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Rogue Blue

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
2,280
Lesson 1: Never have heroes.

Lesson 2: Be your own hero.

This statement couldn't be more true.

Something like this has been stuck in my head for a while, after reading about situations such as these, about people that I once looked up to as outstanding individuals, and I found that it has only gotten more true as I have gotten older.
 

Border

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,859
Which Pixar movie was "a big-titted blond who was difficult to nail down"??

Finding Dory?
 

Pau

Self-Appointed Godmother of Bruce Wayne's Children
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,847
How can people be this shitty?
By thinking women are lesser humans that exist only or primarily to fulfill men's desires. It's probably pretty easy for someone like this to rationalize treating women this way if that's all they think we're for anyways.
 

SieteBlanco

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,878
I remember some hardcore Pixar nuts seriously downplaying the Brenda Chapman stuff back in the days. They're still in this new forum so I hope their eyes have finally been opened.
 

VeePs

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,369
It's pretty fucking amazing to me the degree that this bullshit was everywhere. Like, the amount of lives/careers/dreams messed up by this shit... smh.
 

CloudWolf

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,624
Jesus Christ that's awful.

I'm almost afraid to ask but has anything like this come out about Brad Bird or is he ok?
I know people who worked with Brad Bird, they described him as incredibly hard to work with, demanding and generally kind of an asshole. It wouldn't surprise me if he's the "big tittied blonde" guy described in the article.
 

Spinluck

▲ Legend ▲
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
28,469
Chicago
I just finished the audiobook for Creativity, Inc. and since then I've seen nothing but terrible, disgusting info coming out about the Pixar camp. What a disappointment.

I watched a mini doc on Lasseter and this bit already seemed a bit creepy:



What a weird ass video.

I remember watching this before #MeToo and thinking that this guy just had a bubbly personality, but no, he's just a vulgar creep.

I would not be comfortable with those everyday hugs... the fuck? Could only imagine how the women working there feel. I'd wager they rather not make any sort of contact with him at all but do it out of pressure. Even if they did like the guy as a boss at some point, that's not ok.

Which Pixar movie was "a big-titted blond who was difficult to nail down"??

Finding Dory?

Wonder why she chose not to name the director.
 
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Dizagaox

Banned
Feb 26, 2018
1,076
London
I always thought Lasseter was gay. Not that that excuses him, but I always thought the hugging was wanted bonding.
 

Deleted member 42221

User requested account closure
Banned
Apr 16, 2018
2,749
The fact that so many people knew and enabled this shit is disgusting. Every other person of authority in Pixar is complicit in enabling this toxic harassment to continue. Plain and simple.
 

duckroll

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,203
Singapore
Why the fuck is Lasseter still at Pixar?
Because he is Pixar. He's not just one person with his own problematic issues. He is the culture. He defined it. He built it. Even after he is gone next year, it's not like Pixar will magically become an equal opportunity paradise. It'll still be run and managed by people who worked with and under a man who established the dos the don'ts of the workplace as God Emperor.
 

Ascenion

Prophet of Truth - One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,102
Mecklenburg-Strelitz
Because he is Pixar. He's not just one person with his own problematic issues. He is the culture. He defined it. He built it. Even after he is gone next year, it's not like Pixar will magically become an equal opportunity paradise. It'll still be run and managed by people who worked with and under a man who established the dos the don'ts of the workplace as God Emperor.

It probably goes deeper than that. Remember he basically ran Disney for like 10 years. Any animated film they've made in the past decade has his hands on it, which is probably why a lot of people are struggling to accept that he's a shit bag.
 

Jazzem

Member
Feb 2, 2018
2,684
Goddamn this was a sobering read :(

I never would've expected this out of Pixar of all places...maybe there's a lesson there
 

Sub Boss

Banned
Nov 14, 2017
13,441
No wonder they didn't want to make a woman lead movie until Brave they rather play with their little toys

Kinda sad to see only 2 pages compared to the Star Wars megathread it seems many don't even want to discuss their beloved Pixar
 
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Oct 27, 2017
6,467
User banned (1 week): excusing sexual assault
What a fascinating (and long) read that was. I went through it all. I'm both horrified and amazed as to how a company that has produced so many things I've admired for two decades could have a work culture as shitty as that.

