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What tendency/ideology do you best align with?

  • Anarchism

    Votes: 125 12.0%
  • Marxism

    Votes: 86 8.2%
  • Marxism-Leninism

    Votes: 79 7.6%
  • Left Communism

    Votes: 19 1.8%
  • Democratic Socialism

    Votes: 423 40.6%
  • Social Democracy

    Votes: 238 22.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 73 7.0%

  • Total voters
    1,043

Deffers

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Why corn in particular, and not, yunno, wheat? Here in Capitalist Hellscape it's because of corn syrup. I don't think the Soviet Union had that kinda problem.
 
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Why corn in particular, and not, yunno, wheat? Here in Capitalist Hellscape it's because of corn syrup. I don't think the Soviet Union had that kinda problem.

Wheat is so bourgeois. Look at Wheaties - the "breakfast of champions"? Just capitalist marketing propaganda to make you think eating a bunch of sugar is a good breakfast. Wheaties gave us Ronald Reagan. Down with wheat. Uphold Marxism-Leninism-Cornism.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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me: why should i vote for bloomberg. he's a racist 78 year old billionaire mega capitalist whose idea of 'school reform' is 'well who needs public schools when you have all these charter schools, am i right guys', turned the nypd into his own personal cia to spy on innocent muslim citizens, and says trickle down economics is 100% real and 100% not a cover for 'liquidate the poor'.

liberals: any dem that can beat trump will do

me: how is he any different from the gop. please help me understand.

liberals:

liberals: you fucking trump supporter you goddamn bernie bro SO YOU LIKE CHILDREN TRAPPED IN CAGES HUH I BET YOU'RE NOT EVEN REALLY A GIRL-

i'm tired comrades. i don't want 2020 to ever come.

I mean, this is the constant struggle, right? The balance between settling for what's realistic and working toward what you actually want from society.

In the US specifically (though Sweden, where I live is faced with the same question in the coming elections) it realistically only makes sense to vote for the Democratic Party because that is literally the only platform socialists have to work with. When the democrats are in power, they need to be critiqued and pushed as far left as possible, but as long as Republicans are in charge that avenue is not even in the realm of possibility. The Overton window is being shifted further and further right (though some would argue that it is also expanding in general, seeing as how more people express socialist ideas online now that a few years back, from my anecdotal experience.)
 

SegFault

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cornist third worldism

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sorry i misinterpreted what you meant.

I honestly don't know. What i do know is that tanking is never the answer.


I was being sarcastic

Ya'll should've read r/shittankiessay when it was public

wild ass shit that made me mad embarrassed to even think about being socialist

straight up some of those post were probably made by genuine sociopaths or that there brain is so hardwired to hero worship

Jesus
 

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Happy with Alexandria and hope she knows to still work on ground movements.

The others can throw money around but not organise people. That should prove to be a great benefit long term.

Edit: I mean just hearing her talk man gives me a poli-boner. She knows how to present herself, inspirational.
 
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I know I've said that they're functionally the same thing but I do think it's kind of funny that no one in the US even tried to use the social democrat label. I guess it sort of makes sense, Americans at least have sort of an idea of socialism but adding the word democratic helps allay Cold War fears and our lack of even an CCF/NDP style social democratic party means the term is probably pretty confusing when people can just say liberal instead.
 
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Ironically, the GOP's overuse of the word socialism completely neutralized it since people generally liked Obama and thought "Well if they call that socialism that's not too bad, also I need roads and firefighters", then Bernie came down from the mountain preaching the Nordic Welfare gospel.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Perhaps because I don't view socdems and demsocs as really meaningfully distinct terms (I mean, Tony Blair called himself a socialist) I get sort of annoyed when people get really pedantic about "wow americans are so dumb they don't know the difference" and I don't think that without social democrats there would be any sort of palatable answer to markets as a political question in the 21st century right now.

I think there's also something to how the current crop of demsocs/socdems have proposals that meaningfully challenge the neoliberal assertion that markets need to be protected from politics that makes them meaningfully distinct from liberals. But I'm probably just a big squish myself.
 
