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Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]
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Acknowledgement isn't at all a confirmation in my eyes. My post was more of the thought that once Sony drops this console cross-play stance these triple A devs will suddenly jump into the mix. I am not at all saying they will not eventually make a move towards it. I know they will and it would be very silly to argue against it.
Would be awesome if events were structured around genuine competitive console wars.
For anything to happen, there first needs to be the will to change things
I fully agree. I just don't expect these big triple A players to just instantly embrace cross-play once Sony stops being a total dope with their stance. I think people who make statements as such are just setting themselves up for disappointment. Maybe I am misreading something for which I apologize if so. Just seems like some are wanting an instant 100% once the wall goes down. Which isn't at all reasonable.
At the moment, crossplay affect the biggest online games like Minecraft and Fortnite across all its available platform though.
Exactly. It's like Sony didn't learn anything from the PSN cracking kerfuffle. They are still giving these vague non-answers and hoping that the issue goes away if they don't take much heed of it. Sure, this won't have near the same impact, but I seriously doubt the benefits from this policy come near the negative publicity at this point.
With Sony acting the way they are right now, it's hard to take the slogan "For the players" in a non-ironic way.
This made me laugh. I'll never forget asking my Mom for a super nintendo for Christmas the year it came out. " You already have a nintendo." No one in the world needs 2 Nintendos." What do I look like, a Rockafellar." Broke my 10 year old heart.
How about the fact that they dont have to buy an xbox or switch to play Fortnite with their friends that dont play on ps4.
We're no longer holding your account hostage...
Mic drop... Fucking lol.
Quick round up of some of the articles regarding Layden's statement. Another day of Sony/Fortnite filling the gaming news channels.
Polygon: Sony tries to buy more time for PlayStation 4's Fortnite account debacle. They're "looking at it"
https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/27/1...tion-4-cross-platform-account-nintendo-switch
CNET: Sony admits PS4 has a cross-play problem, tries to offer hope
https://www.cnet.com/news/sony-admits-ps4-has-a-cross-play-problem-tries-to-offer-hope/
Nintendo Life: Sony "Looking At A Lot Of The Possibilities" When It Comes To Fortnite Cross-Play Support
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._when_it_comes_to_fortnite_cross-play_support
VentureBeat: Fortnite debacle has PlayStation boss Shawn Layden looking at crossplay 'possibilities'
https://venturebeat.com/2018/06/27/...wn-layden-looking-at-crossplay-possibilities/
Ars Technica: Sony exec "confident" PS4 cross-console play "solution" is coming
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...nt-ps4-cross-console-play-solution-is-coming/
The Verge: Sony 'confident' it'll find a Fortnite cross-play solution
https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/27/17509206/sony-fortnite-ps4-nintendo-switch-cross-play-response
Engadget: Sony looking for 'solution' to PS4 cross-play woes
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/27/sony-cross-platform-play-ps4-fortnite-xbox-one-switch/
Slash Gear: Fortnite cross-play controversy: Sony's latest doesn't inspire
https://www.slashgear.com/fortnite-cross-play-controversy-sonys-latest-doesnt-inspire-27535837/
Metro: Fortnite PS4 cross-play could still happen hints Sony
https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/27/fortnite-ps4-cross-play-still-happen-hints-sony-7664993/
Eurogamer: Sony offers hope on PS4 console cross-play
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ent-it-will-deliver-a-ps4-cross-play-solution
BGR: Sony is working on a 'solution' for PS4 console cross-play controversy
https://bgr.com/2018/06/27/fortnite-cross-play-ps4-xbox-one-switch-sony/
Evening Express: Sony 'confident' it will find a Fortnite cross-play solution
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/sony-confident-it-will-find-a-fortnite-cross-play-solution/
CGM: SONY INTERACTIVE ENTERTAINMENT CEO, SHAWN LAYDEN ACKNOWLEDGES FORTNITE CONTROVERSY
https://www.cgmagonline.com/2018/06/27/shawn-layden-acknonledges-fornite-issues-on-ps4/
Polygon: Sony tries to buy more time for PlayStation 4's Fortnite account debacle. They're "looking at it"
https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/27/1...tion-4-cross-platform-account-nintendo-switch
CNET: Sony admits PS4 has a cross-play problem, tries to offer hope
https://www.cnet.com/news/sony-admits-ps4-has-a-cross-play-problem-tries-to-offer-hope/
Nintendo Life: Sony "Looking At A Lot Of The Possibilities" When It Comes To Fortnite Cross-Play Support
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._when_it_comes_to_fortnite_cross-play_support
VentureBeat: Fortnite debacle has PlayStation boss Shawn Layden looking at crossplay 'possibilities'
https://venturebeat.com/2018/06/27/...wn-layden-looking-at-crossplay-possibilities/
