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Tempy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,333
This is so monumentally stupid and self-damaging, that I can't even think a single Republican would vote for it unless bribed.
 

bionic77

Member
Oct 25, 2017
30,895
Who do those Brits think they are claiming to be the dumbest country in the world after Brexit?

This will show them!
 

Stinkles

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
20,459
He suggested the EU might be "our greatest enemy" - at this point he's literally obeying Putin. Whatever the kompromat is, it's a doozy.
 

Kraken3dfx

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,951
Denver, CO
So literally every connection to every organization the U.S. has built ties to in the last century are bad.

If my eyes could roll back any further they would literally snap off of the optic nerve, which would mean, I wouldn't have to read anymore horrifying stories about Trumpzilla's reign of orange terror.

So maybe not the worst thing.
 

Gwenpoolshark

Member
Jan 5, 2018
4,109
The Pool
So literally every connection to every organization the U.S. has built ties to in the last century are bad.

If my eyes could roll back any further they would literally snap off of the optic nerve, which would mean, I wouldn't have to read anymore horrifying stories about Trumpzilla's reign of orange terror.

So maybe not the worst thing.

Maybe Trump actually is an accelerationist like some of his dumbest voters.
 

poklane

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,948
the Netherlands
Axios has obtained a leaked draft of a Trump administration bill, ordered by Trump himself https://www.axios.com/trump-trade-w...tes-d51278d2-0516-4def-a4d3-ed676f4e0f83.html
Why it matters: The draft legislation is stunning. The bill essentially provides Trump a license to raise U.S. tariffs at will, without congressional consent and international rules be damned.

The details: The bill, titled the "United States Fair and Reciprocal Tariff Act," would give Trump unilateral power to ignore the two most basic principles of the WTO and negotiate one-on-one with any country:

  1. The "Most Favored Nation" (MFN) principle that countries can't set different tariff rates for different countries outside of free trade agreements;
  2. "Bound tariff rates" — the tariff ceilings that each WTO country has already agreed to in previous negotiations.
"It would be the equivalent of walking away from the WTO and our commitments there without us actually notifying our withdrawal," said a source familiar with the bill.

  • "The good news is Congress would never give this authority to the president," the source added, describing the bill as "insane."
  • "It's not implementable at the border," given it would create potentially tens of thousands of new tariff rates on products. "And it would completely remove us from the set of global trade rules."
Link includes all 5 pages of the draft
 

Mivey

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,828
And it blow my mind that he keeps treating everything as if the US is some kind of victim. A small country that gets taken advantage of as if the US hasn't been an economic powerhouse for decades.
Forget powerhouse, all those organizations have pretty much been created by the US and could considered the very fabric of Western liberal order. The idea that it's the US of all countries that wants to unravel it is just patently absurd - and yet that's exactly what this administration stands for.
 

Kernel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,899
Forget powerhouse, all those organizations have pretty much been created by the US and could considered the very fabric of Western liberal order. The idea that it's the US of all countries that wants to unravel it is just patently absurd - and yet that's exactly what this administration stands for.

It's what Putin wants.

Bring the West down to Russia's level and enable the kind of mafia government they have.
 

Parch

Member
Nov 6, 2017
7,980
Trump wants the US to be like North Korea. Same isolation. Same human rights. A country that worships their supreme leader.
 

Shoeless

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,000
So... with all three branches of government currently living in fear and obeisance to Trump, this is actually going to happen, isn't it? You guys are going back to a self-sufficient economy where everything is made in America and sold to Americans, while the rest of the world deals with each other. Except for real estate, which I suspect, for some bizarre reason, is going to be completely untouched and able to act freely with the rest of the global market, so that, say, 75% of New York properties are owned by Russians.
 

jelly

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
33,841
There must be a back channel getting orders from Putin set up at this point, I mean come on.
 

AegonSnake

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,566
This has Putin's hands all over it.