I'm one of those who always thought Brave was better than what the internet told me. It wasnt the best but it certainly was better than any of the Cars films, A Bug's Life, and A Good Dinosaur. I knew it had behind the scenes troubles but its infuriating to now know that those problems were related to sexism with its female director and it had to happen in a film centered about a girl and her mother.

I lamented Lasseter having to leave when we knew little to no details about all of this but now? Good riddance to the lecherous asshole. Was he married? How can people be this shitty?
Humans like sex with beautiful people,so bad shit will happen around trying to acquire it. I don't condone his behavior in any way, but to act like it's a surprise as to what causes this seems disingenuous. Humans are faulty and we do terrible things to each other. No matter how good of a person you are. So the systems in place need to reflect these problems and try to address them as best they can from a logical, unemotional state.

Anyways I'm rambling, but I find it surprising that you find human beings being shitty is surprising.
 

Don Fluffles

Member
Oct 28, 2017
7,060
It's strange that I haven't seen much allegations of harassment on Glassdoor. Normally you'd hear all about it there.
 

LightEntite

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
3,079
Its probable even the idea of a female protagonist came from the outside or was pushed somehow.

that isn't very probable at all.

This idea that it takes morally clean, perfect, ethically spotless and utterly respectful men to do positive things for female representation is a terrible fallacy.

The things that people carefully craft for fantasy don't necessarily have to represent the people they are in real life, that's silly.

If only sexually objectifying men wrote sexually objectified women, then what does that say about all the murders, rapists, antisocial individuals in TV shows?


Anyone who believes otherwise is just setting themselves up for a terrible wakeup call from reality -- everyone has flaws...and not all of them have obvious TV-series-esque sort of correlations with their works.

this is why the saying "Never meet your heroes" is a thing.

You find out they're people, just like anyone else
 

AztecComplex

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,371
Humans like sex with beautiful people,so bad shit will happen around trying to acquire it. I don't condone his behavior in any way, but to act like it's a surprise as to what causes this seems disingenuous. Humans are faulty and we do terrible things to each other. No matter how good of a person you are. So the systems in place need to reflect these problems and try to address them as best they can from a logical, unemotional state.

Anyways I'm rambling, but I find it surprising that you find human beings being shitty is surprising.
No. What I find surprising is shitty humans having a consistently shitty behavior in a company that has churned almost nothing but gems relentlessly since the mid 90s. Some of my favorite movies of all time came from these guys. Inside Out is one of the most imaginative and touching films I have ever seen. And it stars women both the girl and her main emotion (Joy). How can a company that wrecked me with the end of Coco (and I do mean wrecked) can be this awful to their female employees?

That's what surprises me. That we're talking about Pixar. A subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company for fuck's sake. When shit like this came out of Fox News I went like "yeah, I can see how this happened." if anything I was surprised that shit didn't came out earlier. Pixar ain't Fox News so the degree of surprise was entirely different.
 

Khanimus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
40,211
Greater Vancouver
This shit has been known within animation industry circles for a while and nothing is done about it.

Fuck Lasseter and fuck those that harbor and defend him.
 

Alexandros

Member
Oct 26, 2017
17,811
Man, this is a really depressing read. Hopefully now that more women are talking about these conditions things will start to change.
 

Jimrpg

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,280
No. What I find surprising is shitty humans having a consistently shitty behavior in a company that has churned almost nothing but gems relentlessly since the mid 90s. Some of my favorite movies of all time came from these guys. Inside Out is one of the most imaginative and touching films I have ever seen. And it stars women both the girl and her main emotion (Joy). How can a company that wrecked me with the end of Coco (and I do mean wrecked) can be this awful to their female employees?

That's what surprises me. That we're talking about Pixar. A subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company for fuck's sake. When shit like this came out of Fox News I went like "yeah, I can see how this happened." if anything I was surprised that shit didn't came out earlier. Pixar ain't Fox News so the degree of surprise was entirely different.

You think Apple is a nice company because they make great products and give great presentations? How about Tesla.

Nah. It probably takes assholes to get to the top.
 

