Which is exactly what Baji said. You're just repeating what Baji said.
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Seriously, I came in here to toe the middle line and say "This could be a coincidence but it's not outlandish enough to brush it off as such, so let's make note of it before moving on, in case it's relevant in the future."
But it turns out some people are actually fucking crazy and can only see what they want to see.
Yes, my point was that his statements were still not 'less than 13 of 88' as the article presented it. They had to play with the numbers to present it that way. This all may be some giant coincidence, but it a very strange way to present statistics.
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The ADL doesn't do much about pedophiles: it's pretty focused on white supremacy.
But the FBI has this. See the similarity to this pizza place's logo? Can't be a coincidence, right?
The tweet in the OP is timestamped at 12; the earliest white supremacist tweet you've quoted that I see was at 1. And considering the DHS article is from February, it seems pretty clear that this is white supremacists reacting to the controversy rather than the article's inherent naziness.
More likely is that these raw numbers were converted to a percentage at some point. People love percentages. So of all migrant who are found at the border 88% (1147) pass the fear test and 13%(170) eventually get asylum.
A common way of presenting that is to say 88 people (out of a hundred) pass the test and 13 get the asylum.
All are correct the last one is used to press releases because it doesn't sound like dry statistics.
Look maybe someone saw the 88 and decided to highlight it for the Nazi base, who knows, very hard to prove, but there is nothing wrong in how they presented the numbers.
To be fair we debated about joining the nazis. That debate was the reason internment camps didn't apply to German Americans. Though I doubt the discussion was ever "necessary" considering the racial politics back then.
It is less than 13 of the 88. I don't doubt the "less than 13" is an actual, correct stat. It's the 15% (well actually 14.8%) that is a derived number coming from people who keep saying "well why didn't they just say 14%, why are they grabbing 88 from out of thin air" or whatever, when I've pointed out time and again where that number came from and why it isn't that odd for it to be used as a stat.
When people write this off as a tinfoil hat theory, they prove exactly how the alt-right and neo-nazis were able to grow and infest places like Reddit before the election.
And members of ICE being white supremacists is like the least surprising thing I've heard this week. We're talking about the people that break down doors and splits up families over a speeding ticket. The agency the seems fine with the fact that it's actual objective to stop international crime organizations, is now being sat aside in a wild chase to try and deport as many brown people as possible.
But sure, keep believing things can't be that bad. While you wake up, nazis gain more influence in the government and propaganda like Fox News will keep normalizing their policies.
And members of ICE being white supremacists is like the least surprising thing I've heard this week. We're talking about the people that break down doors and splits up families over a speeding ticket. The agency the seems fine with the fact that it's actual objective to stop international crime organizations, is now being sat aside in a wild chase to try and deport as many brown people as possible.
But sure, keep believing things can't be that bad. While you wake up, nazis gain more influence in the government and propaganda like Fox News will keep normalizing their policies.
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Did Hillary have that symbol on the missing emails?
That has nothing to do with anything I said.
They aren't even referencing or showing any knowledge of, or sharing any links to 'triggered libs' anywhere on that timeline.
It is literally just all about them celebrating getting nazi winks....
And yeah, it was long before any of US started talking about this shit.
I don't give a fuck what they see, lol
This is conspiracy level tier logic.
There are plenty of real and justified issues without resorting to this level of thinking.
Guys, it seems like all that is being claimed is that a Nazi is in the DHS, and he wrote an article that was just meant to be a signal to other Nazis. No assertion should be made to whether DHS' editorial caught it or not. To wit, these aren't really outrageous claims-- you'd EXPECT a Nazi to want to work for Trump's DHS, and it's well-known that they gutted a bunch of the previous administration, so there is definitely an opportunity for such. The evidence being presented most strongly for that assertion is in the title-- it being exactly fourteen words long and begins the same way as the Nazi slogans. Presented ONLY AS SUPPORTING EVIDENCE are notes that the article has thirteen bullet points plus a strangely formatted subheading, as well as the odd use of a statistic that could be presented in a myriad number of ways rather than utilizing the number 88-- on this second point, nobody is claiming that secret Nazis fudged the numbers back in the 2015 Obama administration, but pointing out that the thirteen is the critical number for the point they're actually mentioning-- the 88 is spurious. Presented as further supporting evidence is the joyous reaction of Nazis expressing recognition of these symbols on Twitter.
