mOE_TV: "I am going to stop using "f**got" because it might hurt my income" (UP1: 30d ban on Twitch)

Brawly Likes to Brawl · Jun 30, 2018

"That last sentence was a joke, but I am serious about begrudgingly not using this slur because I can get punished for it"

jon bones said:
i really need to make sure my kids dont get into dumb shit like watching streamers

OldSocksAndShoes said:
Does he think people should feel sorry for him because he can't broadcast hate speech because it might hurt his bottom line? He seems like a fucking idiot who is completely disconnected from reality.

There are plenty of streamers who aren't hateful human garbage. I've never even heard of this guy before.

Somebody should start looking into the potential for a curated streaming platform that's targeted toward kids.

GrimJawz · Jun 30, 2018

Well it looks like he understand why he shouldn't say it but just doesn't really care. I don't see the point in getting upset over someone who knows there a jerk its kind of self-defeating. On the other hand drawing attention to it by making a big post basically saying "fuck you I'm not stopping because you told me to, I just don't wanna loose money" is childish and egotistical as hell, I would almost call it pathetic.

Deleted member 11976 · Jun 30, 2018

Moe is and has always been trash. Don't let this guy fool you. He's probably only doing this to grow his following with people who think tossing that word around is OK.

Devil · Jun 30, 2018

I don't know the guy or how old he is, also that last part is terrible. But I can somehow relate to the "I grew up with it" part. As a teenager I used similar words in my own language when I was among friends without even remotely understanding how harmful my words could be. I had to grow up, reflect and actively stop myself from using the word to overcome that habit. Same for terms like "retarded", I still have friends who use it as a slur while I was luckily able to stop that behaviour very early.

Nevertheless, his excuse is still bad. Because it doesn't sound as if he realizes that it doesn't matter too much if he doesn't intend to harm anybody. He thinks it's enough to just tell people it's not meant like that. He should have added that he realized his mistake and not just stop it because he is afraid of getting banned...

Deleted member 1726 · Jun 30, 2018

It took me a while I was wondering why the word forgot would get him banned!

DOT_mjo · Jun 30, 2018

We really need to create a thread of reliable Twitch streamers in which we can enjoy and ensure they won't drop a n-word, f-word, or any other slur.

Dynamite Cop · Jun 30, 2018

People grow up with shitty things. Choosing to carry on those shitty things is a problem.

Rolodzeo · Jun 30, 2018

Toumari said:

BernardoOne · Jun 30, 2018

MosquitoSmasher said:
Wait I don't get it. Isn't Boogie good people? What exactly did he do?

No, he isn't. He's a piece of shit. Even worse than the guy in the OP. Boogie literally thinks saying "fag" is ok because "it's a meme"

Nimby · Jun 30, 2018

Another tweet

Popetita · Jun 30, 2018

What a croc of shit! Ignorance does not excuse his behavior. I hope he gets banned.

Mobyduck · Jun 30, 2018

Nimby said:
Another tweet

Probably too dense to understand that people are upset at his reasoning. It's obvious he still think the word is benign and should be allowed, but since it isn't, he will stop saying it.

Dark Knight · Jun 30, 2018

People who are unable to learn and have no perspective shouldn't be rambling on twitter lol. Though that's like 80% of twitter.

Nokterian · Jun 30, 2018

Nimby said:
Another tweet

Did the proper reply.

brainchild · Jun 30, 2018

Even as a queer person, a lot of the reactions to this guy's tweets strike me as incredibly naive.

We're not going to get most bigots to actually care about us. If they're no longer overtly racist/sexist/homophobic, it's because they want to avoid the negative consequences in being so, not because their sense of morality has changed. This guy is a little more transparent about it than others, but make no mistake that many people still think like him, even some who claim to be our 'allies'.

As long as this curtails their harmful actions in the future, I'm not gonna waste my energy getting upset about something the majority of people already do anyway.

cosmicblizzard · Jun 30, 2018

saenima said:
Some people are not built to live in society.