Ars Technica: Sony exec "confident" PS4 cross-console play "solution" is coming
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...nt-ps4-cross-console-play-solution-is-coming/
The Verge: Sony 'confident' it'll find a Fortnite cross-play solution
https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/27/17509206/sony-fortnite-ps4-nintendo-switch-cross-play-response
Engadget: Sony looking for 'solution' to PS4 cross-play woes
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/27/sony-cross-platform-play-ps4-fortnite-xbox-one-switch/
Slash Gear: Fortnite cross-play controversy: Sony's latest doesn't inspire
https://www.slashgear.com/fortnite-cross-play-controversy-sonys-latest-doesnt-inspire-27535837/
Metro: Fortnite PS4 cross-play could still happen hints Sony
https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/27/fortnite-ps4-cross-play-still-happen-hints-sony-7664993/
Eurogamer: Sony offers hope on PS4 console cross-play
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ent-it-will-deliver-a-ps4-cross-play-solution
BGR: Sony is working on a 'solution' for PS4 console cross-play controversy
https://bgr.com/2018/06/27/fortnite-cross-play-ps4-xbox-one-switch-sony/
Evening Express: Sony 'confident' it will find a Fortnite cross-play solution
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/sony-confident-it-will-find-a-fortnite-cross-play-solution/
CGM: SONY INTERACTIVE ENTERTAINMENT CEO, SHAWN LAYDEN ACKNOWLEDGES FORTNITE CONTROVERSY
https://www.cgmagonline.com/2018/06/27/shawn-layden-acknonledges-fornite-issues-on-ps4/
Hey thanks for the round up. It's interesting to see how the different outlets chose to cover the statement.
As I told Rocco, the conversation I was having at the time wasn't at all about the account locking. :)
How about the fact that their friend(s) don't have to buy a PS4 to play with the person that doesn't play on Xbox One/Switch?
Should all Ubisoft and EA games be blocked then since you log into a third party account? What about connecting your steam account to your PSN when Portal 2 came out on the PS3? But a Microsoft email is somehow too wildly different?
Even then the message:
We finally caught up isn't all that mic drop worthy either
Caught up? Sony has been at the front of cross-play. The no console cross-play policy is a business decision. Not a technology one.
I could totally play on the XBX after declining to create an Epic account.
Well that explains that. So even though I declined to make an account twice, I have one, but it's tied to my Live account?
clear this shit is not
binarymelon
Next time actually read the topic so that you don't make yourself look like a complete fool again. :)
Next time actually read the topic so that you don't make yourself look like a complete fool again. :)
"Front of cross-play" Yeah, right. They never, ever pushed crossplay and only had a few crossplay games that didn't affect their bottom line so they didn't see it as a threat. Business decision my ass; what's the harm of not allowing Minecraft crossplay? The Xbox version has a bigger playerbase by itself, and now with the Better Together update you lump in Switch, PC, iOS and Andriod and tell me how that wouldn't be advantageous for PS4 players? Rocket League, which tops the charts for every platform?
Please.
I really wish you and other people would stop reacting to my posts as if I am defending Sony. It is getting very much damn annoying.
For the very last time:
I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF SONY FOR THEIR CONSOLE CROSS-PLAY STANCE. I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF SONY FOR THE ACCOUNT LOCKING.
With that out of the way, Sony has clearly made it known that the decision for their policy is business based. Merely mentioning it doesn't at all mean I am defending it or shilling for it.
I never made any implications that Sony is pushing cross-play more. They certainly have more titles on their systems that are cross-play enabled (which is why I use the wording "front of cross-play") than Microsoft and Nintendo, but I didn't at all imply they are the ones pushing it.
Repeating it over and over in this thread as if it somehow makes you the last bastion of truth does make you appear to be a shill.
Yes, I will defend myself when someone takes my posts and twist them to push a false narrative. How does that at all remotely make me a Sony shill?
Well , hard to say that when they are the one under fire regarding the crossplay issue now
It's a stupid notion to say they've 'been at the front' of it to begin with, there were only a handful of titles with any meaningful crossplay on any system prior to this gen. You might as well say Microsoft was at the forefront of it because Shadowrun existed last gen. Or FF11, which was on both systems. It's completely disingenuous to act like Sony was where MS/Nintendo are now, last gen, and that it flipped - Sony was never remotely here, none of them were.
I would agree with this. And none of the crossplay games that have come on PS3/4 have been Sony titles. It's all third party bits. Microsoft are publishing one of their first party titles (Minecraft) on every single platform and have squeezed full cross-play into it (apart from one obvious console). Pretty impressive for a platform holder.