I can see why you might disagree, but why is this an insane assertion to make, that makes people who think that look just as bad as QAnon? It is well understood that Nazis like to use their coded symbols as a sort of rhetorical trap-- making leftists look crazy by pointing out coded symbols. This is why they tried to co-opt the "OK" hand gesture. When a person who is known for dog-whistles makes an OK hand gesture, pointing out what they're doing is meant to make people aware of the symbol's meaning look crazy. It's literally a symbol designed to gaslight liberals. With that in mind-- it's unsurprising that some symbols are going to be obscure, and some false positives are entirely likely.
Furthermore, in response to those who ask why it matters if they're already doing morally bankrupt things? That's the whole point. The Muslim ban wasn't discrimination based on religious belief. But refusing service to a gay couple is defended by free speech. To put it bluntly, the whole administration is one a whole kick about how they're suuuuuuper not being racist, no, seriously, we promise. Being able to show evidence that actual Nazis are running the show is important. In this thread alone we've got people scoffing at the mere possibility that an administration with Stephen Miller giving policy advice has Nazis in it. Some people still think we're in a time where civility is more important than saying no to these people. And at this point, I don't count on their support-- if they still think it's unnecessary to act, there's no red line they won't be able to explain away. But letting the record show that the signs are there is important. Letting the record show how this kind of writing energized Nazis is important. It's toxic to pretend this is just another crummy administration and not an existential threat to the lives of the marginalized.
I can see why you might disagree, but why is this an insane assertion to make, that makes people who think that look just as bad as QAnon? It is well understood that Nazis like to use their coded symbols as a sort of rhetorical trap-- making leftists look crazy by pointing out coded symbols. This is why they tried to co-opt the "OK" hand gesture. When a person who is known for dog-whistles makes an OK hand gesture, pointing out what they're doing is meant to make people aware of the symbol's meaning look crazy. It's literally a symbol designed to gaslight liberals. With that in mind-- it's unsurprising that some symbols are going to be obscure, and some false positives are entirely likely.
Furthermore, in response to those who ask why it matters if they're already doing morally bankrupt things? That's the whole point. The Muslim ban wasn't discrimination based on religious belief. But refusing service to a gay couple is defended by free speech. To put it bluntly, the whole administration is one a whole kick about how they're suuuuuuper not being racist, no, seriously, we promise. Being able to show evidence that actual Nazis are running the show is important. In this thread alone we've got people scoffing at the mere possibility that an administration with Stephen Miller giving policy advice has Nazis in it. Some people still think we're in a time where civility is more important than saying no to these people. And at this point, I don't count on their support-- if they still think it's unnecessary to act, there's no red line they won't be able to explain away. But letting the record show that the signs are there is important. Letting the record show how this kind of writing energized Nazis is important. It's toxic to pretend this is just another crummy administration and not an existential threat to the lives of the marginalized.
No, it's documented neo nazi dog whistles and symbology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
You don't accidentally pull off a 1488.
88's, sure.
A 14 words, suspect, but sure it can happen.
A 1488? In a release about fucking immigration? Not a coincidence.
It's one of the pizza places in the conspiracy. An alleged secret pedophile hangout, frequented by high-level Democrats.
The FBI says that's a pedophile symbol, it's clearly in the pizza joint's logo. Some people see evidence of a conspiracy, reasonable people see coincidence. See the parallel to this thread?
