers with more powerful rigs still. There's also the factor of different input devices and cheating that are influencing his opinion when both of those happen on the PC as well. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning of using those excuses to be against crossplay when every one of those concerns are on both the PS4 and especially the PC. Adding or supporting crossplay would not introduce any risks to his online games that he doesn't already face. So it doesn't make sense to me.
I'm talking about the future. Not now. If they allow it from that point forward MS would not be able to use it as an advantage.
It's a weird situation that could happen.
That's what happens when your console is $100 more than the competitor. Price is usually the deciding factor early on. Just look at how poorly the PS3 sold early on at $599.
Your HDR example is still terrible. Move on from it.
It's cute you think Sony is holding back games like Overwatch from having crossplay. If Activision wanted crossplay in Overwatch they'd enable in in platforms that allowed it, aka PC and Xbox One. They don't even allow your progression to sync between platforms. You know why? Because that's bad for business.
Also you claim Activision has shown interest in crossplay for Overwatch. Link please.
So we agree that they do count, they're just not system sellers individually.
How is the HDR example terrible? I explained exactly how it makes sense. So the least you can do is explain why you think it's terrible instead of automatically dismissing it because it's goes against your narrative.
I know you're knee jerk reacting to defend anti-consumer practices, but I never said Activision has shown interest. Here's a link about the director talking about how crossplay would benefit everyone. There's even a comment to why console vs PC isn't considered:
https://wccftech.com/bring-players-together-crossplay/
So drop the condescending attitude. You're delusional if you think Sony blocking crossplay is not hindering progression on this feature adoption.
I've already told you. Not sure what's so hard to understand. Your HDR example is the equivalent of "People just don't know how great Porsche's are because they haven't driven one". So what? Even if people did know doesn't mean they can afford to have one. Cross play is something everyone with the platform can have with the flip of a switch. They don't need to go out an buy a cross-play compatible TV. And that's why your comparison is awful. Time to move on and think of something better.
Your link is the Overwatch director saying the equivalent of "crossplay is neat", it in no way is the same as "we want crossplay but can't because of Sony".
You're the delusional one if you think Sony is the reason a company like Activision hasn't activated crossplay is because of Sony. If they wanted it they'd enable it with the platforms that would allow it, as I have already said. Activision won't even allow you to sync your progress and unlocks between platforms despite having the account system in place to do so. Why? Because they want you to rebuy the game and rebuy those loot boxes to unlock those skins again that you really like.
Their stance is, and hasn't changed that they have no plans for it.
It's sad to see the lengths you'll go to defend anti-consumer practices.
Well keep fighting the good fight soldier.
Glad to see you have nothing to contribute.
At what part did I defend it? Showing you how you're wrong? Looking at the situation objectively instead of twisting it to fit my views?
Not throwing a temper tantrum over it doesn't mean I'm defending it.
He probably spends more time on the PS4 version of Fortnite. That said, I understand your confusion, hopefully you get some clarification.