I addressed this above. Just scroll up a little bit. :)
First, I never said anything about the games being Sony first party titles.
Second, I am sure in a few months my niece and nephew will be dragging me into Minecraft again once they get their Switches. I 100% agree that it is impressive work from Microsoft.
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I think that it's fair to say that everyone here, especially after 119 pages of hearing that excuse, realizes that Sony is a business and that their decisions are made from that perspective. Repeating it over and over that they're an business in an attempt to quell this discussion doesn't improve your point.
Also the one who is at the forefront is generally the same entity that is also pushing it. I disagree with Sony being at the forefront of crossplay at this point in time, they've lost that position.
I completely agree, but I only ever said it once and it was merely explaining to another poster that Sony's asinine policy was based on business and not that of technology like they were claiming. My post was completely taken out of context to rage at.
100%. Agreed.
Hilariously patronizing, who the hell are you to go around telling people to visit a psychologist for not caring about your silly little crusade. Jesus Christ lol.
Yep, they just look like a bunch of petty arseholes. Allowing some but not all, because reasons.
While it does read a little less than desired, I can completely understand where the poster is coming from.
Are you saying the "silly little crusade" is wanting cross play it access and or to be able to access your epic account on a different console?
The poster clearly is saying that if you are someone who claims to not care about online games or you are impartial to cross play you should ultimately just stay quiet and let those who do care express their side. I totally agree here. What help dies it do any one talking about understanding Sony's stance or trying to convince others to see it from Sony's side. It's pointless. This is of course if the person truelly dies not care and is not just saying that.
Why does it matter who is at the forefront or whatever anyways. The issue is now Sony is acting like an arse and needs to be called out, end of story.
No one cares if Sony do the blocking for wallet there. The only thing people is care is for Sony to release the damn account.
If you are unable to keep hearing the complain there is easy way to just move on and check other thread. This thread is for people to complain against Sony over their greed.
If you are unable to keep hearing the complain there is easy way to just move on and check other thread. This thread is for people to complain against Sony over their greed.
The whole talk about the "technology" of cross-play and how "far" different platform holders are in that is silly.
95% of the effort to implement cross-play / cross-progress features (if not 100%) is with the developers and completely independent of the platform.
(Which is also why it's evasive to say that you are thinking about solutions: you don't need to, you just need to stop blocking the existing solutions)
95% of the effort to implement cross-play / cross-progress features (if not 100%) is with the developers and completely independent of the platform.
(Which is also why it's evasive to say that you are thinking about solutions: you don't need to, you just need to stop blocking the existing solutions)
Exactly.
Also, I want to point out again that possibilities that crossplay enables like Minecrafts unified bedrock codebase where they can push patches and updates simultaneously across all platforms and have unlimited realms (I'm assuming this has to do with combined servers but I have no idea) is another big reason that crossplay is valuable for developers. It has the potential to save a lot of money and time that could be put towards generating content.
EDIT: I say this as yet another reason that we shouldn't be happy with split crossplay like some are suggesting.
Also, I want to point out again that possibilities that crossplay enables like Minecrafts unified bedrock codebase where they can push patches and updates simultaneously across all platforms and have unlimited realms (I'm assuming this has to do with combined servers but I have no idea) is another big reason that crossplay is valuable for developers. It has the potential to save a lot of money and time that could be put towards generating content.
EDIT: I say this as yet another reason that we shouldn't be happy with split crossplay like some are suggesting.
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The difference being that there is evidence that very little care about cross platform play. It's not a big deal that Fortnite is behind a paywall because multiplayer being behind a paywall is now an accepted norm.
Sony's stance on crossplay is an oxymoron. We allow crossplay but we don't, I really wish these hardware makers would stay out of telling third party publishers what they can do and who they can do it with unless it really is to protect them (hate games and offensive titles etc.). Apple might have a stance that all purchases have to go through them but are they blocking anyone from reading Kindle books on an iPad?
All Sony is doing is highlighting how fucked up the console market is.
This is no way exclusive to the console market.
Apple that you cite as an example won't let you use Spotify on Homepod, you'll have to use Apple Music. Google blocks YouTube on Fire TV devices and there's no Amazon Prime app on Chromecast. Amazon won't sell Nest products or Chromecast from Google.
Something that's persistently trying about this situation is how quickly discussion seems distracted by the cross-play issue, at the cost of focus on the more pressing third-party account-locks caused by Sony. Even some otherwise fine reporting has its headlines drowned out by the broader issue of cross-console online play. Lack of cross-console play is annoying and hypocritical to Sony's past statements, but it's primarily just annoying. The account locks are a legitimate consumer issue, relating to not just game progress, but real-money purchases. The console market is currently a worse place to shop (and do business as a publisher) because of it.