*sigh*
"You guys" was the term the other person used. Pretty vague term: why do you pretend it applies specifically to this forum, and not "conspiracy-minded internet liberals" in general? If you put in half as much effort trying to understand what others are saying as you do looking for secret Nazi codes you'd save me a lot of effort.
And to be clear: it's also not "David Duke is responding directly to hours of entertainment." (but it's only one hour after he saw it! checkmate!) It's "David Duke is responding to a brewing Twitterstorm and is now entertained by the rubes that bought into it."
Again: the fact that Nazis are taking credit is not evidence that it's a post by a cryptofascist, it's evidence Twitter nazis love watching and contributing to shitstorms.
The US didn't put German Americans in camps because Germans are the single largest ethnic group in the country.
No it is not, it is obvious and for everybody to see. The chances of it being coincidence are lower than the chances it is intention.
Including some number stuff may put it close to 23 theories, but we actually know Neonazis use this code, that is not a theory. But even without the numbers they "rhyme" their claim on a Neonazi claim.
So:
1. Neonazis use this "code"
2. Is it really that strange there is one or more Neonazi(s) working at DHS???
3. Nothing indicates there is a full blown conspiracy to take over the DHS and then the US.
This seems a bit of a reach, however at the same time the US did take in a lot of Nazis after the war.
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No. No it's not. The pizza place was cosmic ping pong.
That's their fucking logo circled.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pizzagate-conspiracy/
Seriously, what the fuck did you just try to pull?
I don't give a shit what some other guy posted, you quoted me. The words I say mean what I said.
And any other administration.
Had they accidentally sent out blatant nazi symbolism, and it started getting picked up by Nazis, and making the rounds and being pointed out.....
What do you think they would have done by now?
Yeah.
It might be obvious to those looking at it with confirmation bias.
It wouldn't be some decrepit dude who shook Himmler's hand or some shit. It'd just be a neo-Nazi who took advantage of Trump gutting Obama positions in the DHS to help "Make America Safe Again." There's opportunity, motive, and a clear means by which this could happen.
The word you are looking for is working knowledge, not confirmation bias.
But yeah, years of facts and materials of this shit in active use are fake news. Got it.
You must know, we see through your lame attempt to hide your real username "8859"
That's really reaching. I mean, the number matches for the headline, but starting a sentence with "we must secure" is not too strange for a group called "Homeland Security" and of course it is possible they deliberately tried to reach 14 words, but there is no way of knowing one way or another. There are so many reasons to be upset with the US government right now, do we really need to construct conspiracies?
Oh, we've been explaining. People are oddly resistant to the possibility even when we have tweets of actual Nazis doing the happy dance. I don't get why it's so crazy.
"Let the enemy's own spy sow discord in the enemy camp"
What I'm seeing is that people are fighting amongst themselves. People that are literally on the same side regardless if this is a conspiracy or not.
I mean, why does it even matters?
Infamous white supremacists are tweeting about it? May be they know they will cause this kind of infighting, and that's why they're doing it.
Nazi are sending each other signals from within the DHS? Oh big fucking surprise of the century! I mean, it's not like they aren't already empowered by the god damn POTUS being one of them.
So what's the point of all this bickering? Does it matter whether this is a conspiracy or not? We know there are Nazi, this is just additional confirmation if it is true. It's not like we can get them out until the one at the top recognise that having Nazi in the administration is bad. Why are we arguing again?
Can we just stay civil over this? If it interests you to discuss whether this is real or not, do discuss but just stay civil. There is no need to call each other names, or accuse others for supporting white supremacists because they deny this as conspiracy. Most of us are on the same side, just of differing opinion about the validness or importance of this revelation.
What I'm seeing is that people are fighting amongst themselves. People that are literally on the same side regardless if this is a conspiracy or not.
I mean, why does it even matters?
Infamous white supremacists are tweeting about it? May be they know they will cause this kind of infighting, and that's why they're doing it.