Addleburg

The Fallen
Nov 16, 2017
5,068
Reminds me of the same issues Studio Ghibli is known for. Not in terms of groping or sexual behavior, but it being creatively male dominated.

Although, ironically, in their case their films have often featured female leads.
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,467
No. What I find surprising is shitty humans having a consistently shitty behavior in a company that has churned almost nothing but gems relentlessly since the mid 90s. Some of my favorite movies of all time came from these guys. Inside Out is one of the most imaginative and touching films I have ever seen. And it stars women both the girl and her main emotion (Joy). How can a company that wrecked me with the end of Coco (and I do mean wrecked) can be this awful to their female employees?

That's what surprises me. That we're talking about Pixar. A subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company for fuck's sake. When shit like this came out of Fox News I went like "yeah, I can see how this happened." if anything I was surprised that shit didn't came out earlier. Pixar ain't Fox News so the degree of surprise was entirely different.
You just have to keep the company separate from its people. I'm sure fox news itself has liberal people within its walls that don't like what's happening out there and vice versa for Disney and every company on earth.
So for me, I just focus on the entertainment itself. I stopped following the actual people a long time ago.
 

Timbuktu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,234
My guess is either Brave or The Good Dinosaur since both of them had some serious production issues.


It could also be Newt, or Ratatouille before Bird came on board... honestly I think every good film went through a 'black friday' or Some sort where things were scrapped and restarted.

Inside Out is one of the most imaginative and touching films I have ever seen. And it stars women both the girl and her main emotion (Joy). How can a company that wrecked me with the end of Coco (and I do mean wrecked) can be this awful to their female employees?

Well, Pete Docter is in charge now, so one would hope he is better and sets a better tone from the top. Pixar is massive though, so maybe some teams and departments are better than others.
 

Quacktion

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,479
Just after starting on "Cars 2," I was told by a superior that I would be uninvited from all our weekly art department meetings because Lasseter "has a hard time controlling himself" around young women.
wot de fuk

Why are people like this, no self control on top of sexism is a VERY dangerous thing.
 

Dragon1893

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,446
Just after starting on "Cars 2," I was told by a superior that I would be uninvited from all our weekly art department meetings because Lasseter "has a hard time controlling himself" around young women. I was crushed to have my participation in the filmmaking process –– and subsequently my career trajectory –– thwarted simply because I was female. It was clear that the institution was working hard to protect him, at the expense of women like me.

Jesus Christ...
 

Village

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,809
This is , horrible. And horrifying, " has a hard time controlling himself " then why the fuck does he have a job. There's probably a bunch of people who can or who can learn to control themselves that can do that job. Not to mention the fucked implications that come with people who can't control themselves

Is it alright if they're fictional?.
Nah because leadership changes and IP change hands and someone might write them to be the worst person ever because they think its cool.
 
Oct 26, 2017
8,686
You can read that after men finally take care of business and band together to excise toxic masculinity from mainstream culture. Until then, I can live without those types of articles personally - we don't deserve them.

You don't think setting and pointing out good examples can be just as beneficial to improving men's behavior as calling out and punishing bad ones?
 

Lady Murasaki

Scary Shiny Glasses
Member
Oct 25, 2017
680
I just finished the audiobook for Creativity, Inc. and since then I've seen nothing but terrible, disgusting info coming out about the Pixar camp. What a disappointment.

I watched a mini doc on Lasseter and this bit already seemed a bit creepy:



About the touchy thing, this type of situation is really common and hard to do something about it. Where I leave it isn't uncommon to greet a person with a kiss in the face and those 'half-hugs' regardless of gender, but there is always that man who will trap you in a hug for too long or give a weird wet kiss, or even grab your arm to hug you when you just wanted to shake hands.

And it's really hard to express how you dislike it to other people. The reaction (even from other women) is always: ''What are you talking about? Who do you think you are?'', as in the person reporting it has a 'dirty mind' or think too much of themselves. And more often than not this person - also often a woman - will be then labeled as the uptight one.
 

SigmasonicX

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,499
Just fished reading the full Medium article. That was very sobering. It will be hard to look at Pixar movies in the same way.