Dude's making a nice check playing video games to the point of having direct connections to the industry like Keighly. I'd say he's playing the society game pretty well.

Kuosi · Jun 30, 2018

Do the chaps in the UK still smoke f*gs?

Miller · Jun 30, 2018

brainchild said:
Even as a queer person, [...] I'm not gonna waste my energy getting upset about something the majority of people already do anyway.

That's depressing, and more than a little defeatist.

saenima · Jun 30, 2018

cosmicblizzard said:
Dude's making a nice check playing video games to the point of having direct connections to the industry like Keighly. I'd say he's playing the society game pretty well.

Trump's doing pretty well for himself these days.

quotethis · Jun 30, 2018

saenima said:
Some people are not built to live in society.

I'd argue the majority of society doesn't care about trivial things like this. They all have their own lives and responsibilities. Too much going on in their world to worry about some gamer/streamer feeling he shouldn't use a word that only a small handful of society are offended over.

archreaper93 · Jun 30, 2018

Thoughts.

1. He's gonna stop using the word. That's good. I'm glad.

2. The reason is really shitty. You shouldn't use it because it's offensive, not because of money.

Necromanti · Jun 30, 2018

quotethis said:
I'd argue the majority of society doesn't care about trivial things like this. They all have their own lives and responsibilities. Too much going on in their world to worry about some gamer/streamer feeling he shouldn't use a word that only a small handful of society are offended over.

I think we're all too aware at this point that common decency is lost on society at large.

brainchild · Jun 30, 2018

Miller said:
That's depressing, and more than a little defeatist.

You can label me whatever the fuck you want. As a minority, I've dealt with far worse so I really couldn't give two shits about people calling me defeatist.

I have to choose my battles wisely, lest I go insane. I'm a pragmatist, not an idealist.

Cantaim · Jun 30, 2018

Phew man this guy just shits out empathy I tell ya.

Iva Demilcol · Jun 30, 2018

So he deleted his original tweet?

Heisenberg726 · Jun 30, 2018

BernardoOne said:
No, he isn't. He's a piece of shit. Even worse than the guy in the OP. Boogie literally thinks saying "fag" is ok because "it's a meme"

Ya got a source, my man?

AfterTheFall · Jun 30, 2018

What the heck? That statement.

MatrixMan.exe · Jun 30, 2018

Cunt.

Miller · Jun 30, 2018

brainchild said:
You can label me whatever the fuck you want. As a minority, I've dealt with far worse so I really couldn't give two shits about people calling me defeatist.

I have to choose my battles wisely, lest I go insane. I'm a pragmatist, not an idealist.

I am intimately familiar with the personal decision to choose your battles with regard to similar issues, but that should not extend outward. Projecting that 'pragmatism' onto others and calling them "extremely naive" for the crime of speaking out against homophobia? Come on.

Yeezus · Jun 30, 2018

AkimboChainz said:
As some additional context on this guy he was a pro CS player until he got banned for cheating and was a big part of the CSGO gambling phase. Doesnt seem like a great guy....

Logged in to say something to this effect. I recall seeing some screenshots of him and one of the gambling site owners. Lots of back and forth about timing "big wins" on stream and getting reimbursed under the table later on after losses (these screenshots could have been a fabrication, I have no way of knowing). It's funny because shortly after all that gambling business, they had him as talent and commentating some pro-matches. People didn't seem to pay too much attention to him then, we'll see what people think now.

The CSGO e-celeb community has been at odds over language use in the past. There was one time Dazed said some not nice stuff and pretty much the entire NA competitive community that plays S rank with him had something to say about his word choice. I think it was finally sgares that said something along the lines of "you have to consider yourself beyond the reach of your twitch audience." Don't see too much of Dazed these days though I don't think really.

NateSnacks · Jun 30, 2018

Steaming shouldn't be a thing yet here we are watching tools play video games.

saenima · Jun 30, 2018

quotethis said:
I'd argue the majority of society doesn't care about trivial things like this. They all have their own lives and responsibilities. Too much going on in their world to worry about some gamer/streamer feeling he shouldn't use a word that only a small handful of society are offended over.