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She's pretty much giving the standard socdem description as demsoc whenever someone asks her what "socialism" means. Hopefully one day she leans into actually talking about, you know, the means of production.
 

Deleted member 721

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Im thinking about the dem socialists of US, maybe Its better to make the group stronger for now only, the political debate there Its too much to the right you don't have a big political left there, and add to this the Red scare, to develop a big soc dem group thats not anti communist would be a big step already in US.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Brooklyn, NY


Here is the new definition of Democratic-Socialist, the Queen has spoken!

Joking aside, I really like her but Colbert said something true the seat is just a possibility lets see how the other side uses the socialist bogeyman and if the the scare tactics work.


It's an overwhelmingly Democratic district, and Crowley isn't pulling a Lieberman. There's effectively no "other side" to worry about for November.
 

Shy

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Oct 25, 2017
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This world is beyond saving.

I know it's a pipe dream, but we really need to just leave this planet and start again somewhere else.
 
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That won't get rid of the fascist, racist cunts though.

It's still here, we're living in it right now. It's didn't go away at all.

There's always going to be someone out there who hates people on the basis of them being "the other". I don't think it's possible to stop that. What's important is stopping systems that breed and enforce that kind of mentality.
 

Shy

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's always going to be someone out there who hates people on the basis of them being "the other". I don't think it's possible to stop that. What's important is stopping systems that breed and enforce that kind of mentality.
No no. I get that shit won't ever go away. But as i've been saying that we as a community have done nothing to address the problem, and have even reinforced it.
 
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No no. I get that shit won't ever go away. But as i've been saying that we as a community have done nothing to address the problem, and have even reinforced it.

Despite the liberal order collapsing into fascism going on, I'd say this is the first time in my life time that I've seen really positive movement on the left. I think the end of the Cold War sent socialists into a three decade wandering in the wilderness but we're finally emerging from it and, for the most part, have a better understanding of what works and what doesn't, as well as decades more experience with grappling with the intersections of straight capitalist oppression, racial oppression, sexist oppression etc. We had to work through getting everyone on board with all of this, working out the theories, and so forth and that's a never ending process but we're in a more advanced place in terms of theory and understanding now because of that. Now it's time to put it into praxis (not that it wasn't before) and the resurgence of the left in Britain and the emergence for the first time since the 60s in any sort of socialist movement in the US gives me hope that if we can push through this current malignant period we can see real progress made.

At the same time, capitalism will only continue to implode due to its structural problems, so things will definitely get worse before they get better. But socialism can't come bakit without capitalism tearing itself apart so that's a given.
 

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well looking at south america most countries were dictatorships until the 80's,

if you look at brazil history is

(1500)portugal colony - (1822) brazil monarchy - (1889) old republic (oligarchy, fake democracy) - (1930) dictatorship (1945) republic - (1964) dictatorship - (1985~) new republic.

even if our republic today is very problematic with a white coup, its better than most of our history, we dont have more commies being persecuted and tortured. Its only 30 years that communists could start to make politics again without being killed, so thats a progress.
 

hapankorppu

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What world needs is nationalised meeting of basic needs and socialised distribution of other resources.
Farming would be nationalised. Farmers get to keep their farms and forests and state makes sure they have resources for their work. Distribution of new resources will be decided between farmers with state as negotiator. there would be state run factories that produce basic need items.
Nationalised basic education and for positions in nationalised work. also nationalised universities.
Nationalised healthcare.
Consumerism continues as long as it can sustain itself.
Most important part is better access to resources for everyone.
 

House_Of_Lightning

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What world needs is nationalised meeting of basic needs and socialised distribution of other resources.
Farming would be nationalised. Farmers get to keep their farms and forests and state makes sure they have resources for their work. Distribution of new resources will be decided between farmers with state as negotiator. there would be state run factories that produce basic need items.
Nationalised basic education and for positions in nationalised work. also nationalised universities.
Nationalised healthcare.
Consumerism continues as long as it can sustain itself.
Most important part is better access to resources for everyone.


Stalinism. Ew.