Nazi are sending each other signals from within the DHS? Oh big fucking surprise of the century! I mean, it's not like they aren't already empowered by the god damn POTUS being one of them.
So what's the point of all this bickering? Does it matter whether this is a conspiracy or not? We know there are Nazi, this is just additional confirmation if it is true. It's not like we can get them out until the one at the top recognise that having Nazi in the administration is bad. Why are we arguing again?
Can we just stay civil over this? If it interests you to discuss whether this is real or not, do discuss but just stay civil. There is no need to call each other names, or accuse others for supporting white supremacists because they deny this as conspiracy. Most of us are on the same side, just of differing opinion about the validness or importance of this revelation.
don't know, what to think about it.
But to be honest, I don't need this story as confirmation/proof, that the WH/current administration is full of racists/etc. Enough things happened/were said in the last months/years. They know their base and they are getting their message out.
But to be honest, I don't need this story as confirmation/proof, that the WH/current administration is full of racists/etc. Enough things happened/were said in the last months/years. They know their base and they are getting their message out.
"YEP BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME, BOTH ARE THROWING KIDS IN PRISON AND TARGETING HUMAN RIGHTS. BOTH SIDES I AM SO FUCKING SMART LOOK AT ME."
Embarrassing. Who gives a fuck whether you think a social media post is real or not. You sound like fucking morons playing the both sides game.
Worthless. Make a fucking stand for once in your life. It isn't hard. And it is painfully obvious as to what is right and what is wrong. You don't need coddled or for someone to draw you a picture.
Embarrassing. Who gives a fuck whether you think a social media post is real or not. You sound like fucking morons playing the both sides game.
Worthless. Make a fucking stand for once in your life. It isn't hard. And it is painfully obvious as to what is right and what is wrong. You don't need coddled or for someone to draw you a picture.
Some people in this thread really should watch this video.
For those claiming "It's conspiracy nonsense"
You are not dealing with rational people, you are dealing with "the world is run by a Jewish conspiracy" people and this is how they operate.
No offence to anyone in this topic and these days I'm not really weighing in on much American politics, as its pretty depressing, but this topic is reading like Republicans going on a conspiracy theory rant.
As I said no offence to anyone seeing what they see, but I really didn't expect this on Era. Simply seems like your standard build the wall security nonsense that has been part of the Trump administration from the start.
The human mind likes to look for patterns and draw conclusions, but cmon everyone there can be points where the simplest explanation is the real one and conspiracy theories do not help mental health or population stability. Social media or Twitter can be absolute garbage for spreading them. People just blindly retweeting things and believing everything that has more than 1,000 retweets.
I'll tell you what this is reminding me of, when on NeoGAF we had a huge topic about how Bungie was full of white supremacists because of a logo on armour. Turned out to be nothing to do with it. Even after it was confirmed how the armour came about due to an investigation, we still had posters saying Bungie was lying and other conspiracy theories. I know your Government is nothing like Bungie, but this is homeland security as a whole institution and skimming some posts in this topic and you have many utterly convinced without any seeming ability to step back and really think about this.
As I said no offence to anyone seeing what they see, but I really didn't expect this on Era. Simply seems like your standard build the wall security nonsense that has been part of the Trump administration from the start.
The human mind likes to look for patterns and draw conclusions, but cmon everyone there can be points where the simplest explanation is the real one and conspiracy theories do not help mental health or population stability. Social media or Twitter can be absolute garbage for spreading them. People just blindly retweeting things and believing everything that has more than 1,000 retweets.
I'll tell you what this is reminding me of, when on NeoGAF we had a huge topic about how Bungie was full of white supremacists because of a logo on armour. Turned out to be nothing to do with it. Even after it was confirmed how the armour came about due to an investigation, we still had posters saying Bungie was lying and other conspiracy theories. I know your Government is nothing like Bungie, but this is homeland security as a whole institution and skimming some posts in this topic and you have many utterly convinced without any seeming ability to step back and really think about this.