It's trivial depending on who you are. Hate speech is harmful to its victims. But from the privilege oozing out of your post, i understand it doesn't affect you. And because of positions like yours, bigotry carries on.

Kage Maru · Jun 30, 2018

What a piece of shit. How do these people find any level of success instead of being shamed to hell.

s3ltz3r · Jun 30, 2018

What a douche. Looks like he had a poor upbringing.

PSqueak · Jun 30, 2018

"Because it might hurt my income"

How can anybody be this much of an idiot? You have a golden opportunity to generate good PR, but no, double down on the homophobia.

Nightbird · Jun 30, 2018

Toumari said:
In his follow-up tweet he said that part was added as a joke:

I hate when people try to justify their Bullshit with "lol Internet".

Just because it's commonplace on the internet doesn't make it acceptable.

rulerk1 · Jun 30, 2018

Toumari said:
In his follow-up tweet he said that part was added as a joke:

im so glad the commets are calling him out for that post

tuxfool · Jun 30, 2018

bonesawisready5 said:
The " I don't mean it like that" argument is always so bad.

He is a fucking asshole, but it's cool, I didn't mean it like that.

BobLablow · Jun 30, 2018

Toumari said:
In his follow-up tweet he said that part was added as a joke:

"Gosh, stop being so sensitive. You just weren't built to survive the tough internet!"

Or you're just a privileged motherfucker who has no idea what the real world is.

Fuck this dude.

Deleted member 176 · Jun 30, 2018

Toumari said:
In his follow-up tweet he said that part was added as a joke:

This is somehow worse

brainchild · Jun 30, 2018

Miller said:
I am intimately familiar with the personal decision to choose your battles with regard to similar issues, but that should not extend outward. Projecting that 'pragmatism' onto others and calling them "extremely naive" for the crime of speaking out against homophobia? Come on.

Actually, no, I was responding to the claim of me be defeatist when I brought up pragmatism.

The naivete is a different issue altogether. It's this idea that this guy is some exception compared to most people who have denounced hateful/bigoted rhetoric, as if they've had some come to Jesus moment when really it's simply a matter of learning to avoid negative consequences. If you think most of our society has become more tolerant because people actually care about us and not because of the consequences of being intolerant, then you are naive.

Having said that, I'm not against people calling him out, I'm just saying that it's not worth my personal time and energy if in the end, his actions are going to change.

OrdinaryPrime · Jun 30, 2018

EAGames said:
Most streamers don't use it for the same reasons. Some people don't say it because they just don't use the word period, but others use it privately amongst friends and don't use it on stream because they don't want their channels banned. He even said that he never meant anything ill by it in the tweet and that its a word he grew up with. Anyway, unlike some, I'm not gonna magically pretend like I've never used it either. It just depends on the people you're around and what you all mean by it IMO. Context is important here. I'm black and I have white friends that have used the n-word around me for example, but it's okay with me because contextually I understand it's not meant to offend. So like I said, context is key here and we should be looking for that in tweets and uses of words.

What you accept using the n word is your business. As a white person I'm not going to tell you what should or should not offend you about that word.

I went to high school from 1996-2000 at an old boy's high school in Boston. All people did was call each other fags. It was awful. You can also see this in the media at the time (that has since moved on to using words like pussy in the same context).

If we're talking about context, I'm pretty sure this isn't among friends if it's on a stream or something.

Bhonar · Jun 30, 2018

brainchild said:
You can label me whatever the fuck you want. As a minority, I've dealt with far worse so I really couldn't give two shits about people calling me defeatist.

I have to choose my battles wisely, lest I go insane. I'm a pragmatist, not an idealist.

Why do you reply with such a mad/aggressive tone?

I'm not the one you replied to, but it's clear to me the other poster is someone who's against racism or bigotry. Don't know why you'd get mad at people like that, lol

DigitalOp · Jun 30, 2018

Gaming is full of the shittiest people

Falconbox · Jun 30, 2018

Kenzodielocke said:
Offsite shit should lead to bans, too.