Just like the NATO stuff, the trade wars with europe and all the chaos surrounding pulling out the troops.

No real american would do this. no one except for the guy being black mailed by Putin. how republicans dont see this is beyond me. this guy is so obviously compromised.
 

BrassDragon

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,154
The Netherlands
Is this some anti-(((globalism))) nonsense?

This is not just the US fucking itself over; the withdrawal of a major power could cause other nations to step back as well as trade walls go up all over the place and worldwide prosperity trends down.
 

mreddie

Member
Oct 26, 2017
44,190
Is this some anti-(((globalism))) nonsense?

This is not just the US fucking itself over; the withdrawal of a major power could cause other nations to step back as well as trade walls go up all over the place and worldwide prosperity trends down.

And take one guess who will likely profit from that.
 

Heri

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,427
This has Putin's hands all over it.

Just like the NATO stuff, the trade wars with europe and all the chaos surrounding pulling out the troops.

No real american would do this. no one except for the guy being black mailed by Putin. how republicans dont see this is beyond me. this guy is so obviously compromised.

They know it, but they do not care because it's party over country, that's why they tried to stop Mueller's investigation.
 

Mass Effect

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 31, 2017
16,810
So literally every connection to every organization the U.S. has built ties to in the last century are bad.

Look at the bright side - Trump's presidency is the beginning of a world not built on US dependence.

Hopefully it means instead of the US dominating the world stage politically and economically, there will be more equality.
 

Dullahan

Always bets on black
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,410
It's kind of funny how Trump's every tentative moves always would sink the USA's standing as a world power, or would undermine other world powers. It's almost like Putin is controlling him.

Yet there is no collusion! NO COLLUSION!
 

Beartruck

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,939
Sounds like a challenge to me...
This is something they'd push back on, as the economy is the only thing keeping Trump's approval so high. He does this, it starts a 2nd great depression and he easily drops 10%, which is bad enough to cost them their jobs and Self preservation comes first for them.
 

Shoeless

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,000
No, congress needed. It's a fantasy pipe dream. All the GOP cares about is money and staying in power. This fucks both those up, as it would instantly tank the economy.

Maybe congress is racist enough that money is not as important as putting colored people in their place now? If the military is willing to chuck aside decades of rivalry with Russia in the name of racism, then maybe the ones signing checks to politicians are too?
 

Beartruck

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,939
Maybe congress is racist enough that money is not as important as putting colored people in their place now? If the military is willing to chuck aside decades of rivalry with Russia in the name of racism, then maybe the ones signing checks to politicians are too?
These are congressional republicans, not they voters they dogwhistle for. Their #1 priority legislation was a tax cut. They pull out of the international trade order and every corporation that bankrolls them will cut them off. McConnell wouldn't do it. He's evil, not stupid.
 

Lyon N. Laap

Member
Oct 27, 2017
364
How clear can Trump make it that he actually hates America?

Like seriously, he is single handedly trying to destroy the very institutions it helped build to ensure that its style of government and economic systems would be dominant on a global stage.
 

Afrikan

Member
Oct 28, 2017
17,015
This timeline is like when someone starts up a Simulator game again, after playing serious and losing, then just saying fuck it and making all the wrong/crazy decisions to see how you can fuck up the game to just see what happens.
 

Ether_Snake

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
11,306
So how is Trump figuring out what is bad for the US? Who is telling him? Is it just as simple as "it's not just the US that's running the thing, so it's a bad thing"? Or is there someone specifically trying to get him to take those decisions?
 

Calabi

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,490
And take one guess who will likely profit from that.

No one?

Like literally all the corporations want globalisation, and free open trade borders. I doubt, even Trump's business's or Russia would profit from this.

I'd love to know who and how someone profits from this. Maybe Hedge Funds betting on this outcome, but thats about it.
 

Strike

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,367
Will Fox News, his base, and his party follow him over the edge like lemmings if he does?