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that's basically what I came here to say... this whole thing is straight out of the right-wing playbook. The references and dog whistles are intentional... either of out ideology or to troll... or both. Obviously everybody starts talking about it, but in the end the makers of the document will be on top. They got the message out to right wing people and at the same time they can laugh about the left for seeing "conspiracies" everywhere.
The (more or less) non-political people of the country who have limited knowledge of these things and who refuse to see how bad it already is, will tend to believe the left is exaggerating.
Two different things: https://immigration.findlaw.com/asy...cations-vs-defensive-asylum-applications.html
Defensive asylum versus affirmative asylum. But the odd thing is the first part of the bullet point is referencing FY 17 numbers but apparently the second part is referencing FY 15 2nd quarter numbers instead of FY 17 numbers like the first part. Not sure why they would do that.
Leaning towards "Yup, this was probably intentional" but it'd be best not to dwell on it. The more time we spend talking about a likely white supremacist dogwhistle, the less time we spend talking about their racist policies and overtly hateful comments. Looking for nazis in the shadows while someone endorsed by the KKK sits at the White House is like bailing water of a sinking ship without fixing the hole first.
I didn't even know that cunt Logan Paul has a brother. I'm sure there is a high chance he's a prick too, but what is going on with conspiracy theories on this forum?
Seeing Nazi salutes everywhere and thinking there is secret code embedded anywhere one can draw parallels simply because of numbers. Honestly people, take a deep breathe some mornings and accept there is a lot of shit out there going on but your own mind has to be nurtured as well and it's not a good idea to do that with conspiracies. Some tangents in this topic are like Reddit places like The_Donald claiming they've cracked the code and Hillary Clinton is really some paedo ring leader.
Stick to facts, evidence and reason if the logic is airtight. The OP is not airtight nor is it good evidence to put forward Twitter retweets and discussion. Twitter is often full of absolute unfiltered nonsense. As I said people often mass retweeting things with zero checking or using their brains.
Not only is the website from February but talking about a secure border is like politics 101 from prior American Governments and even flipping Governments in Europe. Left Governments as well as right. Honestly, reading this topic just makes an outsider to America feel depressed. Far worse problems to face and a huge diversion given to conspiracies, just like the right-wing in America. Yet I expect most of this topic will be left-wing.
No I'm not doing "both sides", but I am suggesting some of you might be digging your own rabbit holes. I expect a "This thread appears to be based on a misleading premise." eventually, but I guess the mods will have to hash it out behind the scenes if they believe this is a credible path of conversation.
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"Make America Safe Again" is all anyone needs to see the intent here. If it were such a good thing then why the shitty rhetoric?
this is the right idea
this is the right idea
smfh @ people being so dismissive when it's pretty fucking clear to NAZIs. That's the entire point of it being a dogwhistle. And there are too many coincidences for it not to be intentional, which is not surprising nor not scary coming from this DHS. This is America.
...did highlighting this government statement just made the situation worst?
...you really are not a student of history, are you?
You motherfuckers are crazy.
This is like watching those "Look at all the Illuminati imagery in these popular music videos!" on youtube.
GO outside and get some air or something, you're fucking losing your minds
This is like watching those "Look at all the Illuminati imagery in these popular music videos!" on youtube.
GO outside and get some air or something, you're fucking losing your minds
This statement just encourages paranoia. The left will nitpick at everything and people will tune them out as conspiracy nuts or being outraged over everything. It's literally playing into their bait.
in case there's any uber rational logic spock good sirs still in this thread convinced that a post describing fascist DHS policy "just happened to" start with "We must secure" as though that turn of phrase is innocuous and unloaded,
You are aware that Google tweaks your search results to reflect your browsing history, right?
Not true is this case.
To clarify, the 14 words are "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
Simply put, this is not a coincidence. Also simply put, these are purely distractions and affirmation of what's is integrally happening in America right now.