That's a road I'd rather not see platforms go down. The slipperiest of slopes.

Speely · Jun 30, 2018

Fucking hell. Every day I discover another "internet personality" that I loathe. It makes me want to stop looking, but I guess being disgusted is better than being ignorant. This read like a *wink* to other bigots that the ole leftist agenda was shutting down his free speech. These fucking white guys on the internet use every opportunity to try to make it about their precious snowflake privilege.

brainchild said:
Having said that, I'm not against people calling him out, I'm just saying that it's not worth my personal time and energy if in the end, his actions aren't going to change.

Calling attention to this typo because it potentially changes what you were trying to say, buddy!

EDIT: I can't read.

potatohead · Jun 30, 2018

This is partly the audience fault not just in gaming but in the popularity contests of the world in general.

People as the audience reward manic people who are uninhibited because they are exciting. That's just what happens. They are actors and politicians and other things and now YT or other personalities too.

Then some of them are dicks and tbh people should not be surprised. Lots of normal non-celebrity folk are dicks too.

I think he should definitely be criticized but audiences in general around the world should stop placing so much emphasis on celebrity and personalities on their favourite black rectangle eye feeding system.

Miller · Jun 30, 2018

Speely said:
Fucking hell. Every day I discover another "internet personality" that I loathe. It makes me want to stop looking, but I guess being disgusted is better than being ignorant. This read like a *wink* to other bigots that the ole leftist agenda was shutting down his free speech. These fucking white guys on the internet use every opportunity to try to make it about their precious snowflake privilege.

Calling attention to this typo because it seriously changes what you were trying to say, buddy!

That's not a typo. He's saying that it's not worth an argument if the guy is going to stop because that's the most you can expect.

Deleted member 12790 · Jun 30, 2018

Heisenberg726 said:
Ya got a source, my man?

Boogie's post on neogaf (don't think I'm allowed to link to the site)

When I speak here at neogaf I'll use this lingo. I'll communicate using the same language and memes as you do. When I post on reddit I'll do the same. When I post on 4chan I'll do the same. The term "Conspiracyfag" means something terrible to you here and I accept that. On 4chan it only means "A member of this forum that is good at figuring out hidden agendas" and nothing more. To imply otherwise is lunacy to me, but then again I understand the forum. If you don't post there I don't expect anyone to get it, and that's fine. I choose my words carefully and I'm glad to defend it when necessary. It should be obvious to anyone that I'd sooner cut out my own tongue than use that word against another human being as an actual slur.

This strikes me as a flimsy excuse. It's obvious you weren't attacking anyone but that doesn't change the fact that, regardless of context, culture, or anything, the word is still a slur. It reminds me of grade school when everyone would say "that's gay" as a way of saying "that's dumb". We were too young and stupid to truly mean anything nasty by it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't contributing to a culture of hate. Don't claim you're an advocate of tolerance and then make exceptions, Boogie.

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If that word is a slur then every person who smokes in england is a monster. Or wait, is that considered fair context? If so why isn't my use of it?

I agree that words use power and I'd never use that word in jest anywhere else, not in a video or on twitter or most likely my personal life.

but if I were in england and I wanted to bum a smoke you'd bet your ass I'd ask for a fag and be entirely without remorse.

cosmicblizzard · Jun 30, 2018

saenima said:
Trump's doing pretty well for himself these days.

I mean... yeah. Trump just got a massive SC win and the Overton window has shifted pretty damn far.

It's undeniable that social media has changed how people interact and this guy is a pretty good representation of the majority. The people on social media and video sites that agree with this guy outnumber those that think it's unacceptable 10 to 1. This is the new reality; the new normal where everything is a joke regardless of how repugnant. They've successfully turned humorous apathy into counter-culture and are getting rewarded for it. If that's not winning in society, I don't know what is. It's not a good thing, it's just the unfortunate reality.

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